FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[downtown48]

...it all comes down to the fact that MUC is just a little more rested than UWW right now.

If it goes the way most people think, it won't be because they are more rested, it will be because The Mount is head and shoulders above the rest of Div. 3 at this point.  I really can't it explain it...everbody else needs to figure it out, it's actually kind of embarrasing that nobody can compete with them over the last 15 years.

[D O.C.]

You are all invited to Career Day.
Take Alameda Blvd south from downtown LA, turn left at the Watts Towers.
No parking provided.
Coco, you can open up things with "P.E.- Rain or Shine."

                                              8)

[wildcat11]

...it all comes down to the fact that MUC is just a little more rested than UWW right now.

If it goes the way most people think, it won't be because they are more rested, it will be because The Mount is head and shoulders above the rest of Div. 3 at this point.  I really can't it explain it...everbody else needs to figure it out, it's actually kind of embarrasing that nobody can compete with them over the last 15 years.

Mount in a walk....UWW is very good but MUC is just too good.

[tmerton]

IMHO the greatest real self esteem builder is failing, figuring out where you went wrong, and working hard to fix it so you succeed the next time.

I agree.  If you cannot fail, you cannot succeed.  Artificial support (everyone gets a prize - which is fine at one level) deprives these kids of the ability to actually succeed.

[coco]

Gee, thanks, DenS. You'd trust me to open something besides a beer? I'm flattered.

Gotta go with Mount. One of their fans said at the beginning of the season they're better than they were last year and that no one would be able to stop them. It appears he was right.

That said, I hope UWW  puts up a fight.

[stealth]

40" is all that will fit in the back of the Hummer. You were close on the burger thought. 35 franchises in FLA. Need a job ?

stealth.....only a 42 incher?  whats up with that? You must flip burgers in the FLA!
<Sarcasm intended, with emphasis>

[stealth]

D3 football has a Pickem Post going right now. They have the link up for discussion. 18 is the current line. There is also some over under chat going on.

There is actually a spread for this game? Wow, what's the line?
I know UWW has everything to prove and nothing to lose. However, I would be thrilled if they kept it w/in 10. I still think that despite the familiarity, experience, etc., that it all comes down to the fact that MUC is just a little more rested than UWW right now.

[scandihoovian]

I know Mount is tough - and I understand why they're a heavy favorite.  It's hard to tell how good Mount's playoff competition was this year.  My uneducated guess is that they didn't play anyone as good as UMHB.  I hope WW can hang with them and maybe pull off the upset.  It would be great for the west region and just plain fun to see someone else take home the walnut & bronze.

It seems like Mount's success is predicated on good coaching and a wealth of talent from Ohio and Florida (it's the Ohio State formula on the D3 level). I know they get their fair share of transfers and bounce backs.  It also seems like they use the Pete Carroll rule (because we all know he was the first guy to think of it): stud freshmen (Kmic, etc.) play right away.  That's got to be a big draw for a kid who's choosing between Mount and one of the many mid major D1s in Ohio (Akron, Ohio U, Miami, Kent, etc.).  I am not sure what this does for Mount's institutional culture (they have 150+ players on their numerical roster - does this mean 20-25% of their male population plays football?).

[EastCoastStag]

...it all comes down to the fact that MUC is just a little more rested than UWW right now.

If it goes the way most people think, it won't be because they are more rested, it will be because The Mount is head and shoulders above the rest of Div. 3 at this point.  I really can't it explain it...everbody else needs to figure it out, it's actually kind of embarrasing that nobody can compete with them over the last 15 years.

Yes. We all know that Mount is head and shoulders above 99% of DIII. (Well maybe all of us, except for a few Redlands fans...) They are a freakin' machine that chews up and spits out even the best of the OAC (which is a pretty damn strong conference). You certainly can't say that nobody can compete with them. They have lost games to ONU, MHB, etc. It is rare that teams have the ability and opportunity to compete, let alone beat MUC. However, it does happen. UWW gave them a game 2 years ago. Mount (or The Mount as you put it) is better than 99% of DIII. Their JV team would have smashed CMS when I was there. I've had the opportunity to see Mount play. It is disgusting. There are players who didn't make their playoff roster who I am sure could start on just about any other team in the country. But, there are also teams out there who are in that gap between Mount and the rest of the pack - the UWWs, StJohns, Wheaton, UMHB, Wesley?, ONU, etc. (Linfield perhaps a couple of years back). Like I said before, we have all figured it out (save a couple people). But as for my "analysis". I think that UWW is a premier team. They have an opportunity, legitimately. However, the fact that they have been beat up in their run may be the limiting factor to them having the chance to pull off the upset. In a perfect world - a healthy, fresh UWW against a healthy, fresh Mount would be an interesting, and IMHO a close game.

I know Mount is tough - and I understand why they're a heavy favorite.  It's hard to tell how good Mount's playoff competition was this year.  My uneducated guess is that they didn't play anyone as good as UMHB.  I hope WW can hang with them and maybe pull off the upset.  It would be great for the west region and just plain fun to see someone else take home the walnut & bronze.

It seems like Mount's success is predicated on good coaching and a wealth of talent from Ohio and Florida (it's the Ohio State formula on the D3 level). I know they get their fair share of transfers and bounce backs.  It also seems like they use the Pete Carroll rule (because we all know he was the first guy to think of it): stud freshmen (Kmic, etc.) play right away.  That's got to be a big draw for a kid who's choosing between Mount and one of the many mid major D1s in Ohio (Akron, Ohio U, Miami, Kent, etc.).  I am not sure what this does for Mount's institutional culture (they have 150+ players on their numerical roster - does this mean 20-25% of their male population plays football?).

Mount is tough. Bingo. Their playoff competition was pretty decent. It just seems as less than due to the fact that they rolled most everyone. Bethel was a very strong team this year and a worthy team. edit: I would assume (uneducated) that they would have beat UMHB by at least 17-21.

They do use the "P.C." rule. However, it is more a matter of merit than letting the stud frosh play right away. The kids earn it, rather than being given token time. Yeah it keeps them happy. But, the kids also love the draw of MUC, the atmosphere of their games, the opportunity to play for a national title and, while DIII is a step down in some sense from the premier HS programs of Ohio, there is a tremendous respect for it in the state. (I would say more than exists in CA.)

As for their culture... yep, there are a tremendous amount of football players on campus. But, as we are all small college kids, this shouldn't surprise us. At both DIII schools I attended, the population of athletes was in excess of 33% of the student body, including kids who did double duty in 2 or more sports. For small, liberal arts DIIIs, this is an integral part of the experience. Anyways, over the last 15 years or so, this has become their culture, and since the school is doing well and still drawing students, there is nothing wrong with that whatsoever. We have Mudd, CalTech and MIT where the culture is equations, labs, computers, etc. So there really is nothing wrong with a school where the culture is slightly more "jock" oriented. But, at least we know these kids are going to class, unlike most DI programs.

[stealth]

ECS,
Not sure where you are getting your intel about WW injury situation. "They have an opportunity, legitimately. However, the fact that they have been beat up in their run may be the limiting factor to them having the chance to pull off the upset. In a perfect world - a healthy, fresh UWW against a healthy, fresh Mount would be an interesting, and IMHO a close game." Beaver stats: 164 yards rushing per game in the regular season; his total of 1,640 yards rushing was third highest in D-III in 2007. Shut down a little in post season but that is a design by the D. 8 in the box. Well we know the results of that. Jones killed them all on the outside. 
Everybody is heathly and ready to go. Including the all american kicker who was out with a groin strain for a couple of games. As far as fresh, well not sure any starters are completely fresh after a long season of combat.   

...it all comes down to the fact that MUC is just a little more rested than UWW right now.

If it goes the way most people think, it won't be because they are more rested, it will be because The Mount is head and shoulders above the rest of Div. 3 at this point.  I really can't it explain it...everbody else needs to figure it out, it's actually kind of embarrasing that nobody can compete with them over the last 15 years.

Yes. We all know that Mount is head and shoulders above 99% of DIII. (Well maybe all of us, except for a few Redlands fans...) They are a freakin' machine that chews up and spits out even the best of the OAC (which is a pretty damn strong conference). You certainly can't say that nobody can compete with them. They have lost games to ONU, MHB, etc. It is rare that teams have the ability and opportunity to compete, let alone beat MUC. However, it does happen. UWW gave them a game 2 years ago. Mount (or The Mount as you put it) is better than 99% of DIII. Their JV team would have smashed CMS when I was there. I've had the opportunity to see Mount play. It is disgusting. There are players who didn't make their playoff roster who I am sure could start on just about any other team in the country. But, there are also teams out there who are in that gap between Mount and the rest of the pack - the UWWs, StJohns, Wheaton, UMHB, Wesley?, ONU, etc. (Linfield perhaps a couple of years back). Like I said before, we have all figured it out (save a couple people). But as for my "analysis". I think that UWW is a premier team. They have an opportunity, legitimately. However, the fact that they have been beat up in their run may be the limiting factor to them having the chance to pull off the upset. In a perfect world - a healthy, fresh UWW against a healthy, fresh Mount would be an interesting, and IMHO a close game.

I know Mount is tough - and I understand why they're a heavy favorite.  It's hard to tell how good Mount's playoff competition was this year.  My uneducated guess is that they didn't play anyone as good as UMHB.  I hope WW can hang with them and maybe pull off the upset.  It would be great for the west region and just plain fun to see someone else take home the walnut & bronze.

It seems like Mount's success is predicated on good coaching and a wealth of talent from Ohio and Florida (it's the Ohio State formula on the D3 level). I know they get their fair share of transfers and bounce backs.  It also seems like they use the Pete Carroll rule (because we all know he was the first guy to think of it): stud freshmen (Kmic, etc.) play right away.  That's got to be a big draw for a kid who's choosing between Mount and one of the many mid major D1s in Ohio (Akron, Ohio U, Miami, Kent, etc.).  I am not sure what this does for Mount's institutional culture (they have 150+ players on their numerical roster - does this mean 20-25% of their male population plays football?).

Mount is tough. Bingo. Their playoff competition was pretty decent. It just seems as less than due to the fact that they rolled most everyone. Bethel was a very strong team this year and a worthy team. edit: I would assume (uneducated) that they would have beat UMHB by at least 17-21.

They do use the "P.C." rule. However, it is more a matter of merit than letting the stud frosh play right away. The kids earn it, rather than being given token time. Yeah it keeps them happy. But, the kids also love the draw of MUC, the atmosphere of their games, the opportunity to play for a national title and, while DIII is a step down in some sense from the premier HS programs of Ohio, there is a tremendous respect for it in the state. (I would say more than exists in CA.)

As for their culture... yep, there are a tremendous amount of football players on campus. But, as we are all small college kids, this shouldn't surprise us. At both DIII schools I attended, the population of athletes was in excess of 33% of the student body, including kids who did double duty in 2 or more sports. For small, liberal arts DIIIs, this is an integral part of the experience. Anyways, over the last 15 years or so, this has become their culture, and since the school is doing well and still drawing students, there is nothing wrong with that whatsoever. We have Mudd, CalTech and MIT where the culture is equations, labs, computers, etc. So there really is nothing wrong with a school where the culture is slightly more "jock" oriented. But, at least we know these kids are going to class, unlike most DI programs.

[EastCoastStag]

Simple fatigue.

edit: How am I sharing injury information? Just providing simple football observations. Look at the Patriots - Coach turns their Wednesday practice into a walkthrough and lightens up the rest of the week and they abuse the Steelers and acknowledged the fact they were more fresh!

You play 4 quarters of playoff football vs. 3. Big difference. The ability to decompress, relax, etc starts sooner. I'm not saying people have pulls, strains, etc. rather, the fact that you are just more physically exhausted. Whether a hit hurts you or not, it still abuses your body, so a series or two less of that per game over the course of the year and the course of the playoffs really matters big time.

Your body feels completely different on a Sunday if you only had to play 3 quarters vs. 4, what have you. From personal experience, I was also mentally more fresh (then again I was also one of the few, no matter what school, who didn't try to go break the last "case race" record.... that might have had something to do with how I felt).

I wouldn't know any injury info for anybody in the playoffs. Just an observation from 10 years between the lines.

edit: But, if I did have injury information, I would sell it - just like the Texas A&M coach.... that would be the most ethical thing to do.

What a dumbass.

[Knightstalker]

ECS,
As far as fresh, well not sure any starters are completely fresh after a long season of combat. 

Please, how about after a long season of playing, not combat.  You really shouldn't compare football or any sport to combat or war, there is no comparison.  They are playing a game, sure it is an intense physical game, but it is still a game no matter how you look at it.

[stealth]

ECS,
I was just quoting you so no worries. I understand where you are coming from now that you clarified. Just saw the weather report. Sleet and slight chance of snow. Advantage WW, slightly,  as they have played the last two games in similar conditions.

Simple fatigue.

edit: How am I sharing injury information? Just providing simple football observations. Look at the Patriots - Coach turns their Wednesday practice into a walkthrough and lightens up the rest of the week and they abuse the Steelers and acknowledged the fact they were more fresh!

You play 4 quarters of playoff football vs. 3. Big difference. The ability to decompress, relax, etc starts sooner. I'm not saying people have pulls, strains, etc. rather, the fact that you are just more physically exhausted. Whether a hit hurts you or not, it still abuses your body, so a series or two less of that per game over the course of the year and the course of the playoffs really matters big time.

Your body feels completely different on a Sunday if you only had to play 3 quarters vs. 4, what have you. From personal experience, I was also mentally more fresh (then again I was also one of the few, no matter what school, who didn't try to go break the last "case race" record.... that might have had something to do with how I felt).

I wouldn't know any injury info for anybody in the playoffs. Just an observation from 10 years between the lines.

edit: But, if I did have injury information, I would sell it - just like the Texas A&M coach.... that would be the most ethical thing to do.

What a dumbass.

[stealth]

Oh for christ sake. Are you one of the Cali P.C. girls ? As a Vietnam era veteran I can assure that I meant no disrespect to any of our former or current military members nor comparison to any actual war time combat situation. Don't tell the 6'5 340 lb lineman that is going against another 6'4 340 lb that it's not a combat mentality when they are pounding on each other all game, all season. I used combat as a metaphor in the context of the football post discussion. But moron isn't a metaphor in your case. 

ECS,
As far as fresh, well not sure any starters are completely fresh after a long season of combat. 

Please, how about after a long season of playing, not combat.  You really shouldn't compare football or any sport to combat or war, there is no comparison.  They are playing a game, sure it is an intense physical game, but it is still a game no matter how you look at it.

[Knightstalker]

Oh for christ sake. Are you one of the Cali P.C. girls ? As a Vietnam era veteran I can assure that I meant no disrespect to any of our former or current military members nor comparison to any actual war time combat situation. Don't tell the 6'5 340 lb lineman that is going against another 6'4 340 lb that it's not a combat mentality when they are pounding on each other all game, all season. I used combat as a metaphor in the context of the football post discussion. But moron isn't a metaphor in your case. 

ECS,
As far as fresh, well not sure any starters are completely fresh after a long season of combat. 

Please, how about after a long season of playing, not combat.  You really shouldn't compare football or any sport to combat or war, there is no comparison.  They are playing a game, sure it is an intense physical game, but it is still a game no matter how you look at it.

No you moron, just commander of my VFW post and a Navy vet.