FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Knightstalker]

I don't believe D-III has a roster cap, but some conferences limit the number of players on a roster.

[wildcat11]

80 recruits reminds me, what is the roster size cap, or is there?
I seem to have forgotten whether or not there is a cap in DIII. Figure the board must know something about this. Also begs the question, at what point would the SCIAC consider have JV or would JV be possible in SoCal? Most likely not... works back East due to the plethora of prep schools with a PG year. But, considering the JCs have their own league, a JV system might not be the best idea out here.

I believe Stalker is spot on.  The roster size is dependant from conference to conference.  However, I think most schools will limit their rosters to a set number to also help stay Title IX compliant.  That's one reason why SJU has a massive roster...no chicks (Yes, I know St. Ben's is a short bus ride away)

[janesvilleflash]

Looks like a Wisconsin-like crowd in your avatar pic OB.

[Fear the Poet]

damn..80 recruits??  They gonna have B, C and JV squad?

[Fear the Poet]

OB,  You missed part of the article.

"The real decider though,  is that I will get to be a teammate with LR"

Speaking of Little Ricky aka Brandon Wilcox, he got a mention in the Whittier school newspaper Quaker Campus:

Football joins track & field

What do helmets, hurdles, high jump, hoops and hammer throws all have in common, besides all beginning with the letter "h?" This year's men's track and field team knows about each of them. Of the 20 male athletes involved in track and field, over half the team members played football, while one member played basketball and another played soccer this past fall.
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The rigorous schedule for these football and track and field athletes makes them all the more dedicated. "The guys that play football and run for the track team are some elite athletes, as they train Monday through Friday 4:30-8:30 p.m. and often miss dinners on Tuesdays and Wednesdays," sophomore Matt Gocke said. "For football, weight lifting is voluntary, but it is so crucial for football that my teammates willfully make it mandatory and it has shown on the track and football field."

These athletes include senior football players Christopher Gartrell and Randall Dean and basketball player Vernon Covington, all of whom will graduate in May. Junior Ryan Munoz plays defensive back for the Poets and also runs sprints, while junior Chris Martinez plays defensive line and is a thrower for track and field.
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However, the majority of the multi-sport athletes are this year's first-years, who include Brad Seitz, Jonathon Brasfield, Brandon Wilcox, James Oliver and David Vargas.

"In the 23 years I've been a coach in the Poet track and field program, it is true our most successful teams have been the teams enjoying large numbers of multi-sport athletes, particularly cross-country, football and basketball student-athletes," Assistant Head Coach Greg Phillips said.

Wilcox explains he has always enjoyed each individual sport. "I had a passion for track all throughout high school, and after football, when Coach Hogan asked me to try track and field again, I thought it was a great opportunity," Wilcox said. "Coach Hogan likes to keep us in shape, so we do a lot of running, which pays off in football, and as long as I remain devoted to my weightlifting and stay prepared for next football season, both coaches fully support me."
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OxyBob

thanks bob..

[SnowLeopard]

I don't believe D-III has a roster cap, but some conferences limit the number of players on a roster.

Redlands always has 100 guys suited up for home games. 25 of them play. The other 75 stand on the sidelines and yell "Pass!" and hold their helmets up in the air on kickoffs.

OxyBob

Couldn't have said it better myself.  One of the reasons why I said no thanks to the 'dawgs. I spent enough time as a scout teamer in high school and wasn't willing to wait a few years on the sidelines in the desert.

[RFB]

I don't believe D-III has a roster cap, but some conferences limit the number of players on a roster.

Redlands always has 100 guys suited up for home games. 25 of them play. The other 75 stand on the sidelines and yell "Pass!" and hold their helmets up in the air on kickoffs.

OxyBob

This is true, but the number that plays is around 35. The luxury of having numbers like that is there is huge competition for special teams play. It's a good luxury to have as a program.

[Klopenhiemer]

I don't believe D-III has a roster cap, but some conferences limit the number of players on a roster.

Redlands always has 100 guys suited up for home games. 25 of them play. The other 75 stand on the sidelines and yell "Pass!" and hold their helmets up in the air on kickoffs.

OxyBob

This is true, but the number that plays is around 35. The luxury of having numbers like that is there is huge competition for special teams play. It's a good luxury to have as a program.

How does this compare to other teams in the SIAC?  When you think about it, that is typicall of most football teams.  Large numbers and at times only a few kids playing.  If you really think about specail teams, how many spots are they really looking for. 

PAT Team:  Comprised mostly of the O-line and few skill positions
PAT Block:  Comprised mostly of "D" and a few skill positions
Punt Team:  This could be a team where you see a lot of kids playing
Punt Return:  Outside of the returners, you could see a lot of kids making this team
Kick Off/Kick Return:  Outside of the returners, again many spots open for kids
Hands Team:  The best 11 hands on the team make it. 

For sake of arguement lets just say another 20 kids play on these teams who are not starters on offense or deffense.  If math serves me correct, that is 42 kids playing for a team.  Maybe more maybe less.  Lets say the average roster size is 80 to 100 kids.  When you do the math, half the kids are standing on the sidelines yell "PASS" and shaking their helmets during kick offs. 

[DutchFan2004]

I don't believe D-III has a roster cap, but some conferences limit the number of players on a roster.

Redlands always has 100 guys suited up for home games. 25 of them play. The other 75 stand on the sidelines and yell "Pass!" and hold their helmets up in the air on kickoffs.

OxyBob

This is true, but the number that plays is around 35. The luxury of having numbers like that is there is huge competition for special teams play. It's a good luxury to have as a program.

Those special teamers also are backups I would be willing to bet.  That gives them playing time and game speed experience.  That has to help with the development of younger players.  I think it also bonds a team closer together the more guys that are contributing. 

[doolittledog]

I don't believe D-III has a roster cap, but some conferences limit the number of players on a roster.

Redlands always has 100 guys suited up for home games. 25 of them play. The other 75 stand on the sidelines and yell "Pass!" and hold their helmets up in the air on kickoffs.

OxyBob

This is true, but the number that plays is around 35. The luxury of having numbers like that is there is huge competition for special teams play. It's a good luxury to have as a program.

How does this compare to other teams in the SIAC?  When you think about it, that is typicall of most football teams.  Large numbers and at times only a few kids playing.  If you really think about specail teams, how many spots are they really looking for. 

PAT Team:  Comprised mostly of the O-line and few skill positions
PAT Block:  Comprised mostly of "D" and a few skill positions
Punt Team:  This could be a team where you see a lot of kids playing
Punt Return:  Outside of the returners, you could see a lot of kids making this team
Kick Off/Kick Return:  Outside of the returners, again many spots open for kids
Hands Team:  The best 11 hands on the team make it. 

For sake of arguement lets just say another 20 kids play on these teams who are not starters on offense or deffense.  If math serves me correct, that is 42 kids playing for a team.  Maybe more maybe less.  Lets say the average roster size is 80 to 100 kids.   When you do the math, half the kids are standing on the sidelines yell "PASS" and shaking their helmets during kick offs. 

If Redlands is bringing in 80 freshmen...and you lose half every year you would still have a roster of 150, yikes!!!

[RFB]

I don't believe D-III has a roster cap, but some conferences limit the number of players on a roster.

Redlands always has 100 guys suited up for home games. 25 of them play. The other 75 stand on the sidelines and yell "Pass!" and hold their helmets up in the air on kickoffs.

OxyBob

This is true, but the number that plays is around 35. The luxury of having numbers like that is there is huge competition for special teams play. It's a good luxury to have as a program.

Those special teamers also are backups I would be willing to bet.  That gives them playing time and game speed experience.  That has to help with the development of younger players.  I think it also bonds a team closer together the more guys that are contributing. 

DF2004,

You're exactly right. My playing time at Redlands consisted of special teams and being the nickel back. I backed up a very talented safety during my time at Redlands but I still found a way onto the field and a way to contribute. When you're on all four special teams you're still playing significantly. I loved being a special teams demon.

[RFB]

I don't believe D-III has a roster cap, but some conferences limit the number of players on a roster.

Redlands always has 100 guys suited up for home games. 25 of them play. The other 75 stand on the sidelines and yell "Pass!" and hold their helmets up in the air on kickoffs.

OxyBob

This is true, but the number that plays is around 35. The luxury of having numbers like that is there is huge competition for special teams play. It's a good luxury to have as a program.

How does this compare to other teams in the SIAC?  When you think about it, that is typicall of most football teams.  Large numbers and at times only a few kids playing.  If you really think about specail teams, how many spots are they really looking for. 

PAT Team:  Comprised mostly of the O-line and few skill positions
PAT Block:  Comprised mostly of "D" and a few skill positions
Punt Team:  This could be a team where you see a lot of kids playing
Punt Return:  Outside of the returners, you could see a lot of kids making this team
Kick Off/Kick Return:  Outside of the returners, again many spots open for kids
Hands Team:  The best 11 hands on the team make it. 

For sake of arguement lets just say another 20 kids play on these teams who are not starters on offense or deffense.  If math serves me correct, that is 42 kids playing for a team.  Maybe more maybe less.  Lets say the average roster size is 80 to 100 kids.   When you do the math, half the kids are standing on the sidelines yell "PASS" and shaking their helmets during kick offs. 

If Redlands is bringing in 80 freshmen...and you lose half every year you would still have a roster of 150, yikes!!!

When I was at Redlands we had around 125-135 players in fall camp every year. Two weeks of intense football mixed in with the IE heat has a way of getting the numbers down.

[Fear the Poet]

i thought 80 sounded like a huge number, but I was told last night that we have 60 coming in.

[DutchFan2004]

I don't believe D-III has a roster cap, but some conferences limit the number of players on a roster.

Redlands always has 100 guys suited up for home games. 25 of them play. The other 75 stand on the sidelines and yell "Pass!" and hold their helmets up in the air on kickoffs.

OxyBob

This is true, but the number that plays is around 35. The luxury of having numbers like that is there is huge competition for special teams play. It's a good luxury to have as a program.

Those special teamers also are backups I would be willing to bet.  That gives them playing time and game speed experience.  That has to help with the development of younger players.  I think it also bonds a team closer together the more guys that are contributing. 

DF2004,

You're exactly right. My playing time at Redlands consisted of special teams and being the nickel back. I backed up a very talented safety during my time at Redlands but I still found a way onto the field and a way to contribute. When you're on all four special teams you're still playing significantly. I loved being a special teams demon.

IMHO that is what makes football such a great game.  No matter what position it is they all have to do their jobs to win. If you are the MVP of the team you don't win games unless all the others do their jobs.  The more players that play and get involved the better.  One player can not win the game for a team the great running back needs good blocks to gain the yards.  The QB needs the line to block to pass the ball and then the receivers have to catch the ball.  The defense needs to stop the other team.  The FG kicker needs a good snap, good hold, and then kick the ball straight all while the lines blocks.  The kicker needs a good long kick and a cover team to do their job and stop the return.  The punter needs the same thing.  To be a winning team it takes all working together to win.  You are right RFB in that role players are as much of a part of the team as the stars.  Without the guys willing to get dirty and do jobs that do not get a lot of recognition the team will not be successful.  Now a days it takes a lot of players to make a successful team.  There are injuries to consider as well.

[RFB]

i thought 80 sounded like a huge number, but I was told last night that we have 60 coming in.

Awesome! I've always said the key to Whittier growing as a program is coaching stability. Sounds like Coach Hammer is working hard and getting some good talent. I'm curious who will get the nod at QB. Whoever it is he will have some big shoes to fill.