FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[D O.C.]

Or Redlands was the better team. Think of that.

A kinder, gentler OxyBob.

Don't hear much about this

Occidental drubbed Lewis & Clark 52-0 to extend the longest active NCAA Division III regular season winning streak to 27 games and the longest active Division III losing streak to 19 in a row.

[cawcdad]

So are any of the Tiger faithful on this board going to make the 300 mile pilgrimage north? I will be at the game and would enjoy meeting some of you.

Actually yes, some old roommates/football alums and myself are making the trek up there on Friday night after the game.  Looking forward to seeing Oxy play for the first time this year. 

Cool. Look forward to meeting you.

Cawdad, care to provided us more insight on the Oaks. What type of offense do they run?

Haven't seen them this year. Last year they ran mostly pro set type O. The QB is very athletic and can run and his passing was getting better at the end of last season. They had a big O line but they were not particularly quick. Last year their passing game was pretty good, but the running game lacked. On D, they had agressive, but small DBs. They lost their big ALL-NWC D-lineman to graduation. It will be intersting to see how he has been replaced. FWIW, I basically watched the games through the lens of a camera.

[(509)Rat]

Whitworth was obviously looking past Redlands to La Verne and their side trip to Raging Waters.

Actually Bob, I hear they're going to the beach.  The Disneyland trip (that was during the redlands trip last year...plus an angels game) has been moved back to the Azusa game.  AT least thats what the players are speculating.  I don't think Whitworth overlooked Redlands, and I don't think Redlands is the better team.  They played much better last Saturday but from watching the game I would say that if the two were to meet up again in the playoffs (a very likely first round match if both do make the playoffs) that Whitworth would win.  The 10-0 first quarter was more indicative (IMO) of the Whitworth team that you will see week in and week out.  Plus the o-line problems (Redlands front seven will wreak havoc on the rest of the SCIAC) should be solved this week when the U Washington transfer is eligible.  Wow, this turned into a much longer post than I originally intended...and reading back through it I expect a lot of negative karma from the Redlands fans 

[Browneagle64]

Thanks for the brief insight Cawcdad.

Bob, the only reason why i hoped that the ULV v.s Whitworth game turns out to an interesting game is because that's the only football that i can get to see.
First of all, our tigers will be on the road yet again and wont come home until Oct 6. Second, even though the rats are the better team i just felt that maybe they might start of the season 0-2 just like the great big blue of Michigan. (maybe i still have something against them for beating my boys at the big dance last year) And lastly, even though they are playing La verne, i don't want to see a game where one team is up 30+ in the first quarter it sure will make for a boring game on a good saturday. Hope that clearifies any traite nonsense.

[Fear the Poet]

From the football page on the NCAA web site:

http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/story/10345468

Redlands University's 24-12 upset of then-No. 16 Whitworth was the first time the Pirates posted a season-opening victory since 2000.

That's some stellar reporting.

OxyBob

The Pirates are good, I'll give you that. They will however have their hands full when they go against the Buccaneers of Whittier.

[d-train]

Wow, this turned into a much longer post than I originally intended

Perhaps you should use an outline to better organize your thoughts. Try this:

What To Say When Whitworth Loses

1. Lame excuses: We had o-line problems.
2. Feeble justifications: We didn't have the transfer from UW.
3. Unconvincing explanations: The first quarter is how we *really* play.
4. Wild predictions: Whitworth would win a rematch.
5. Hubris: We lost, but Redlands is not the better team.

OxyBob

LOL

+ karma for OB.

[(509)Rat]

1. Lame excuses: We had o-line problems.

Not an excuse, but a matter of fact.  When the d-line is getting that many touches on passes, the o-line has some work to do.  When Kemp is getting put on his butt after most throws, the o-line has work to do.  When you see that the reason all of this is happening isn't because of a lack of talent, but rather blown assignments...the o-line has some work to do.

2. Feeble justifications: We didn't have the transfer from UW.

Never said thats why Whitworth lost, simply stated that the o-line should be much improved with him in there especially as the season wears on.

3. Unconvincing explanations: The first quarter is how we *really* play.

The first quarter was a demonstration of how good Whitworth could be.  Are they there yet?  No, never said they were.  But do I expect them to be there as the season goes on?  Yes, and I think that if Whitworth and Redlands were to play again that Whitworth would win.  Just like Redlands fans who saw the game could give you reasons why Redlands would win another matchup, and while I may be slightly biased  it comes from my observation of the game which nobody else on this board had the pleasure of attending.

4. Wild predictions: Whitworth would win a rematch.

Why a wild prediction?  What makes it any more wild than any of the predictions on the pick-em boards?  Or any predictions made about the national playoffs?  ie. Whitworth was predicted to beat Oxy last season because of how the champion of each conference had fared against one another n previous years...that seems wild to me, basing your prediction off of previous seasons.

5. Hubris: We lost, but Redlands is not the better team.

I don't expect you to understand this one OxyBob.  At Occidental you schedule terrible non-conference games which you are supposed to win (and you do), then you roll through the SCIAC like predicted, and fall in the first round of the playoffs to the better team as predicted.  You've never seen the better team lose because you've never seen your Tigers knock off an NWC opponent (as of late) in the playoffs.  Also, if the better team always won then what constitutes an upset?

[RFB]

1. Lame excuses: We had o-line problems.

Not an excuse, but a matter of fact.  When the d-line is getting that many touches on passes, the o-line has some work to do.  When Kemp is getting put on his butt after most throws, the o-line has work to do.  When you see that the reason all of this is happening isn't because of a lack of talent, but rather blown assignments...the o-line has some work to do.

2. Feeble justifications: We didn't have the transfer from UW.

Never said thats why Whitworth lost, simply stated that the o-line should be much improved with him in there especially as the season wears on.

3. Unconvincing explanations: The first quarter is how we *really* play.

The first quarter was a demonstration of how good Whitworth could be.  Are they there yet?  No, never said they were.  But do I expect them to be there as the season goes on?  Yes, and I think that if Whitworth and Redlands were to play again that Whitworth would win.  Just like Redlands fans who saw the game could give you reasons why Redlands would win another matchup, and while I may be slightly biased  it comes from my observation of the game which nobody else on this board had the pleasure of attending.

4. Wild predictions: Whitworth would win a rematch.

Why a wild prediction?  What makes it any more wild than any of the predictions on the pick-em boards?  Or any predictions made about the national playoffs?  ie. Whitworth was predicted to beat Oxy last season because of how the champion of each conference had fared against one another n previous years...that seems wild to me, basing your prediction off of previous seasons.

5. Hubris: We lost, but Redlands is not the better team.

I don't expect you to understand this one OxyBob.  At Occidental you schedule terrible non-conference games which you are supposed to win (and you do), then you roll through the SCIAC like predicted, and fall in the first round of the playoffs to the better team as predicted.  You've never seen the better team lose because you've never seen your Tigers knock off an NWC opponent (as of late) in the playoffs.  Also, if the better team always won then what constitutes an upset?

Yes, we were not at the game in person but many of us were able to watch the game live through streaming video provided by Whitworth. You seem to forget that Redlands will also improve as the season goes. It's just my opinion but Redlands dominated your Rats for 90% of that game. Give credit where it is due.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

then you roll through the SCIAC like predicted, and fall in the first round of the playoffs to the better team as predicted.  You've never seen the better team lose because you've never seen your Tigers knock off an NWC opponent (as of late) in the playoffs.  Also, if the better team always won then what constitutes an upset?

Geez 509, you should get a job in the white house press corp with that spin and disregard for facts.

In 2004, Oxy beat 1st Round NWC opponent, beat 2nd round MIAC opponent, then lost to Linfield in the regional final;

In 2005, Oxy soundly defeated in round 1 by Linfield.

In 2006, I think you have to concede, the game could have gone either way, evenly matched teams played hard and Oxy ended up on the losing side, but was by no means embarrassed, and the result could easily have been different.

Prediction:

In 2007, Oxy v. Linfield in round 1, winner TBD. [Note, this is an opinion only, not reflecting the values or opinions of D3, SCIAC, NWC or individual posters . . . it is based on nothing other than ST's heavily biased, fan boosterism of the mighty tigers . . . io triumphe baby!]

[RFB]

then you roll through the SCIAC like predicted, and fall in the first round of the playoffs to the better team as predicted.  You've never seen the better team lose because you've never seen your Tigers knock off an NWC opponent (as of late) in the playoffs.  Also, if the better team always won then what constitutes an upset?

Geez 509, you should get a job in the white house press corp with that spin and disregard for facts.

In 2004, Oxy beat 1st Round NWC opponent, beat 2nd round MIAC opponent, then lost to Linfield in the regional final;

In 2005, Oxy soundly defeated in round 1 by Linfield.

In 2006, I think you have to concede, the game could have gone either way, evenly matched teams played hard and Oxy ended up on the losing side, but was by no means embarrassed, and the result could easily have been different.

Prediction:

In 2007, Oxy v. Linfield in round 1, winner TBD. [Note, this is an opinion only, not reflecting the values or opinions of D3, SCIAC, NWC or individual posters . . . it is based on nothing other than ST's heavily biased, fan boosterism of the mighty tigers . . . io triumphe baby!]

Tooth,

He's got his NWC blinders on. The truth is in the facts!

[(509)Rat]

Yes, we were not at the game in person but many of us were able to watch the game live through streaming video provided by Whitworth. You seem to forget that Redlands will also improve as the season goes. It's just my opinion but Redlands dominated your Rats for 90% of that game. Give credit where it is due.

Had Redlands "dominated" Whitworth for "90%" of the game the statistics wouldn't have been as close as they were.  Redlands wouldn't have had more turnovers, less rushing yards, or less time of possession, had they actually dominated the game (IMO).  I gave credit where credit was due and that was to the Redlands front seven.  They allowed Redlands secondary to sit in a man to man almost all game, they batted down balls, and put kemp on his butt enough to cause his throws to be pretty erratic (he overthrew and underthrew open recievers many times).

[wildcat11]

He's got his NWC blinders on. The truth is in the facts!

I agree that the truth is in the facts...and the fact is nobody in the SCIAC has the nads to put Linfield on their non-conference slate for the past four years.  Sorry I had to get that out of my system.  Carry on....

[RFB]

Yes, we were not at the game in person but many of us were able to watch the game live through streaming video provided by Whitworth. You seem to forget that Redlands will also improve as the season goes. It's just my opinion but Redlands dominated your Rats for 90% of that game. Give credit where it is due.

Had Redlands "dominated" Whitworth for "90%" of the game the statistics wouldn't have been as close as they were.  Redlands wouldn't have had more turnovers, less rushing yards, or less time of possession, had they actually dominated the game (IMO).  I gave credit where credit was due and that was to the Redlands front seven.  They allowed Redlands secondary to sit in a man to man almost all game, they batted down balls, and put kemp on his butt enough to cause his throws to be pretty erratic (he overthrew and underthrew open recievers many times).

The 10% left includes Kemps run (67 yards) and the last drive of the game (56 yards) where Whitworth got a big chunk of their yards (Total two possessions=123 yards). Total game time for that was 3:57. So what happened to Whitworth for the remaining 56 minutes of the game? They got a field goal that was a result of Redlands turning the ball over at their own 25 yard line. Also, Whitworth was 0/6 on fourth down. Seems like domination to me.

[snoop dawg]

509.......stats dont always tell the story. For instance, Whit had more rushing yards, 162 to 140 HOWEVER,  Kemp had 67 of those yards on one play.  After that one play the entire Whit team was held to 95 yds, AND,  that one big play came in the first series of downs for Whit.

I would say that the UR defense dominated the game.  Most of the passing yards came late in the game for Whit when they had no choice but to pass.  Kemp was 18-42-1, much of his toubles were caused by, yes , the Dline, but the secondary did a pretty good job on coverage.  

I was able to watch the second half and I would say that the UR offense was efficient and the defense was dominant....as in Return to dominance.

I hope that if the dawgs get to the playoffs they get to play Whit again, it would mark the first time they move on to round two.  Lets not put the cart before the Pirate and win the SCIAC  first.  That may all be determined on Oct. 6th.

OB...I cant believe that I have to afford you +k two days in a row for your outrageous comedy routine.  Are you a writer?

[RFB]

He's got his NWC blinders on. The truth is in the facts!

I agree that the truth is in the facts...and the fact is nobody in the SCIAC has the nads to put Linfield on their non-conference slate for the past four years.  Sorry I had to get that out of my system.  Carry on....

Yeah, Yeah! We've heard it before. Redlands and the SCIAC don't have telephone service. Maybe the Pony Express can get them a message?