FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[d-train]

While Whitworth has won the past two NWC football titles, I personally think their program has done even less than (previous NWC champ) Linfield to fight AIDS in Sub-Saharan Africa. At least Pacific Lutheran is a leader in Darfur humanitarian efforts.

[Goal Line Stand]

2.  Goal Line Stand (may I call you GLS?):  Snooty?  Yup, I guess so.  "Elite" or "elitist" is probably a better word . . . I'm one of those pain in the ass kind of guys that will point out silly, unsupportable statements on a message board when the poster clearly does not realize that what he is saying is silly and unsupportable.  I try to live in a fact based, logic based world.   In other words, I'm a liberal and, to some, an elitist.

Please, feel free to do so.  But kindly extend to me the same courtesy.   

Of course, we'll have to excuse you as you could not possibly have known that some schools require actual reading, writing and thinking. There are no majors in "snowmobile repairs," "an idiot's guide to harvesting sweet corn," or "cattle slaughter."

[KCDutch]

Food inflation is tied more to oil prices not ethanol.  Go back to the oil embargo days, and food inflation was actually higher than it is now.

Well, not exactly. I do remember the 1970s OPEC oil embargo. That's when Congress started passing legislation to promote ethanol made from corn as an alternative fuel. Congress gave corn farmers all sorts of tax breaks and subsidies, but despite the help the US became more dependent on imported oil, and ethanol production remained largely marginal.

Nowadays, however, thanks to high oil prices and even more generous government subsidies, ethanol made from corn is all the rage. The problem is that the gigantic volume of corn required by ethanol producers is affecting the entire food supply. The US grows about 40% of the world's corn and produces about 45% of the world's ethanol. (Brazil accounts for about another 45% of the world's ethanol, which Brazil makes from sugar cane.) Corn futures are the highest they've been in a decade, which in turn has caused wheat and rice prices to rise to 10-year highs, because farmers are planting more acres with yellow dent corn and fewer acres with other crops.

What's happening is that now both food prices and oil prices are high. The prices of staple grains have continued to go up. By mandating the production of ethanol as an alternative fuel, our government is causing higher prices for both processed and staple foods around the world. So, like it or not, the production of ethanol made from Iowa corn has combined with oil and food prices in a way that affects the production of food, and in turn causes more poverty and starvation around the world. God bless America.

OxyBob

I'll agree to disagree.  The government gives subsidies across the board and I don't like them to any industry.   Blame ethanol, regurgitate CNBC arguments...easy.

We obviously disagree on root cause of food inflation, but another factor in ag prices rising is the overseeing government bodies allowed too much consolidation in the ag industries.  Monsanto/Potash/Mosiac's of the ag world control everything and keep fertilize/chemicals costs high.  Monsanto wants to bump the bottomline, they raise the cost of glyphosate and bump Monsanto's earnings by $1B b/c they control market.   Potash and Mosiac could produce more fertilzer, but they choose not to and fertilizer prices go up.  This all leads to crop prices going up up up.  Again the same talking heads on CNBC love POT/MOS/MON b/c they have pricing power and flex their muscle....but hate ethanol.  Makes total sense!  

Oh, and I can guarantee no land in Iowa has been changed from rice crops to corn in the past few years.  There has been more acres move from soybeans to corn, but it actually looks like this could level or go back to soybeans this year and next.  It just seems to me that the easiest and one most used on CNBC/Bloomberg is to only blame ethanol and it gets old.  Nobody talks about any other possible causes.  Just my opinions.....

[wildcat11]

While Whitworth has won the past two NWC football titles, I personally think their program has done even less than (previous NWC champ) Linfield to fight AIDS in Sub-Saharan Africa. At least Pacific Lutheran is a leader in Darfur humanitarian efforts.

AND Linfield Football is doing its best to snuf out local hunger.  Take that Lewis & Clark!

[d-train]

While Whitworth has won the past two NWC football titles, I personally think their program has done even less than (previous NWC champ) Linfield to fight AIDS in Sub-Saharan Africa. At least Pacific Lutheran is a leader in Darfur humanitarian efforts.

AND Linfield Football is doing its best to snuf out local hunger.  Take that Lewis & Clark!

You guys still working on local hunger? The Lutes solved all of Tacoma's hunger, meth, and homelessness issues years ago. We even built UW-Tacoma, the new musuem of glass, and completely revitalized downtown. We're more globally focused now. Spearheading Middle East peace talks and such. Frosty met with Hamas long before Jimmy Carter did. Next he'll be having dinner with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. There's even truth to the rumor that new Lute head coach, Scott Westering, assembled a certain Power Point often presentated by Al Gore (creater of the internet). As you can see below, he's conscientiously reduced the carbon footprint of his hair since the early 80's.

(BTW: I might need a quick refresher in using your sarcasm HMTL tags.)

[Sabretooth Tiger]

My god is there nothing that a gaggle of committed Lutherans cannot accomplish?  I stand in awe.

Paging Garrison Keillor.

[d-train]

My god is there nothing that a gaggle of committed Lutherans cannot accomplish?  I stand in awe.

Paging Garrison Keillor.

I'll tell ya one other thing (as Mr. Keillor knows well), we can throw together a whale of a potluck. Last names A-L bring a salad or dessert; M-Z bring a hot dish. Ham and coffee provided. The equation works just as well in the Republic of Georgia as it does in the state of Georgia. Attaway!

[Sabretooth Tiger]

And coming out of left field . . . zing . . . pow . . . OB strikes again . . .

Oh Pissin' in the wind, bettin' on a losing friend
Makin' the same mistakes, we swear we'll never make again
And we're pissin' in the wind, but it's blowing on all our friends
We're gonna sit and grin and tell our grandchildren

a little Jerry Jeff comes to mind . . . wonder why . . .

later dudes, gotta go work.

tooth

[OXY Oswald]

No football players available to be academic all americans?     This all started with saying that the admissons standards are much higher in the SCIAC than in the rest of the country and that is why you can not compete on the narional stage.  That is why I have referred to you as a whole.  That is why I have pointed out that if the students have to be better students to get into your institutions they should be doing as well or better in the class room and producing academic all americans then.  Seems reasonable to me why don't you see it that way? 

On your point about Fulbright and Goldwater Scholars how many of them are on the football team?  If you can not be successful because of admissions policies then you should be successful putting out good scholars. 

God, you remind me of opposing counsel who, when stranded without supporting facts or law, fall back on the tried and true "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****" theory of advocacy.

You're a lawyer aren't you?

OK, you want football reading, here it is:

http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/fball/alumni/AlumniScholars

And by the way . . . I never said that SCIAC schools could not compete on the national stage because of selective admissions standards.  What I said was that I thought that any school adopting a policy of dedicating resources for the purpose of consistently seeking to win a national D3 title in ANY sport had misplaced priorities.

tooth

A further note on Ric Fukushima, he is now attending Graduate School at the University of San Diego. 

[wildcat11]

I'd be disappointed if Oxy lowered its academic standards just so it could win some football games. Sheesh, this isn't Linfield.

OxyBob

I take total offense to that!  Our admissions departments helps out football to win A LOT OF GAMES not just some!

Just imagine how damn good our program would be if we had UWW's admission standards! 

[EastCoastStag]

I'd be disappointed if Oxy lowered its academic standards just so it could win some football games. Sheesh, this isn't Linfield.

OxyBob

I take total offense to that!  Our admissions departments helps out football to win A LOT OF GAMES not just some!

Just imagine how damn good our program would be if we had UWW's admission standards! 

HAHAHAHA... ZING!

No football players available to be academic all americans?     This all started with saying that the admissons standards are much higher in the SCIAC than in the rest of the country and that is why you can not compete on the narional stage.  That is why I have referred to you as a whole.  That is why I have pointed out that if the students have to be better students to get into your institutions they should be doing as well or better in the class room and producing academic all americans then.  Seems reasonable to me why don't you see it that way? 

On your point about Fulbright and Goldwater Scholars how many of them are on the football team?  If you can not be successful because of admissions policies then you should be successful putting out good scholars. 

God, you remind me of opposing counsel who, when stranded without supporting facts or law, fall back on the tried and true "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****" theory of advocacy.

You're a lawyer aren't you?

OK, you want football reading, here it is:

http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/fball/alumni/AlumniScholars

And by the way . . . I never said that SCIAC schools could not compete on the national stage because of selective admissions standards.  What I said was that I thought that any school adopting a policy of dedicating resources for the purpose of consistently seeking to win a national D3 title in ANY sport had misplaced priorities.

tooth

A further note on Ric Fukushima, he is now attending Graduate School at the University of San Diego. 

USD has hot chicks indeed.. wise choice for grad school.

[OXY Oswald]

I'd be disappointed if Oxy lowered its academic standards just so it could win some football games. Sheesh, this isn't Linfield.

OxyBob

I take total offense to that!  Our admissions departments helps out football to win A LOT OF GAMES not just some!

Just imagine how damn good our program would be if we had UWW's admission standards! 

HAHAHAHA... ZING!

No football players available to be academic all americans?     This all started with saying that the admissons standards are much higher in the SCIAC than in the rest of the country and that is why you can not compete on the narional stage.  That is why I have referred to you as a whole.  That is why I have pointed out that if the students have to be better students to get into your institutions they should be doing as well or better in the class room and producing academic all americans then.  Seems reasonable to me why don't you see it that way? 

On your point about Fulbright and Goldwater Scholars how many of them are on the football team?  If you can not be successful because of admissions policies then you should be successful putting out good scholars. 

God, you remind me of opposing counsel who, when stranded without supporting facts or law, fall back on the tried and true "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****" theory of advocacy.

You're a lawyer aren't you?

OK, you want football reading, here it is:

http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/fball/alumni/AlumniScholars

And by the way . . . I never said that SCIAC schools could not compete on the national stage because of selective admissions standards.  What I said was that I thought that any school adopting a policy of dedicating resources for the purpose of consistently seeking to win a national D3 title in ANY sport had misplaced priorities.

tooth

A further note on Ric Fukushima, he is now attending Graduate School at the University of San Diego. 

USD has hot chicks indeed.. wise choice for grad school.

Agreed.

USD Student Body Profile, Fall 2007
Please note that these are the most up-to-date statistics and
therefore may differ from statistics found in our publications.

Undergraduate Student Body
Total undergraduates 4,932   
Full-time undergraduates  4,754
Women 58%
Men 42%
Students of color 27%
Countries represented 42
Average age of full-time students 20
Total undergraduate alumni 28,346

And from several reliable sources, 90% of those women have, how do I say, augmented their assets.   

[stealth]

Wildcat,
Nice shot across the bow but you could have zero admissions standards next year and still not be in the top 25 in the country for football. Let alone beat the likes of Mt. Union, MHB, UWW, Central, Wabash, Bethel, St. Johns, Capital, Trinity, Whitworth, Redlands, etc. It's a simple process. Talent is cyclical. Teams win and get to reload. You loose and get to whine and watch Sound familiar ?


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I'd be disappointed if Oxy lowered its academic standards just so it could win some football games. Sheesh, this isn't Linfield.

OxyBob

I take total offense to that!  Our admissions departments helps out football to win A LOT OF GAMES not just some!

Just imagine how damn good our program would be if we had UWW's admission standards! 
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[wildcat11]

Wildcat,
Nice shot across the bow but you could have zero admissions standards next year and still not be in the top 25 in the country for football. Let alone beat the likes of Mt. Union, MHB, UWW, Central, Wabash, Bethel, St. Johns, Capital, Trinity, Whitworth, Redlands, etc. It's a simple process. Talent is cyclical. Teams win and get to reload. You loose and get to whine and watch Sound familiar ?

I'm not worried about it.  We'll rise from the ashes of our 6-3 season and be back in the playoffs quicker than a SCIAC quarterback can move out to Wisconsin. 

[snoop dawg]

wc11....how about Minnesota?