FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[DutchFan2004]

Don't misunderstand I am not advocating that the penalty be declined.  To win the game at that point in time you needed two scores anyway.  If at that point with a change in momentum the Bulldogs could have scored a TD to take the lead rather than tie with a decline and penalty. 

[Oxy Fan]

With all the talk of Redlands' D and Oxy's O, I think the difference in the game is going to come down to the two less heralded squads on each team.

The Oxy D has really stepped it up and completely controlled the second half of the game.  I was especially impressed by how the Oxy players kept their focus with all of the game's twists and turns, bad calls and missed opportunities.

Here is a link to a few photos I took of the game http://gallery.me.com/aybates#100031

[DutchFan2004]

XIII. Team A's untouched punt from its end zone goes out of bounds
at Team A's 40-yard line. A2, in his end zone, clips Team B
before the ball is kicked. RULING: Penalty—Safety (Rule 9-1-2
Penalty) or Team B may snap the ball at the Team A 25-yard line
after enforcement of the penalty from where the ball went out of
bounds


Not the exact situation but here is where I found it .


http://www.austinofficials.org/img/2008_Football_Rules.pdf

[Gray Fox]

XIII. Team A's untouched punt from its end zone goes out of bounds
at Team A's 40-yard line. A2, in his end zone, clips Team B
before the ball is kicked. RULING: Penalty—Safety (Rule 9-1-2
Penalty) or Team B may snap the ball at the Team A 25-yard line
after enforcement of the penalty from where the ball went out of
bounds


Not the exact situation but here is where I found it .


http://www.austinofficials.org/img/2008_Football_Rules.pdf

So Redlands could have had the ball on the one or eight.  Now I agree with tigersports.

[tigersports]

I was right and wrong.  The Oxy player, I think, advanced the ball to the 16, so it wouldn't have been spooted at the 16 -- more like the 8 or maybe even closer.  I forget where he picked the ball up.  Redlands would have had the ball, then, at somewhere inside the ten.  In that situation, you have probably a 80% chance of a tying TD, probably higher with Schaefer in the backfield.  The alternative is getting 2 points and being 60 yards away from a go-ahead TD.  I think it's a no-brainer to take the ball at the 8.

I'm still waiting for an explanation why Maynard didn't take timeouts.  They would've gotten the ball with about 3:15 left as there's little chance Oxy gets the FD.   If he gets a stop, you can score a TD in college in about 1:30.  Onside kick after that and you're in business.  I know it's a small chance, but not calling timeout gives you NO chance. 

[Foss]

Re the question originally asked by Foss, PC is right. I asked a professional kicking instructor about the rule, and he e-mailed back and said this:

It is not a mandatory rule where it has to be 7 yards.  It can be as far or as short as you want it.  I believe 7 yards was established as the most optimal/efficient distance from the snap to hold/kick position and time it takes to get the kick off with the right distance to get the ball in the air without being blocked and distance from the guys rushing the kick.  I found 8 yards to be good too.  In levels below high school though most Pop Warner teams use 6 to 7 yards.  Some NFL teams use 7.5-8 yards. 

OxyBob

Thanks for the info.

[Gray Fox]

Re the question originally asked by Foss, PC is right. I asked a professional kicking instructor about the rule, and he e-mailed back and said this:

It is not a mandatory rule where it has to be 7 yards.  It can be as far or as short as you want it.  I believe 7 yards was established as the most optimal/efficient distance from the snap to hold/kick position and time it takes to get the kick off with the right distance to get the ball in the air without being blocked and distance from the guys rushing the kick.  I found 8 yards to be good too.  In levels below high school though most Pop Warner teams use 6 to 7 yards.  Some NFL teams use 7.5-8 yards. 

OxyBob

Thanks for the info.

When this first came up, I thought it might be physics.  This proves it.  NFL players are usually much taller than Pop Warner guys.   They are more likely to block a kick from seven yards.

[Browneagle64]

Thanks for the clearification on the rules guys. However, I am sure this topic has now been hammer down and taken care of. Plus, the game between the Tigers and Pups is offically in the Bank.
On to preparing for a suspecious and talented Panther team.

Note, that the Men in orange and black had to pull bunnies out of their hats (well maybe not bunnies) in order to win last years battle between the cats. This year, the boys will need to refocus quick, get over their recent win against a good Pup team and hope that all cylinders click in order to beat the Panthers. Look for the Oxy DB's to be tested against the Panthers "Pass happy" offense. In the end, the Tigers pull out with a win though.

Go Tigers and congrats again on their win over the Pups. 

[OxyFan21]

Haven't posted in a long time here.  I'm finding out that a new baby takes a lot of time/adjustment!

Is it true that before the Oxy game, UR was allowing 2.3 yards per game?!?

[Fear the Poet]

The Poets have their Homecoming game this week against Redlands.  I feel like Tex Cobb against Larry Holmes....Cal LU, Chapman and Redlands in succession.

Hopefully my beloved Poets will put together four quarters this week.

[Gray Fox]

Homecoming games should be scheduled against Principia.

[OneTimeWonder]

I'm still waiting for an explanation why Maynard didn't take timeouts.  They would've gotten the ball with about 3:15 left as there's little chance Oxy gets the FD.   If he gets a stop, you can score a TD in college in about 1:30.  Onside kick after that and you're in business.  I know it's a small chance, but not calling timeout gives you NO chance. 

Why didn't Redlands use time-outs at the end of the game?

The only answer I can come up with is that the coaching staff quit on the team.  The team played hard until the end - but the coaches seemed to throw in the towel.  If the coaches had thought Redlands could win, they would not have had the team punt the ball on its last possession, but instead would have used all four downs to try to score.

Anything can happen at the end of a football game.  Two scores is not impossible - unless you take the ball out of your team's hands

[snoop dawg]

Quote
[Maynard] was also second-guessing a call he made to go for a first down with a fourth-and-3 at the Occidental 23 on the Bulldogs' first possession with the game still scoreless. Schafer was stopped for no gain. Meanwhile, kicker Joe MacMillan is a solid 5-of-7 on field goal tries with a long of 44 yards.

"I'd like to have that one back," he said. "I just thought we had a really good play. Obviously looking back on that now it would have been better to get some points."

OB Wrote:
"So let me get this straight: Maynard second-guessed himself for not kicking a field goal when he was tied in the first quarter, but he didn't go for a field goal (or a TD) and instead took 2 pts when he was down 7 at the end of the 3rd quarter. Someone explain that logic to me."

There is no logic in either decision.  It is always easy to second guess a coach after a game is over, but, those two decisions are very difficult to justify.

UR fell out of the top 25, if UR runs the table, do they have a chance of getting a playoff bid?

[Pat Coleman]

Yes. They should hope for a nice finish from Whitworth to aid those chances. There are a lot of teams hoping for one of those six spots, though.

[SnowLeopard]

Oxy Bob, thanks for posting the articles about Ort. Bob Dyer,  who's been the PA guy for years is also another great throwback who's in La Verne's Hall of Fame as a Basketball Player.

Can't believe my Leos lost that bad to CMS , and committed that many turnovers. I look forward to catching my first game of the year at homecoming this Saturday against Pomona.

I was finally able to make the trip to Ohio stadium this past weekend to see the Buckeyes play Purdue. Not a great game, but a great experience. My great grandfather, both grandparents, numerous cousins and other family members all were Buckeyes.

Congrats to the Tigers on another big win. Good luck to both Oxy and UR, the rest of the way.