FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Hey gang . . . check out Chris Dufresne's column on page one of today's L.A. Times re potential Rose Bowl scenarios and the included "Haskell Indians" reference.

Too damn funny.

[02 Warhawk]

To any Cal. Lutheran fans out there:

Being a UW-Whitewater fan/alumn, I was just curious on why Danny Jones would transfer to UW-Whitewater?? Was it simply for the opportunity to play on a bigger stage? Or was there something else going on internally at CL?

I appreciate it..

[Pat Coleman]

Coaching change this offseason was undoubtedly part of it.

[snoop dawg]

Haskell was as good as Lewis and Clark if not better.

[Pat Coleman]

Massey Ratings have Haskell at 686 overall in college football and L&C at 704. Snoop is right.

[snoop dawg]

A distinction without a difference!

[MonroviaCat]

I think we should start a new bowl every year where the two lowest ranked teams play!  What would we call it (Bob)?

[snoop dawg]

just my opinion..........Ive already said the RB rule is stupid, but, if UR beats CLU, and if 2 SCIAC teams will go to the playoffs, it should be UR and Oxy.  The regional losses suffered by CLU, imo, are an indication that they are not the best representation of the SCIAC.

And, if UR beats CLU handily, UR should get the AQ.  Part of my justification is that the UR game with Oxy was close, I wont include the woulda, coulda shoulda's, but UR had the opportunity to win the game.  If I were a SCIAC official, I would want to send the strongest team or teams to represent my conference.  Again, my opinion, if UR beats CLU handily, they are the strongest.  I think the committee would then take Oxy over CLU  based upon the regional rankings. I believe this would be the fairest outcome under those facts. And if Oxy would get the AQ, UR should get the other bid.  I think they both should go.  Of course, this is all predicated upon the dawgs winning this weekend.

[MonroviaCat]

I think we'll know if CLU is a good indication of the SCIAC's best after this week.  Yeah, they have 3 losses but the teams they lost to were PLU who had a good season (gave Whitworth a run for their money), Willamette (beat Linfield and took Whitworth to Overtime) and Chapman (gave Oxy a run for their money last week and held tight with Redlands earlier in the season).  Couple that with a new QB and coaching staff and I think what they have done is quite impressive.  If they beat Redlands this week then I don't see any complain with them representing the best of the SCIAC.  If Redlands wins (and it isn't a close game) then I think the argument holds water.  We'll have more data on Saturday! 

[stealth]

On The daily dose current predications Pat has already Redlands beating CLU "We end up with three teams with two regional losses in Pool C in this projection: Capital, Hobart and Bethel. Occidental, with one regional loss and the weakest opponents' winning percentage among one-loss teams (currently .391), gets passed in the regional rankings when Redlands beats Cal Lutheran and gets left home. Waynesburg's .424 is the second-lowest." Premonition 

True but they were very early in the season. Should be an interesting ranking when CLU beats Redlands.

Actually, you are looking at the final regional rankings. They'll construct one more on Saturday evening...but never release it. I can promise you that Cal Lutheran would not wind up in the west top ten even if they hang 70 points on the Dawgs. They're just too many 0, 1, or 2 loss teams ahead of them - and the primary criteria is regional win-loss percentage.

[stealth]

Go back in the posts about three months and you'll get the 900 speculations and misinformation postings.  It is history and nobody will ever know exactly except for Mr. Jones. Suffice it to say both programs are doing fine and if they do meet in the playoffs, saturday and sunday, will tell, it should make for a lot of interesting posts here and on the WIAC string.  8)

To any Cal. Lutheran fans out there:

Being a UW-Whitewater fan/alumn, I was just curious on why Danny Jones would transfer to UW-Whitewater?? Was it simply for the opportunity to play on a bigger stage? Or was there something else going on internally at CL?

I appreciate it..
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[snoop dawg]

MC....... I agree with you, CLU has done a very impressive job this year based upon all the circumstances that have occured.  Credit Coach McEnroe.  He is a hell of a coach and deserves much of the credit. 

If CLU beats UR then they do deserve to go, no question. 

[Gray Fox]

The veteran coaches and ADs all know the SCIAC rules going into the season and will accept the outcome. 

MCat has made some very good football points in his latest  post.

The SCIAC tries to be fair to all schools and student athletes so that everyone gets a fair shot at the playoffs over time.  If Redlands and Oxy win Saturday, there will be three SCIAC champions.  It doesn't get much better than that.  The playoffs are a bonus.  If a Pool C bid (or two ) comes along that would be even better.

When John Wooden was at UCLA, his only goal was to win his conference.  All those NCAA banners are icing on the cake. 

[scandihoovian]

Snoop-

I understand the kind of anxiety that comes along with hoping your favorite team will make it into the playoffs (it was quite disappointing when the 2005 Kingsmen stayed home at 8-1), but you are basically arguing that Redlands should be considered the best team in the conference (if they beat CLU) because they beat CLU.  Who did CLU beat?  Oxy...  Who did Oxy beat? Redlands.

That's the whole point  - it's a circular argument, and those are tough to win.  The Rose Bowl Rule is not perfect, but it does offer a little more hope to those teams who are trying to get to the playoffs for the first time in a long time, or ever, for that matter.

Finally, I think it's time to stop playing up margin of victory, especially in football.  If you lose a basketball game by 20 points, chances are you got seriously outplayed.  Football's scoring system allows for 20 point wins that don't necessarily reflect a dominant performance by the winning team.

That said - I am looking forward to a great game on Saturday, and I join tooth in sending out good thoughts for LR...

[MonroviaCat]

I vote for the Stagger Bowl!  or the Stagnate/Stagnant Bowl.