FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[RFB]

Here is a question to consider.... What if Andy Collins comes back for his senior season? (Outside shot but still a possibility)

He goes 3-1 against Redlands and watches the Dawgs win the SCIAC and go to the playoffs.

[scandihoovian]

If Collins comes back for another year I think we all need to call in to question the quality of academic advisement being offered by Occidental, and start rumors that Oxy is trying to generate additional tuition revenue by keeping kids in school much longer than necessary...

[DawgFan1]

You Oxy fans need to make up your minds. One day Collins will be the NFL #1 Draft Pick, the next day you are talking about him playing another year at Oxy...we are getting confused

[Tiger Shark]

You Oxy fans need to make up your minds. One day Collins will be the NFL #1 Draft Pick, the next day you are talking about him playing another year at Oxy...we are getting confused

Of course you are getting confused buddy, you went to Redlands. Do I need to say anymore?

[DawgFan1]

You Oxy fans need to make up your minds. One day Collins will be the NFL #1 Draft Pick, the next day you are talking about him playing another year at Oxy...we are getting confused

Of course you are getting confused buddy, you went to Redlands. Do I need to say anymore?

No Tiger Shark I am not confused. It is the OXY fans who are confused thinking one guy can win the SCIAC for OXY. Case in point, Redlands had a very good QB in Saras. However, the problem with their offense was O'Boyle, who finally left the program. A QB alone cannot make it happen and to pretend he can diminishes the efforts of the other players and the ability of the coaching staff. Unfortunately for Redlands, the coaching "management" didn't address the problem with O'Boyle before the season ended and instead, threw their starting QB in front of the train to "Cover their A_ _ _ _ ".

[Dirty Harry]

Dawgfan1 said

It is the OXY fans who are confused thinking one guy can win the SCIAC for OXY. Case in point, Redlands had a very good QB in Saras. However, the problem with their offense was O'Boyle, who finally left the program. A QB alone cannot make it happen and to pretend he can diminishes the efforts of the other players and the ability of the coaching staff.


How dare you insult OxyCollins by comparing him to a Redlands QB?  Redlands and Oxy are two completely differnt cases.  Notice: Oxy has won 3 sciac's in a row, oxy has an above .500 record over the last 3 years (in fact, it's something crazy like .850), having OxyCollins at Qb is completely different from any Qb redlands has recently had on  their roster (except for maybe that Wabby kid, a source tells me he's the next joe namath ...) You're right, a single player alone can't win every game but in case you haven't noticed, OxyCollins is a superb athlete and Saras, well, isn't.  Having a QB that can do the things OxyCollins can greatly increase the team's chances of winning as we have all found out over the last three seasons.

[DawgFan1]

Dawgfan1 said

It is the OXY fans who are confused thinking one guy can win the SCIAC for OXY. Case in point, Redlands had a very good QB in Saras. However, the problem with their offense was O'Boyle, who finally left the program. A QB alone cannot make it happen and to pretend he can diminishes the efforts of the other players and the ability of the coaching staff.


How dare you insult OxyCollins by comparing him to a Redlands QB?  Redlands and Oxy are two completely differnt cases.  Notice: Oxy has won 3 sciac's in a row, oxy has an above .500 record over the last 3 years (in fact, it's something crazy like .850), having OxyCollins at Qb is completely different from any Qb redlands has recently had on  their roster (except for maybe that Wabby kid, a source tells me he's the next joe namath ...) You're right, a single player alone can't win every game but in case you haven't noticed, OxyCollins is a superb athlete and Saras, well, isn't.  Having a QB that can do the things OxyCollins can greatly increase the team's chances of winning as we have all found out over the last three seasons.

Hey Harry,

Think before you write as you are only displaying your ignorance by your comments. All of you Oxy/Collins fans constantly make reference that Andy is "THE REASON"  for Oxy's success. So you don't get offended, he is "PART" of it (I am not trying to diminish his accomplishments). The rest of the team is the other part and if they didn't exist, or if the coaching was inferior, Oxy's success would not have happened, with or without Collins.

If you had the "slightest clue" about the problems with the Redland's Offensive Coordinator, or of the quality of the player talent on Redland's offense this year, you would not have made your post. Instead, your embellishing of Collins again completely confirms what I said in my original post, "A QB alone cannot make it happen and to pretend he can diminishes the efforts of the other players and the ability of the coaching staff."

[Dirty Harry]

Playing against them for the last 4 years, I've noticed these problems with the redlands offense: They can't run well, they can't pass well, they turn the ball over more than Rex Grossman and they call plays like my 10 year old brother does in Madden 07. As for Collins, you put him on any SCIAC team and that team has an enormous chance of clinching a title, that was my point. Collins is a special talent that the SCIAC may never see again and if you don't think so, you're just lying to yourself. I'm not trying to get all over Collins' junk, I'm just so appreciative that he helped my team win three titles in a row. That defense was pretty good too.

[DawgFan1]

Harry,

I can certainly understand your appreciation Oxy had an excellent QB the past three years. I also have said enough about the Redland's OC problems and don't need to say anything more on that subject. The fact that he is no longer part of the program confirms what I have been saying.

In any event, Oxy has had a great run the past three years and it will be interesting to see what happens next year with all the teams.

Regards,

[Pat Coleman]

Collins is on the Aztec Bowl roster. If he plays, he forfeits future college eligibility. That's why only seniors play in this thing.

That probably answers the question a bit.

[Browneagle64]

Pat

Oxy's web site has yet to confirm that Collins is going to the Aztec bowl. Can you offically send them a note that tells them  that they need to be up to date with such recognition.

Thanks.

[CRZK]

2nd BE comments.  AFCA doesn't have the roster posted yet either, so I assume Pat has inside info.  Big surprise there!

Boy it didn't take long to hear the smack start for next season.  I personally find it hard to believe that the OC for Redlands finished off their season.  At least that is what it sounds like Dawgs fan is saying.  Hard to believe the OC is responsible for the turnovers that killed the dawgs in many of there games.

However, Dawgfan is correct about one thing.  At this level the addition of one or two key impact players who are or would have been a D1 factor can help out a team in a major way.

[dawg gone it]

Problems like Redlands had on offense cannot be blamed on one singular cause.  Rest assured that the problems will be corrected next year.  The defense has all but two players returning and they will be even better next year with a year of  Coach Fazios system under their belts.  With Schafer, Vollmer, Godfrey and others returning there will be plenty of play makers who will be a threat to score every time they touch the ball.  Those three have some serious speed. The Bulldogs will be back next year, guaranteed.

[Pat Coleman]

2nd BE comments.  AFCA doesn't have the roster posted yet either, so I assume Pat has inside info.  Big surprise there!

Boy it didn't take long to hear the smack start for next season.  I personally find it hard to believe that the OC for Redlands finished off their season.  At least that is what it sounds like Dawgs fan is saying.  Hard to believe the OC is responsible for the turnovers that killed the dawgs in many of there games.

However, Dawgfan is correct about one thing.  At this level the addition of one or two key impact players who are or would have been a D1 factor can help out a team in a major way.

We have the roster posted actually.
http://www.d3football.com/notables.php

[DawgFan1]

Boy it didn't take long to hear the smack start for next season.  I personally find it hard to believe that the OC for Redlands finished off their season.  At least that is what it sounds like Dawgs fan is saying.  Hard to believe the OC is responsible for the turnovers that killed the dawgs in many of there games.

It looks as though one more comment on this subject is required...

No, the Redlands OC did not throw the interceptions nor did he personally fumble the ball. However, if you are the defensive player and you see the opposing offense run the same few plays over and over and over, and then pass primarily on third and long, over and over and over, wouldn't it be considerably easier for you to be in a good position to make the play and cause a turnover?

Oh...I forgot one more thing; most of the time the plays got out to the huddle so late the offense just barely had time to line up and snap the ball before the clock ran out. Time for the QB to read the defense...forget about it!

This is why the OC is gone and there will be a new one next year.