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downtown48

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Quote from: Fear the Poet on October 16, 2007, 12:35:11 AM
speaking of "chalk blocking" Chapman was cutting all freaking night. It is my opinion that the block should be outlawed. With people this big and athletic, blocking at the knee should be taboo. When I see OLineman diving at knees at the snap, I get pissed off abit.

I don't know about O-lineman but if I'm a 200 pound RB and I've got to block the 275 pound DE, he's getting cut all day long until he figures out how to defend it...   8)

Fear the Poet

Quote from: downtown48 on October 16, 2007, 01:31:16 AM
Quote from: Fear the Poet on October 16, 2007, 12:35:11 AM
speaking of "chalk blocking" Chapman was cutting all freaking night. It is my opinion that the block should be outlawed. With people this big and athletic, blocking at the knee should be taboo. When I see OLineman diving at knees at the snap, I get pissed off abit.

I don't know about O-lineman but if I'm a 200 pound RB and I've got to block the 275 pound DE, he's getting cut all day long until he figures out how to defend it...   8)

hopefully knees don't get broken before he "figures it out"
"using the whole fist there, Doc"

MonroviaCat

Yeah....but without the chop block---the small guys could end up with necks broken when they get snapped backwards by the charging, 275 LB guy running them over--(while I did not have my neck broken, I did suffer a pretty bad nerve inpingement in highschool where we were not allowed to chop block from the backfield).
Go Cats!

OXY Oswald

Quote from: tigersports on October 16, 2007, 12:15:34 AM
QuoteIsn't that an outlawed offensive trick play? Perhaps the reporter meant fumbleitis. Last week she spoke about a "chalk block." Maybe Snoopy was right after all.

"Hey, you chalk-blocked McLovin"

--paraphrasing Seth Rogen in Superbad
"We're not supposed to block his chalk, we're supposed to be guiding his chalk."

"McLovin, I'm sorry I blocked your chalk."
Go TIGERS!!!

Tough days for Tiger Football.

downtown48

#7054
Guys...there's a difference between cut blocking and "chop" blocking.  Cut blocking is legal and the defender takes it on one on one.  Chop blocking is illegal and is when the D-lineman is engaged and someone else comes up and takes his legs out.  And, oh by the way, D-linemen do it to in short yardage...some teams teach them to just cut the o-line down to create a pile that mucks up the running lanes...


wildcat11

#7055
Quote from: downtown48 on October 16, 2007, 01:31:16 AM
Quote from: Fear the Poet on October 16, 2007, 12:35:11 AM
speaking of "chalk blocking" Chapman was cutting all freaking night. It is my opinion that the block should be outlawed. With people this big and athletic, blocking at the knee should be taboo. When I see OLineman diving at knees at the snap, I get pissed off abit.

I don't know about O-lineman but if I'm a 200 pound RB and I've got to block the 275 pound DE, he's getting cut all day long until he figures out how to defend it...   8)

Cut blocks are fine.  It's an important O-line blocking technique in the one/three step game and for RB's and WR's.   As a college athlete you should be able to defend yourself and learn how to work around this block.  As long it's not a chop I have no issue with cut blocking.

But as a parent I could see why this could be bothersome to watch.  Just tell little Ricky "Control their head, Control their body"

downtown48

Good advice...it's actually pretty comical to see a good DE take on that block, it makes the RB look pretty silly...but I didn't know any DE's like that while at Linfield... ;)

Eye of da TIGER

Cutting is just part of the game! Bigger WR's and RB's get cut down by smaller DB's all of the time! Rather than making the perfect form tackle they will fly in at your knees. In return, offenseive players get to do it to defensive guys rather than standing there and blocking them. From my experience at Oxy, Chapman is probably the best team at cutting, they must practice it a lot. Their O'line cut block and their WR's chopped down our DB's all of the time. On the other hand, I occasionally used the cut block to simply get a rest and lay on the ground for a second. I think in 4 years I was about 2 for 20 in cutting, maybe i should have practiced more.  ;D
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RFB

Quote from: Fear the Poet on October 16, 2007, 12:35:11 AM
Quote from: tigersports on October 16, 2007, 12:15:34 AM
QuoteIsn't that an outlawed offensive trick play? Perhaps the reporter meant fumbleitis. Last week she spoke about a "chalk block." Maybe Snoopy was right after all.

"Hey, you chalk-blocked McLovin"

--paraphrasing Seth Rogen in Superbad

speaking of "chalk blocking" Chapman was cutting all freaking night. It is my opinion that the block should be outlawed. With people this big and athletic, blocking at the knee should be taboo. When I see OLineman diving at knees at the snap, I get pissed off abit.

I'm probably biased becuase Little Ricky could have busted a knee and leg..but regardless, I was about to go down and beat Owen's ass. :)

Chapman are the Kings of the cut block. When Coach Visser was in charge no team that I played against did it better. We practiced very hard in getting ready to dend it. One arm on the the shoulder pad and the other on the helmet and drive into the ground. Get up quickly and make the play. That's it, get me a helmet I'm ready to go!

OXY Oswald

Quote from: OxyBob on October 16, 2007, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on October 16, 2007, 11:43:21 AM

As long it's not a chop I have no issue with cut blocking.

But as a parent I could see why this could be bothersome to watch.  Just tell little Ricky "Control their head, Control their body"


You football mavens can correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the main difference between a cut block and a chop block where you have your head? Unfortunately, we know where many football coaches have their heads. That's why as a parent I was thrilled when my boy decided to concentrate on baseball and forget about playing football.

OxyBob
As downtown described there is a difference and it doesn't have to do with the placement of the head.  A chop block (illegal) is when a defensive player is engaged with a blocker and another offensive player comes in and dives at his knees.


A cut block (legal) is used to get a defensive player on the ground in 3-step drop passing or by recievers trying to surprise a db.  

I'm currently looking for a picture for an example...
Go TIGERS!!!

Tough days for Tiger Football.

Eye of da TIGER

Quote from: Fear the Poet on October 16, 2007, 12:35:11 AM
Quote from: tigersports on October 16, 2007, 12:15:34 AM
QuoteIsn't that an outlawed offensive trick play? Perhaps the reporter meant fumbleitis. Last week she spoke about a "chalk block." Maybe Snoopy was right after all.

"Hey, you chalk-blocked McLovin"

--paraphrasing Seth Rogen in Superbad

speaking of "chalk blocking" Chapman was cutting all freaking night. It is my opinion that the block should be outlawed. With people this big and athletic, blocking at the knee should be taboo. When I see OLineman diving at knees at the snap, I get pissed off abit.

I'm probably biased becuase Little Ricky could have busted a knee and leg..but regardless, I was about to go down and beat Owen's ass. :)

I dont really have a problem with it at all, unless of course its used like Trent Green used it. I thought that was reckless and cowardly. I dont care the guy weighed 300lbs, he wasnt even looking and a hit like that could easily end a career.
4 is the smallest composite number, its proper divisors being 1 and 2. 4 is the smallest squared prime. 4 is the only number in the English language for which the number of letters in its name is equal to the number itself. 4 is also the number of titles in a row the tigers will have in '07!! Go Oxy

RFB

Quote from: downtown48 on October 16, 2007, 11:37:33 AM
Guys...there's a difference between cut blocking and "chop" blocking.  Cut blocking is legal and the defender takes it on one on one.  Chop blocking is illegal and is when the D-lineman is engaged and someone else comes up and takes his legs out.  And, oh by the way, D-linemen do it to in short yardage...some teams teach them to just cut the o-line down to create a pile that mucks up the running lanes...



Even worse is the crack-back. Better have a head on a swivel and hope the guy outside of you calls it out very loudly. Nothing will get your own senior outside linebacker to hate you more then to have him get lit up with the crack back and you didn't call it out. I know from experience as a dumb freshmen. I believe it cost me a twelve pack of beer that night. Never happened again on my watch until I got lit up my senior year by a crack back. Some stupid freshmen forgot to call it out.

D O.C.

QuoteWe practiced very hard in getting ready to defend it. One arm on the the shoulder pad and the other on the helmet and drive into the ground. Get up quickly and make the play.
But just once in awhile lift that knee pad in the chin, get up and make the play. You athletic defensive ends leap over the guy once in a while.


Fear the Poet

Quote from: OxyBob on October 16, 2007, 02:35:27 PM
Quote from: Fear the Poet on October 16, 2007, 12:35:11 AM

I'm probably biased becuase Little Ricky could have busted a knee and leg..but regardless, I was about to go down and beat Owen's ass.


I noticed in the WC-Chapman box score that Little Ricky was able to rise above all of the cut blocks and lead the Poets with 6 tackles and half of a sack.

OxyBob

he did..thanks

Dad likes to complain, but LR did adjust to the cut blocks during the course of the game. I asked him about it, he said no big deal and that he figured it out pretty quick.
"using the whole fist there, Doc"

downtown48

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I asked him about it, he said no big deal and that he figured it out pretty quick.

I like it...