FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[D O.C.]

...and now a word from RFB....

[RFB]

   I have heard that the Redlands coaches are very good salesmen...they get a large number of kids to enroll at UR....kids who are led to believe they are going to be playing football -  rumor has it that this year after pre-season camp they cut 50+ boys who were led to believe they'd be part of the UR team prior to enrolling.  Too late to transfer, and UR gets their Fall tuition $.
 
    Even some of the boys who "made" the active roster asked to be taken off of it shortly afterward due to some Wacky position coaches, and the fact that football wasn't "fun" at Redlands. 

    From what I can see, UR has a great tradition of football excellence, but may need to guard their reputation more closely if they want to keep getting the recruits.
 
 

Wow, where do I start with this post. I think the first thing is that these kids need to understand is they are not in high school anymore. Many of these kids were all league and might have been a very good player at their respective high school. Often they think that this will easily transisiton over to the college level. DIII football is highly competitive.

Redlands football program is not the best in the country, far from it actually. But they are definitely one of the top programs in the West. The level of football and the shock in transistion can many times cause football to not be very fun. Some kids see they are third or fourth on the depth chart and they don't want to bide their time and put the necessary work in. Sometimes it takes a year or two of sitting before you get some time.
If they don't want to work and expect things to be handed to them, then I say good riddance, your not Redlands material.

As for the kids that got cut. Yeah, that's tough and I can understand the disappointment. Football at this level is not for everyone. Hopefully, they chose Redlands for the university and see they are here to get an education. If they are determined they will work their butt off and come back the next season and give it a shot. I would want those type of players in the program. Coach Maynard is fair and rewards hard work. I know this to be a fact.

As far as wacky postion coaches go. That's a bunch of bu*l****. Todays kids have had everything handed to them, bubble wrapped. They asked to be taken off the roster? Quit, no one is holding a gun to their heads. Transfer to Lewis & Clark. Last time I heard they needed some players. Either that or go play intramurals.

[Fear the Poet]

Thanks for posting that OB.

The Poets need a win badly. Heck at this point, I would take a competitive game.

I still have the faith!

[Fear the Poet]

   I have heard that the Redlands coaches are very good salesmen...they get a large number of kids to enroll at UR....kids who are led to believe they are going to be playing football -  rumor has it that this year after pre-season camp they cut 50+ boys who were led to believe they'd be part of the UR team prior to enrolling.  Too late to transfer, and UR gets their Fall tuition $.
 
    Even some of the boys who "made" the active roster asked to be taken off of it shortly afterward due to some Wacky position coaches, and the fact that football wasn't "fun" at Redlands. 

    From what I can see, UR has a great tradition of football excellence, but may need to guard their reputation more closely if they want to keep getting the recruits.
 
 

Wow, where do I start with this post. I think the first thing is that these kids need to understand is they are not in high school anymore. Many of these kids were all league and might have been a very good player at their respective high school. Often they think that this will easily transisiton over to the college level. DIII football is highly competitive.

Redlands football program is not the best in the country, far from it actually. But they are definitely one of the top programs in the West. The level of football and the skock in transistion can many times cause football to not be very fun. Some kids see they are third or fourth on the depth chart and they don't want to bide their time and put the necessary work in. Sometimes it takes a year or two of sitting before you get some time.
If they don't want to work and expect things to be handed to them, then I say good riddance, your not Redlands material.

As for the kids that got cut. Yeah, that's tough and I can understand the disappointment. Football at this level is not for everyone. Hopefully, they chose Redlands for the university and see they are here to get an education. If they are determined they will work their butt off and come back the next season and give it a shot. I would want those type of players in the program. Coach Maynard is fair and rewards hard work. I know this to be a fact.

As far as wacky postion coaches go. That's a bunch of bu*l****. Todays kids have had everything handed to them, bubble wrapped. They asked to be taken off the roster? Quit, no one is holding a gun to their heads. Tranfer to Lewis & Clark. Last time I heard they needed some players. Either that or go play intramurals.

there are no gaurantees at this level. As I told LR when he was first heading off to Whittier, this is big boy football. As you said, this isn't high school anymore. The football programs are a job and the coaches will put the best players on the field..period. As far as Redlands goes, LR was recruited heavily by them and did visits,overnights and met most of the coaches. They were nothing but first class and never promised him anything but an opportunity to compete for playing time. In fact, they said it is very rare for freshman to play.

Maynard,Fazio and the staff are first class as far as our experiences. 

[wildcat11]

+1 RFB....not to go all "I remember when" or to tout my experience as gospel but as someone who had to bust their rear on scout team and as a backup my first few seasons of playing college ball before I was able earn my playing time I really don’t feel bad for the kids walk away and point the finger at coaches for not delivering on “promises”.    

Players leave every program in the country for their own reasons.  It happens at Redlands, Linfield, SJU, Collorado College….everywhere.   Sometimes it’s just not a good fit, sometimes a kid just doesn’t want to play anymore, and sometimes a kid feels “cheated”.  

While I respect the guys that leave because they would rather do something else, I really don’t feel bad for the guys that claim they were “cheated” or it’s the coach’s fault.  IMO, programs are generally better off without those types of guys.

[firstdown]

FTP - Well stated.  When you think of the thousands of kids that play high school football in California alone, and the few hundred that go on to play college ball, every player has already survived a pretty big cut just to make it to a college team.  An incoming freshman player that may have been a big stud as a senior on a high school team will all of a sudden be competing with players who could be 3, 4, or 5 years older.  Battling players with the extra years in the weigh room alone is a pretty big handicap.  There is at times a misperception that football at the D3 is somehow not as rigorous as at the DI level.  Every player needs to come into college ball with their eyes wide open.  College football at all levels requires a time commitment that is much greater than high school along with having to put in more time into studies.  Pop Warner football is fun.  College football is hard work.   However, if you ask guys who have graduated, they will likely say that college football was probably one of the best experiences of their lives.

[D O.C.]

Redlands football program is not the best in the country

Suggest you revise before our friend sees it and uses it for the next couple of years.

[RFB]

FTP - Well stated.  When you think of the thousands of kids that play high school football in California alone, and the few hundred that go on to play college ball, every player has already survived a pretty big cut just to make it to a college team.  An incoming freshman player that may have been a big stud as a senior on a high school team will all of a sudden be competing with players who could be 3, 4, or 5 years older.  Battling players with the extra years in the weigh room alone is a pretty big handicap.  There is at times a misperception that football at the D3 is somehow not as rigorous as at the DI level.  Every player needs to come into college ball with their eyes wide open.  College football at all levels requires a time commitment that is much greater than high school along with having to put in more time into studies.  Pop Warner football is fun.  College football is hard work.   However, if you ask guys who have graduated, they will likely say that college football was probably one of the best experiences of their lives.

Nice post! You're exactly right.

[DAW]

Whittier @ Pomona 1:00 p.m. -- Sagehens peck Poets, Whittier wilts


AWWWWWWWWW  COME ON BOB... couldn't you have picked the poets on this one

I still have faith that the mighty poets are going to come away with at W

[RFB]

I'm curious as to whether Coach Hammer will be on the Whittier sidelines next year. He is right at that point where past Whittier coaches have moved on. This year can't be to encouraging.

[DAW]

AWWWWWWWWW  COME ON BOB... couldn't you have picked the poets on this one

I care that you care but after careful consideration I concluded that you can't contain Caron. Condolences.

OUCHIE!!

[DAW]

I'm curious as to whether Coach Hammer will be on the Whittier sidelines next year. He is right at that point where past Whittier coaches have moved on. This year can't be to encouraging.

Believe me this thought has crossed our minds too!!  We are hoping that he will stay but I guess time is going to tell !!

[Fear the Poet]

I'm curious as to whether Coach Hammer will be on the Whittier sidelines next year. He is right at that point where past Whittier coaches have moved on. This year can't be to encouraging.

It is a very frustrating year for sure, but its not over yet.
I sure hope Coach Hammer stays. This is his third year as head coach and the team is very young. 

We support him all the way!

[Gazolly Gazump]

   It appears as if I hit a nerve with some of you guys.  So sorry; I had no intention of insulting D3 or Redlands football.  It is the NCAA after all.  High school heroes rarely see the field as freshmen.  Many can't deal with it and quit....fact of life.

    As a current UR graduate student and "old" football mom (my oldest played at Willamette, my youngest is at Idaho State), I was just repeating what has been discussed here on campus by some current football players (not only freshman), some players who were "cut", and some parents of both current and past players.   

  I was not insulting the coaches or boys who chose not to play football.  I know Mike Maynard,  and have the deepest respect for him - he loves his "boys" and Bulldog football to be sure! -  I have no doubt the recruits were told how hard they would have to work and how they were to have extreme mental toughness in order to achieve success on the field - I just get the impression a great many boys were told the same things prior to enrolling.

  Unless you are currently on the practice field every day, there is no way any of us can judge the wackiness of ant particular member of the coaching staff. Much of the perception of a coach lies in the person being coached - aren't there a few first year position coaches at UR?  How can their quality adequately be judged at this time unless one is on the field every day with them?

  Again, I did not mean to ruffle anybody's feathers; I was only responding (however misguided I may have been)  to the comment about UR not having the depth at the QB position it used to have.
 
   No surprises about who took one of my karma points away!

 

[OXY Oswald]

No surprises about who took one of my karma points away!

Surprise. 

Every school has experience with players who cannot handle the diminished role at the college level or the level of effort that is required to stay competitive, not only on the field but in the class room.  I think you might have just spoken a little too off the cuff there, I doubt the UR coaches promise/say anything that hasn't been said by every other football coach.  Any player that comes into a program expecting to play immediately and thinks that football will always be fun has fooled themself.