FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[footballfan413]

Agree that pure stats favor a private school champion every year but if the arguement holds water that state schools hold such a huge advantage over privates because of larger enrollment and lower standards when it comes to recruiting, just seems like that would translate to more success at the elte level than we have seen over the last 35 years. 

[EastCoastStag]

Agree that pure stats favor a private school champion every year but if the arguement holds water that state schools hold such a huge advantage over privates because of larger enrollment and lower standards when it comes to recruiting, just seems like that would translate to more success at the elte level than we have seen over the last 35 years. 

Reason: guestimating less than 15% of D3 football teams are public. And, the vast majority of them are in WI. Since that is traditionally one of the most competitive leagues, only one team will advance (typically due to the conference beating themselves up all year long). And, if lets say even two advance, the road faced will be hard, especially with such programs as StJohns, MUC, Wesley, MHB, etc. If there were public schools in all, or at least the majority of the conferences, then you can make the claim that one should see better performance. And, if I am correct, there has also been a juggling of teams and competition, who was in what divisions, NAIA, scholarships etc. to expand D3 to where it is now. But, mostly I think it is the fact that the majority of the public schools in D3 (football) spend the regular season playing each other. That's all.

[footballfan413]

Agree that pure stats favor a private school champion every year but if the arguement holds water that state schools hold such a huge advantage over privates because of larger enrollment and lower standards when it comes to recruiting, just seems like that would translate to more success at the elte level than we have seen over the last 35 years. 

Reason: guestimating less than 15% of D3 football teams are public. And, the vast majority of them are in WI. Since that is traditionally one of the most competitive leagues, only one team will advance (typically due to the conference beating themselves up all year long). And, if lets say even two advance, the road faced will be hard, especially with such programs as StJohns, MUC, Wesley, MHB, etc. If there were public schools in all, or at least the majority of the conferences, then you can make the claim that one should see better performance. And, if I am correct, there has also been a juggling of teams and competition, who was in what divisions, NAIA, scholarships etc. to expand D3 to where it is now. But, mostly I think it is the fact that the majority of the public schools in D3 (football) spend the regular season playing each other. That's all.

Makes perfect sense.  I did not take into consideration that the WIAC is considered the strongest conference in D3 and the road to Salem goes through the West Region which is considered by many, including the NCAA selection committee, as the toughest region. Guess that is a lot for even lower tuition and lower academic standards to overcome!   

[Ralph Turner]

I think that another way to evaluate the WIAC is that they (and the NJAC to a degree) would be a D-II conference in almost any other area of the country.

The wisdom of the Presidents of the WIAC was to see the D-III model as the way to conduct their intercollegiate athletic programs across the state in an area in which they are the dominant (public) higher education model.

I know in the south that we D-III fans would not relish seeing the Lone Star Conference, (West Texas A&M, Tarleton State, Midwestern (TX) State, SE Okie St, East Central Oklahoma, etc) or the Great South Conference (Valdosta State, North Alabama or Delta State, etc.) competing in D-III.

The Lone Star Conference of the early 1970's (a peer conference of the Wisconsin State University Conference) included now D-III's Howard Payne, McMurry and Sul Ross State, now FCS's Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin State and (Southwest) Texas State - San Marcos and current D-II's Angelo State, Tarleton State, Abilene Christian, A&M-Commerce and A&M-Kingsville.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Agree that pure stats favor a private school champion every year but if the arguement holds water that state schools hold such a huge advantage over privates because of larger enrollment and lower standards when it comes to recruiting, just seems like that would translate to more success at the elte level than we have seen over the last 35 years. 

Reason: guestimating less than 15% of D3 football teams are public. And, the vast majority of them are in WI. Since that is traditionally one of the most competitive leagues, only one team will advance (typically due to the conference beating themselves up all year long). And, if lets say even two advance, the road faced will be hard, especially with such programs as StJohns, MUC, Wesley, MHB, etc. If there were public schools in all, or at least the majority of the conferences, then you can make the claim that one should see better performance. And, if I am correct, there has also been a juggling of teams and competition, who was in what divisions, NAIA, scholarships etc. to expand D3 to where it is now. But, mostly I think it is the fact that the majority of the public schools in D3 (football) spend the regular season playing each other. That's all.

Actually, in the east region there are 63 schools (only 53 if the NESCAC is omitted, since they disdain the playoffs) - of them at least 19 are publics (10 in NJAC, 8 in NEFC-Bogan, plus SUNY-Maritime - did I omit anyone).

Re: an earlier post: the (men's) basketball final four has long been in Salem and I know of no plans to relocate.  (I'd add that you'd know that if your team ever made it there, but that would be too cruel! )

BTW, Pat or anyone: does the 239 number include or exclude the NESCAC, since they spurn the playoffs (or even non-conference games).

[OzJohnnie]

The Four Yorkshiremen.

[Pat Coleman]

We count them in the 239 because we commit to ranking them.

[Mr. Ypsi]

We count them in the 239 because we commit to ranking them.

It probably wouldn't change anything either way, but do you know if the NCAA counts them in calculating the 'access ratio'?

[D O.C.]

who is 32, esentially unemployed, and focused on having fun and a good time when he graduated, and that now has absolutely zero professional opportunities open to him.

Same guy lives in DO.C.'s home - plus locks his door when he's out playing.(there's no reason for wives to start reading the boards this year, is there?)

We still can hope for a Pomona vs Amherst football GAME.

I wonder...do the OAC (and ANYDODY) relish beating the pants off of Mount Union College in basketball?

[Mr. Ypsi]

The Four Yorkshiremen.

Or, to OxyBob, the offensive line at MUC (or is it UWW?)!

[OzJohnnie]

The Four Yorkshiremen.

Or, to OxyBob, the offensive line at MUC (or is it UWW?)!

My target wasn't that specific.  I make no claims as to which schools are sharing the stage, but I'll take the presumptuous position in the audience.

[Mr. Ypsi]

We still can hope for a Pomona vs Amherst football GAME.

I wonder...do the OAC (and ANYDODY) relish beating the pants off of Mount Union College in basketball?

Line 1: Good luck - the NESCAC not only declines the playoffs, they decline nonconference games - IMO, they are not actually in d3 in football.

Line 2: Not sure, but doubtful - they are downright mediocre to bad in most sports, which makes the incessant 'move 'em to d2' talk so funny.  Since schools can't pick and choose levels by sport (except for a few 'grandfathered' programs in hockey, lacrosse, etc.), they'd be totally up a creek in everything but football.

[janesvilleflash]

[Ralph Turner]

The off-season drags on and KICKOFF won't be released for another 2 weeks... 

[EastCoastStag]

Re: an earlier post: the (men's) basketball final four has long been in Salem and I know of no plans to relocate.  (I'd add that you'd know that if your team ever made it there, but that would be too cruel! )

See, you were trying to be funny by including something you were pretending to abstain from saying... cute.
You get a B+ for execution and an F for creativity. Even RFB's comment about Scripps football players was more humorous and better executed.
My passion for basketball went as far as the Pomona and Oxy games.