FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[EastCoastStag]

Well after reading several of your responses, I've come to realize I was wrong.

I thought it was Azusa Pacific that ran from the SCIAC teams, but by what is being said on here, it was the SCIAC teams that ran.

I don't buy the argument that those regional games are good for alumni and "parents travel well."  Football, and any collegiate sport, exists first and foremost for the students and faculty/staff in order to create and enhance community on campus, then the parents and alumni matter after that.  It doesn't do the students and faculty/staff any good for a small college to blow a significant amount of $$$ so that 55 guys can travel out of the area to play a football game where there are ample opponents in the area.  That's just poor fiscal responsibility.

I also don't buy the argument from OxyBob that it helps recruiting.  Oxy has one Oregon player on the team, and if I read you right, Oxy has never been to Washington but has 9 appleheads on their team.  Oxy isn't getting the bang for its buck, or your logic is flawed.  Or maybe both.

Finally, since when was the SCIAC so interested in the postseason that it's dropping serious bank to fly all over and play patsies.  What is the SCIAC's collective postseason record in football?  Not good.  Might as well stay in Southern California so the students, faculty/staff and even the president can attend the games.

I've come to the conclusion that SCIAC football coaches have an incestious relationship, and maybe the ADs and presidents are all in on it too.  It's too bad. It only hurts the SCIAC and enhances everyone's opinion in the DIII world that the SCIAC is a poor athletic conference.  To steal a line from someone on here, I don't know why SCIAC schools have football.

I refuse to dignify your ignorance of the purpose of D3 football and athletics with a response.

[wildcat11]

Well after reading several of your responses, I've come to realize I was wrong.

I thought it was Azusa Pacific that ran from the SCIAC teams, but by what is being said on here, it was the SCIAC teams that ran.

I don't buy the argument that those regional games are good for alumni and "parents travel well."  Football, and any collegiate sport, exists first and foremost for the students and faculty/staff in order to create and enhance community on campus, then the parents and alumni matter after that.  It doesn't do the students and faculty/staff any good for a small college to blow a significant amount of $$$ so that 55 guys can travel out of the area to play a football game where there are ample opponents in the area.  That's just poor fiscal responsibility.

I also don't buy the argument from OxyBob that it helps recruiting.  Oxy has one Oregon player on the team, and if I read you right, Oxy has never been to Washington but has 9 appleheads on their team.  Oxy isn't getting the bang for its buck, or your logic is flawed.  Or maybe both.

Finally, since when was the SCIAC so interested in the postseason that it's dropping serious bank to fly all over and play patsies.  What is the SCIAC's collective postseason record in football?  Not good.  Might as well stay in Southern California so the students, faculty/staff and even the president can attend the games.

I've come to the conclusion that SCIAC football coaches have an incestious relationship, and maybe the ADs and presidents are all in on it too.  It's too bad. It only hurts the SCIAC and enhances everyone's opinion in the DIII world that the SCIAC is a poor athletic conference.  To steal a line from someone on here, I don't know why SCIAC schools have football.

I refuse to dignify your ignorance of the purpose of D3 football and athletics with a response.

If Linfield could dump their non-DIII games for DIII games I would encourage them to do it in a heartbeat.  Playing non-DIII games in football does ZERO good to help your post-season bid and can only hurt if you lose to a NAIA school.  I don’t blame the SCIAC schools one bit for not playing APU.  Doesn’t do them any good.

This guy is just bitter that APU fields good talent but is held hostage each season by their incredibly difficult schedule where they have to fly all over the country to play stiff teams in various divisions and that usually leads to losses.  I’d be pissed too.

If APU went DII they would still in the same bind with travel.  The only solution for their football program would to become a DIII member and that will not happen when APU is so successful as a whole athletic program in the NAIA.  APU football is stuck out on an island.  Sucks but that's the way it is buddy.

[DAW]

FTP, DAW and ECS are going to the Whittier - Menlo game. Anyone else? I hope to meet up with you.

Purple and Gold Booster will be setting up a tailgate party before the game.  You wont miss us (at least FTP and DAW!)  We'll be the one sporting the Team Jersey with the BIG # 63 on it!!  (and if you can't find us just listen for the yelling  ... I've been told a time or two that I have somewhat of a Loud Voice!! )
(Sorry ECS no LR buttons to hand out but if you want we'll Bring you a Fear the Poet Shirt to wear... They'll know your're with us!!)

GO POETS!!

[OXY Oswald]

Here's an article written by our favorite reportrix from the Redlands Daily Facts. Nothing about "chalk blocks" or "fumblerooskies," but there are some nice photos and the article is chock-full of really banal coach-speak from Mike Maynard: Bulldogs pillage Pirates

Quote: "(Whitworth head coach) John Tully does a really great job of preparing his kids and they had a great plan against us," said UR head coach Mike Maynard. "Fortunately we were able to execute our plan."
Translation: "We knew exactly what they were going to do from the opening kickoff. We ran over them like they were Lewis & Clark."

Quote: "We just weren't quite as sharp in the third quarter," Maynard said. "We didn't come out and execute as well."
Translation: "Our scrubs were in there."

Quote: "La Verne is very much improved, particularly in their throwing and running game and their offensive line is strong," Maynard said. "They also play a non-traditional defense, which is going to take a whole lot of time for us to figure out."
Translation: "They won't score, and the game will be over by the end of the first quarter."

OxyBob

Quote: "We play well as a team. Each of us is doing one-eleventh of our job and it comes together," said UR defensive end Brock Arndt.

I didn't know they taught fractions at UoR 

[EastCoastStag]

FTP, DAW and ECS are going to the Whittier - Menlo game. Anyone else? I hope to meet up with you.

(Sorry ECS no LR buttons to hand out but if you want we'll Bring you a Fear the Poet Shirt to wear... They'll know your're with us!!)

Probably a good idea. ECS only wears his "Fear the Stag" t-shirt in singles bars.

OxyBob

Not in this city... some leggy girl named Ted would attempt to pick me up. HA!

But I still do use my plethora of tshirts.

[MonroviaCat]

Shouldn't they each be doing their entire job....I mean 1/11th per guy equates to 1 full person.....  

[Browneagle64]

Here's an article written by our favorite reportrix from the Redlands Daily Facts. Nothing about "chalk blocks" or "fumblerooskies," but there are some nice photos and the article is chock-full of really banal coach-speak from Mike Maynard: Bulldogs pillage Pirates

Quote: "(Whitworth head coach) John Tully does a really great job of preparing his kids and they had a great plan against us," said UR head coach Mike Maynard. "Fortunately we were able to execute our plan."
Translation: "We knew exactly what they were going to do from the opening kickoff. We ran over them like they were Lewis & Clark."

Quote: "We just weren't quite as sharp in the third quarter," Maynard said. "We didn't come out and execute as well."
Translation: "Our scrubs were in there."

Quote: "La Verne is very much improved, particularly in their throwing and running game and their offensive line is strong," Maynard said. "They also play a non-traditional defense, which is going to take a whole lot of time for us to figure out."
Translation: "They won't score, and the game will be over by the end of the first quarter."

OxyBob

Quote: "We play well as a team. Each of us is doing one-eleventh of our job and it comes together," said UR defensive end Brock Arndt.

I didn't know they taught fractions at UoR 

Hey Oz, according to their course catalog Elementary Math is needed by all UoR students in order to graduate. In this case, Elementary math literally means elementary. (hahaha, just kidding. No piss match intended)

[OXY Oswald]

Quote: "We play well as a team. Each of us is doing one-eleventh of our job and it comes together," said UR defensive end Brock Arndt.

I didn't know they taught fractions at UoR 

Fractions can be confusing. Let's try something simpler...

If Redlands plays Oxy in football, and Redlands loses to Oxy in 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007, then how many straight seasons have the Bulldogs lost to the Tigers?

OxyBob

Sixteen-fourth's   

[Fear the Poet]

Quote: "We play well as a team. Each of us is doing one-eleventh of our job and it comes together," said UR defensive end Brock Arndt.

I didn't know they taught fractions at UoR 

Fractions can be confusing. Let's try something simpler...

If Redlands plays Oxy in football, and Redlands loses to Oxy in 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007, then how many straight seasons have the Bulldogs lost to the Tigers?

OxyBob

lets simplify it it even further. If Occidental has one pair of shoes, and Whittier takes them away, how many pairs of shoes does Oxy have left?

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Well after reading several of your responses, I've come to realize I was wrong.

I thought it was Azusa Pacific that ran from the SCIAC teams, but by what is being said on here, it was the SCIAC teams that ran.

I don't buy the argument that those regional games are good for alumni and "parents travel well."  Football, and any collegiate sport, exists first and foremost for the students and faculty/staff in order to create and enhance community on campus, then the parents and alumni matter after that.  It doesn't do the students and faculty/staff any good for a small college to blow a significant amount of $$$ so that 55 guys can travel out of the area to play a football game where there are ample opponents in the area.  That's just poor fiscal responsibility.

I also don't buy the argument from OxyBob that it helps recruiting.  Oxy has one Oregon player on the team, and if I read you right, Oxy has never been to Washington but has 9 appleheads on their team.  Oxy isn't getting the bang for its buck, or your logic is flawed.  Or maybe both.

Finally, since when was the SCIAC so interested in the postseason that it's dropping serious bank to fly all over and play patsies.  What is the SCIAC's collective postseason record in football?  Not good.  Might as well stay in Southern California so the students, faculty/staff and even the president can attend the games.

I've come to the conclusion that SCIAC football coaches have an incestious relationship, and maybe the ADs and presidents are all in on it too.  It's too bad. It only hurts the SCIAC and enhances everyone's opinion in the DIII world that the SCIAC is a poor athletic conference.  To steal a line from someone on here, I don't know why SCIAC schools have football.

I think the only thing you got right was your opening sentence about how wrong you are.

I thought it was Azusa Pacific that ran from the SCIAC teams, but by what is being said on here, it was the SCIAC teams that ran.

What makes you think anyone "ran" from anyone?

I don't buy the argument that those regional games are good for alumni and "parents travel well."  Football, and any collegiate sport, exists first and foremost for the students and faculty/staff in order to create and enhance community on campus, then the parents and alumni matter after that.  It doesn't do the students and faculty/staff any good for a small college to blow a significant amount of $$$ so that 55 guys can travel out of the area to play a football game where there are ample opponents in the area.  That's just poor fiscal responsibility.

Football is part of the overall college community and experience, as are all athletics.  Is your statement about "poor fiscal responsibility" based on your substantial experience in small liberal arts college leadership, advancement, admissions, alumni relations, and budgeting?  Or do you "not buy the argument" on the same basis that some people don't "buy" that the earth is round?

I also don't buy the argument from OxyBob that it helps recruiting.  Oxy has one Oregon player on the team, and if I read you right, Oxy has never been to Washington but has 9 appleheads on their team.  Oxy isn't getting the bang for its buck, or your logic is flawed.  Or maybe both.

You want to talk about "flawed logic?"  Maybe you should take a basic course, or at least give a moment of thought to your presumptions.  Let me ask you this, for instance . . . do you think that any kid growing up on So Cal and thinking about playing at a SCIAC school would be more interested in travel to Azusa or to Oregon?  Just wondering?  Do you think that trips out of town are designed to recruit HS players where the game is played?  That based on years of experience in D3 athletics and recruiting?  Or this argument also based on ignorance of the facts? 

Finally, since when was the SCIAC so interested in the postseason that it's dropping serious bank to fly all over and play patsies.  What is the SCIAC's collective postseason record in football?  Not good.  Might as well stay in Southern California so the students, faculty/staff and even the president can attend the games.

I know that people view Oxy as playing "patsies" but since when can Redlands be accused of that? And of course there is the whole value of playing a DIII opponent as opposed to a non-DIII opponent to consider . . . but that might require some thought/reflection.

I've come to the conclusion that SCIAC football coaches have an incestious relationship, and maybe the ADs and presidents are all in on it too.  It's too bad. It only hurts the SCIAC and enhances everyone's opinion in the DIII world that the SCIAC is a poor athletic conference.  To steal a line from someone on here, I don't know why SCIAC schools have football.

Wow . . . I never thought of that . . . it is a vast conspiracy of the ADs and Presidents of SCIAC institutions to ruin SCIAC athletics, and football in particular.  Thank you so much for adding value to the SCIAC board. Perhaps now you can return to your home under the bridge with the rest of the trolls.

[EastCoastStag]

Thank you Tooth.

My thoughts exactly.

[Gig Harbor Cat]

Take it to Oprah

Lets play some football

[Browneagle64]

Well after reading several of your responses, I've come to realize I was wrong.

I thought it was Azusa Pacific that ran from the SCIAC teams, but by what is being said on here, it was the SCIAC teams that ran.

I don't buy the argument that those regional games are good for alumni and "parents travel well."  Football, and any collegiate sport, exists first and foremost for the students and faculty/staff in order to create and enhance community on campus, then the parents and alumni matter after that.  It doesn't do the students and faculty/staff any good for a small college to blow a significant amount of $$$ so that 55 guys can travel out of the area to play a football game where there are ample opponents in the area.  That's just poor fiscal responsibility.

I also don't buy the argument from OxyBob that it helps recruiting.  Oxy has one Oregon player on the team, and if I read you right, Oxy has never been to Washington but has 9 appleheads on their team.  Oxy isn't getting the bang for its buck, or your logic is flawed.  Or maybe both.

Finally, since when was the SCIAC so interested in the postseason that it's dropping serious bank to fly all over and play patsies.  What is the SCIAC's collective postseason record in football?  Not good.  Might as well stay in Southern California so the students, faculty/staff and even the president can attend the games.

I've come to the conclusion that SCIAC football coaches have an incestious relationship, and maybe the ADs and presidents are all in on it too.  It's too bad. It only hurts the SCIAC and enhances everyone's opinion in the DIII world that the SCIAC is a poor athletic conference.  To steal a line from someone on here, I don't know why SCIAC schools have football.

I think the only thing you got right was your opening sentence about how wrong you are.

I thought it was Azusa Pacific that ran from the SCIAC teams, but by what is being said on here, it was the SCIAC teams that ran.

What makes you think anyone "ran" from anyone?

I don't buy the argument that those regional games are good for alumni and "parents travel well."  Football, and any collegiate sport, exists first and foremost for the students and faculty/staff in order to create and enhance community on campus, then the parents and alumni matter after that.  It doesn't do the students and faculty/staff any good for a small college to blow a significant amount of $$$ so that 55 guys can travel out of the area to play a football game where there are ample opponents in the area.  That's just poor fiscal responsibility.

Football is part of the overall college community and experience, as are all athletics.  Is your statement about "poor fiscal responsibility" based on your substantial experience in small liberal arts college leadership, advancement, admissions, alumni relations, and budgeting?  Or do you "not buy the argument" on the same basis that some people don't "buy" that the earth is round?

I also don't buy the argument from OxyBob that it helps recruiting.  Oxy has one Oregon player on the team, and if I read you right, Oxy has never been to Washington but has 9 appleheads on their team.  Oxy isn't getting the bang for its buck, or your logic is flawed.  Or maybe both.

You want to talk about "flawed logic?"  Maybe you should take a basic course, or at least give a moment of thought to your presumptions.  Let me ask you this, for instance . . . do you think that any kid growing up on So Cal and thinking about playing at a SCIAC school would be more interested in travel to Azusa or to Oregon?  Just wondering?  Do you think that trips out of town are designed to recruit HS players where the game is played?  That based on years of experience in D3 athletics and recruiting?  Or this argument also based on ignorance of the facts? 

Finally, since when was the SCIAC so interested in the postseason that it's dropping serious bank to fly all over and play patsies.  What is the SCIAC's collective postseason record in football?  Not good.  Might as well stay in Southern California so the students, faculty/staff and even the president can attend the games.

I know that people view Oxy as playing "patsies" but since when can Redlands be accused of that? And of course there is the whole value of playing a DIII opponent as opposed to a non-DIII opponent to consider . . . but that might require some thought/reflection.

I've come to the conclusion that SCIAC football coaches have an incestious relationship, and maybe the ADs and presidents are all in on it too.  It's too bad. It only hurts the SCIAC and enhances everyone's opinion in the DIII world that the SCIAC is a poor athletic conference.  To steal a line from someone on here, I don't know why SCIAC schools have football.

Wow . . . I never thought of that . . . it is a vast conspiracy of the ADs and Presidents of SCIAC institutions to ruin SCIAC athletics, and football in particular.  Thank you so much for adding value to the SCIAC board. Perhaps now you can return to your home under the bridge with the rest of the trolls.

Tooth, This is why I told the Newbie to do his homework.

[Browneagle64]

Take it to Oprah

Lets play some football

Lol
Lol, take it to Oprah during the offseason, where she will be happy to hand you some tissue after we discover that this whole thing on scheduling APU really doesn't mean anything for the SCIAC

[CalSon]

Okay, I'll do some research.  And since none of you would offer, I called APU today and asked them to fax me their all-time results. 

Here's what I found out.  Cal Lutheran could not have dropped Azusa Pacific because of Christian Okoye, as someone suggested.  Despite Okoye rushing for nearly 250, Cal Lutheran still won the game by three TDs, and in the years to come they beat APU 5 more times.

La Verne beat Azusa Pacific 47-7 in 1994 and then 51-17 in 1995.  Numbers like those belie the notion about APU scholarship dollars giving them a significant advantage.   I see that APU did beat Redlands, 56-30, in 2000 and hasn't played them since, so perhaps all of you are onto something about Redlands ducking Linfield.

None of you have adequately explained how it does no good for a SCIAC team to play APU.  You just keep repeating the same nonsensical line without any reasoning.  I've offered two valid reasons why they should play:  1) It allows students and faculty/staff to enjoy more local games, and athletics exists first and foremost at DIII for the school.  2) It's fiscally irresponsible, particularly in today's economy, to spend that kind of money on a football game.

And if it's so important to travel today for the sake of recruiting, why weren't SCIAC teams traveling as much 15 years ago.  What culture changed?  Oh yes, the postseason suddenly became important to the SCIAC.  Please, one of you enlightened people spend the time to research what a stellar postseason record the SCIAC has compiled in football since 1982.  Spending all the travel money where 30 parents go along and one recruit gets his dream wish to play in Salem, Oregon, has paid off ever so handsomely for the SCIAC postseason endeavors.

I could care less about APU's schedule challenges.  My focus is more on why SCIAC teams don't play them anymore (oh I forgot, "they don't need to").  When doing my "research" as you demanded, and I received some historical information from APU, I did ask one official as to why they didn't play SCIAC teams any more.  His response was that they would like to but for some reason the SCIAC schools have stopped, and three of them (Whittier, La Verne and Chapman – included in the list), went so far as to cancel signed contracts to get out of games. 

Finally, yes I do have many years of collegiate administrative experience in the SCIAC, more than most of you have been alive.  I know what I speak of, and my request is sincere.  Justify, if you can, why all the small liberal arts colleges in Southern California aren't playing each other in football.