FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OXY Oswald]

Why schedule Linfield just to play them twice?  Once in the schedule and once in the first or 2nd round?  As far a loss goes, that is immaterial for the SCIAC as long as you win the conference.  So again,  what is the point?? 

Understandable point... as well as your comment a little further down - (paraphrased) "What's the point even if Oxy beats say a Linfield/Whitworth/Central/etc."

But I think what everyone, namely NWC posters and UR posters are saying here is that there is some value in playing playoff caliber games at some point in your season, prior to the playoffs.  Win or lose, you are right that we won't be leaving the West coast for the first round.  But as a team Oxy will have gained experience in a big game against someone other than perennial rivals Redlands and Cal Lu. 

[OXY Oswald]

Also a thanks to RFB and Pat for the explanation of Chapman's situation, it's been discussed on the board before but that situation has never actually been aired out in this forum.  So I think that explains a lot. 

[DawgFan1]

dawg gone it,

I dont think its fair to say that Oxy posters are bad winners and like Browneagle said, he wasnt being disrespectful at all, not sure where you are getting that from? Lets hold the predictions for next year until the offseason or in the downtime of the summer or at least until this season is over.  As others have said, Oxy has won before without Collins and will win games in the future without him. Saying that without him the run ends, is being disrespectful to the other 70 players on the Oxy team that bust their ass day in and day out.  Who knows what the future may bring, Redlands may land a Collins esque QB next year, wouldnt that be fortunate for your Redlands team......... or would it? 

For what it is worth, Redlands has a good QB in Saras. This season, it wouldn't have mattered if Johnny Unitas was their QB, they still would have had problems. You Oxy guys making the comments only saw the one game between your "beloved" and UR
so you can't comprehend the issues with play calling, dropped passes, missed routes, etc. You think all we have been doing is making excuses.

Saturday some of us in the stands started counting plays. UR ran the ball the first 18-20 plays without a pass...3 and out over and over again. Then they began to pass, it was on 3rd and long again and again. It was discusting. The last drive which tied the game was the only time it changed. Runs and passes were mixed up and UR had success very quickly. However it was short lived.

Oxy has been fortunate with a good coaching staff, and I mean all the coaches and assistants, not just the head guy. When I commented 1-2 weeks ago that I felt sorry for the seniors, this is what I meant. This season, circumstances beyond the control of those offensive players on the field caused more damage to their possible success than the occasional observer (Oxy Fans) could imagine.

[D O.C.]

CRZK....just funnin' and you snagged me.

The farther past the 1st round the better for the entire conference!

Many of us were very disappointed OXY got sent to McMinnville last year....so early.

This season, it wouldn't have mattered if Johnny Unitas was their QB, they still would have had problems.

Yes, because they would have rotated him with Roman Gabriel the first couple games

[CRZK]

From Oxy Oswald:  "...that there is some value in playing playoff caliber games at some point in your season, prior to the playoffs."


Granted and without a doubt.  The only however in this case is:  as good as Linfield was for the past 3 years would it have mattered if we had played a Trinity, et al in the schedule?  

Again, the year Oxy beat Willamette and Concordia we had essential the same schedule as now.  So the arguement can be made that strength of schedule didn't matter.  Also the big thing that helped that year was a strong 2nd place team in Willamette and two bids out of the NWC.

Actually that should be the real discussion point for at least the SCIAC and maybe for the NWC (because next year doesn't the NWC get an automatic bid?).  Anyway what needs to be done is to work for a pool b or c bid for the 2nd place team.  And that goes back to schedule.  Imagine that.  NWC champ hosts SCIAC #2 and SCIAC champ hosts NWC#2.

Wouldn't that burn up the boards??

P.S.  with this I fully intend not to discuss strength of schedule or anything like that until next years schedules come out!!

P.S.S.  That's cool D.O.C.  also appreciate the comment about meeting so early.  Knowning that out of two very strong teams that one would lose far then they probably should have probably caused more heart burn.  BTW; don't suppose there is any chance for a C bid for Linfield?

[DawgFan1]

This season, it wouldn't have mattered if Johnny Unitas was their QB, they still would have had problems.

Yes, because they would have rotated him with Roman Gabriel the first couple games

L.O.L.

[dawg gone it]

Where is he on the depth chart???

[Pat Coleman]

NWC gets automatic bid in '08.

[DawgFan1]

OXY Oswald:

>>But I think what everyone, namely NWC posters and UR posters are saying here is that there is some value in playing playoff caliber games at some point in your season, prior to the playoffs.<<

The continued debate about scheduling and Redlands' never-ending whining about it is a phony issue created by Redlands and perpetuated by them. Since 1999, Redlands has played 11 games against the NWC and is 2-9. Redlands has played two playoff games against NWC teams and is 0-2. Redlands can go on and on about its nonconference schedule, but it hasn't helped them a bit.

OxyBob

..."and OXy has played Hansel & Gretel Pre-School and it has apparently helped them". Is this what you are getting at OB? 

[Rock]

RFB
"I don't feel that Oxy posters have been bad winners. Maybe a little arrogant but that comes with the territory when your team is on top. As a Redlands alum I would be lying if I said I have not acted the same way in the past. I will be rooting for Oxy to go all the way, I don't want them to lose but rather wreck house. Will I be critical of their play? No doubt because they represent the conference. The better they do the more recognition and respect the conference as a whole gets. I know Redlands has never won a playoff game but they have helped push the conference upwards and forward toward that goal. There will be plenty of time to talk smack between schools once the playoffs are complete. So for now Go Oxy."

Thank you, GO SCIAC

rock

[(509)Rat]

Actually, far from your opinion, how about this.  Why schedule Linfield just to play them twice?  Once in the schedule and once in the first or 2nd round?  As far a loss goes, that is immaterial for the SCIAC as long as you win the conference.  So again,  what is the point??  What does either school gain.

How about the one thing Oxy probably won't get again...a single home field game.

In fact, look at the playoffs for the last three years.  Regardless of Oxy's schedule, three years, three NWC teams.  Do you really think that if Oxy (or any SCIAC champ for that matter) went out and beat "Trinity or Whitworth or Central or for that matter Linfield in the non-conference they would have Oxy or the SCIAC champ NOT leave the west coast??  So that is my point.

I don't think anyone is arguing with you about the last several years when you constantly ran into one of the best teams in D3 history.  But scheduling tougher non-conference games definately pertains to this year.  Let's say you schedule Linfield, whitworth, or willamette this season.  And lets say you beat Linfield or Willamette handily, then who do you think plays at home for at least the first round?  Or you beat Whitworth and they go on to win the NWC...then again you are taken more seriously and get at least one home game.  And not having to travel in the first round, building up some momentum at home could lead to a deeper run in the playoffs.

Undoubtedly this is not the BCS, and the playoff system allows any team who makes the playoffs a chance at the national championship...but the playoffs sure can be made easier by winning some tough non-conference games and getting a higher seed.

[DawgFan1]

DawgFan1:

>>Hansel & Gretel Pre-School<<

An appropriate reference, considering that the Bulldogs are having such a Grimm season.

Next, you should read The Fox and the Grapes. The moral of that fable also fits you Redlands fans: "It is easy to despise what you cannot get."

OxyBob

OB...Clever comeback. Please understand, I don't despise Oxy. I have congratulated them more than once. As Rock stated, the better they do in the playoffs, the better the SCIAC looks as a league. It appears the only person on this board who has a chip on their shoulder and despises another school is you with your CONSTANT "hit and run" shots at UR. None of us can understand your reasoning. What happened Bob, did you get refused entrance to UR and had to settle for Oxy instead? So for the rest of your life, UR will be the dream "never achieved"?

[Pat Coleman]

The term hit and run really only applies to people who come from other boards. OxyBob is a SCIAC regular and is not hitting and running the way the NWC folks have been known to in the past.

[Browneagle64]

RFB,

I know that you knocked heads with me in the past regarding Oxy's seasons, but the last post that you pointed out deserves a huge hats off and respect from me. In the long run, if any SCIAC schools comes out on top, its true that we should pull for that team. Just in case you did not know, the last time Redlands played the Johnies (sp???). I was pulling for the Bulldogs. So i understand your position and defently agree that in the future i will be doing the same.

With Regards.

[dawg gone it]

RFB has a lot of class....Browneagle, you seem like a nice ...kid too, pardon the phrase.  You dont throw insults at UR on one hand and expect its followers to support you on the other.  It is easy to support the better team when they are gracious, rather than insulting.