FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[scandihoovian]

First off, I have to say that, unlike this newbie OxyBob character, I am far from willing to make Redlands over CLU my "Lock of the Week."

Stat-wise, advantage Redlands. The Bulldogs also have two other things going for them: They are playing at home and can still make the playoffs. It ain't a lock, but all indicators point to a UR victory.

OxyBob

Yes, but that's why they play the games.  The Kingsmen just have to believe that Redlands' puts on their pants one leg at a time, just like them.  They've got to play their game, take it one play at a time, put their teammates on their backs, play like there's nothing to lose, and leave it all out on the field.  After all, bragging rights are at stake.  Don't be surprised if the Kingsmen, in the words of their coach, try to turn this into "an old fashioned slobber-knocker."  

All kidding aside, I agree that Redlands has more tangible motivation, but I think a win at Redlands goes along way towards making this a successful season for CLU football.  If you can end the year with a win at a quality program like Redlands, and you suffered your only losses against the two west coast teams headed to the playoffs, I think that's a pretty fair season.  Maybe not what the Kingsmen had in mind in August, but a good year nonetheless.

As for the CLU offense, I think some of their struggles this year are related to the fact that they are very young on the O-line. Seems like 5-6 freshmen have seen significant time this year, and some of the kids that were really coming along have been lost to injury.  I have not seen the Redlands D, only heard that they are quite good.  I hope the Kingsmen are up for the challenge.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

SCIAC Fan:

OB is back on the board, there's been no sniping between OB and SD . . . is there some good that you thought would come on the board and flaming Snoop?  The thing is ready to die down, stirring the ashes does no one any good and doesn't add value the discussion. So I would respectfully request that you let sleeping dogs lie.

[Growler]

SCIAC Fan:

OB is back on the board, there's been no sniping between OB and SD . . . is there some good that you thought would come on the board and flaming Snoop?  The thing is ready to die down, stirring the ashes does no one any good and doesn't add value the discussion. So I would respectfully request that you let sleeping dogs lie.

+K (if I could)

[janesvilleflash]

I +k'd the fan. I thought it was a good post.

[stealth]

Ain't over yet but I would like to say thanks to CLU, Oxy and Redlands for another exciting year in the SCIAC. Quality play, quality players, quality coaching.
Hope everyone has a safe weekend on the feild and looking forward to selection Sunday.

[OxyBob]

Pomona item in the "Campus Life 5.0" column in the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin:

Pomona-Pitzer sophomore quarterback Jacob Caron put on quite a show, although the Sagehens lost to unbeaten Occidental 64-33 on Saturday.

Caron completed 38 of 63 passes for a school-record 507 yards, throwing for two touchdowns and running for another. He had 16 completions to Kevin Kelley for 273 yards and 14 to R.J. Maki for 159 yards.

"As good as it was, it could have been better," Jacob's father and Pitzer coach Roger Caron said. "He missed a couple of reads and there were a couple throws he'd like to have back."

In eight games Caron has completed 58.7 percent of his passes for 2,359 yards and 14 touchdowns. He had a game earlier this season in which he ran for five scores and threw for two more but this one came against a nationally ranked foe.

The Sagehens host neighborhood foe Claremont-Mudd-Scripps at 1 p.m. Saturday in the annual Peace Pipe showdown.

Here are a few comparative stats (rank):

Scoring offense: Pomona 27.8 (4), Claremont 17.8 (6)
Scoring defense: Claremont 25.8 (4), Pomona 48.0 (7)
Pass offense: Pomona 332.2 (1), Claremont 95.6 (7)
Pass defense: Claremont 215.2 (3), Pomona 276.0 (7)
Rushing offense: Claremont 103.4 (5), Pomona 54.6 (7)
Rushing defense: Claremont 129.8 (4), Pomona 180.6 (7)
Total offense: Pomona 386.8 (3), Claremont 198.8 (7)
Total defense: Claremont 345.0 (4), Pomona 456.6 (7)
Pass efficiency: Pomona 128.6 (2), Claremont 92.4 (7)
Pass efficiency defense: Claremont 108.8 (3), Pomona 157.0 (7)

Pomona can score while Claremont doesn't score, but Pomona can't stop anyone from scoring. Pomona can pass but can't defend the pass. Claremont can run and Pomona can't stop the run. Pomona has tons of offense but gives up tons of offense. That should be a wild game.

OxyBob

[oxytigersroar]

Pomona item in the "Campus Life 5.0" column in the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin:

Pomona-Pitzer sophomore quarterback Jacob Caron put on quite a show, although the Sagehens lost to unbeaten Occidental 64-33 on Saturday.

Caron completed 38 of 63 passes for a school-record 507 yards, throwing for two touchdowns and running for another. He had 16 completions to Kevin Kelley for 273 yards and 14 to R.J. Maki for 159 yards.

"As good as it was, it could have been better," Jacob's father and Pitzer coach Roger Caron said. "He missed a couple of reads and there were a couple throws he'd like to have back."

In eight games Caron has completed 58.7 percent of his passes for 2,359 yards and 14 touchdowns. He had a game earlier this season in which he ran for five scores and threw for two more but this one came against a nationally ranked foe.

The Sagehens host neighborhood foe Claremont-Mudd-Scripps at 1 p.m. Saturday in the annual Peace Pipe showdown.

Here are a few comparative stats (rank):

Scoring offense: Pomona 27.8 (4), Claremont 17.8 (6)
Scoring defense: Claremont 25.8 (4), Pomona 48.0 (7)
Pass offense: Pomona 332.2 (1), Claremont 95.6 (7)
Pass defense: Claremont 215.2 (3), Pomona 276.0 (7)
Rushing offense: Claremont 103.4 (5), Pomona 54.6 (7)
Rushing defense: Claremont 129.8 (4), Pomona 180.6 (7)
Total offense: Pomona 386.8 (3), Claremont 198.8 (7)
Total defense: Claremont 345.0 (4), Pomona 456.6 (7)
Pass efficiency: Pomona 128.6 (2), Claremont 92.4 (7)
Pass efficiency defense: Claremont 108.8 (3), Pomona 157.0 (7)

Pomona can score while Claremont doesn't score, but Pomona can't stop anyone from scoring. Pomona can pass but can't defend the pass. Claremont can run and Pomona can't stop the run. Pomona has tons of offense but gives up tons of offense. That should be a wild game.

OxyBob

IMHO, there was some "stat padding" by Coach Caron for his QB son in the Oxy game.  After the 2nd quarter, the game was never seriously within reach for Pomona.  While I understand it's a rivalry game for the Drum, I also thought it was the perfect situation when the game was decided for Pomona's coach to give his other freshman QB some real game experience, especially when Oxy's second and third string defense played from the middle of the 3rd quarter on.  I even think Pomona called time out with something like 9 seconds left to give the first string QB another 5 yard throw to the end zone when the score was 64-26.  I know Oxy's defense shut down the run, and I certainly don't expect a player or team to give up, but 63 passing attempts and 500+ yards when the game is over at half?!  Others may disagree, but that's my opinion.             

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Personally, I'd much rather see Oxy's 2nd and 3rd string defense get looks against Caron than Pomona's backups . . . and did you look at Pomona's sideline . . . how many players suited up . . . maybe 40-45?

I think that Tiger backups gain a lot more from going up against the best Pomona has to offer at this stage of the game.

[Jack Parkman]

Personally, I'd much rather see Oxy's 2nd and 3rd string defense get looks against Caron than Pomona's backups . . . and did you look at Pomona's sideline . . . how many players suited up . . . maybe 40-45?

I think that Tiger backups gain a lot more from going up against the best Pomona has to offer at this stage of the game.

I agree with this 100%.  OXY's backups on "D" will get so much more (and better) experience playing against a guy like Caron than any other QB in the SCIAC.   

[labart96]

Ain't over yet but I would like to say thanks to CLU, Oxy and Redlands for another exciting year in the SCIAC. Quality play, quality players, quality coaching.
Hope everyone has a safe weekend on the feild and looking forward to selection Sunday.

agreed.  you've picked up an eastern fan this season for sure.  good luck to Oxy and the rest of the league this weekend!

i've been tied up with personal matters, but hope to see another SCIAC game this year (first round NCAA play-off maybe?) if possible. 

[OxyBob]

IMHO, there was some "stat padding" by Coach Caron for his QB son in the Oxy game.           

He more or less said as much:

"As good as it was, it could have been better," Jacob's father and Pitzer coach Roger Caron said. "He missed a couple of reads and there were a couple throws he'd like to have back."

and did you look at Pomona's sideline . . . how many players suited up . . . maybe 40-45?

Pomona only has 44 players listed on its roster.

OxyBob

[D O.C.]

OK.... , but I thought the new poster lent a very respectful opinion to a situation that is not even a week old.
SCIAC fan, perhaps delete the opinion of someone at Redlands, even if true

[snoop dawg]

SCIAC FAN  This is the last time I will address this most ridiculous issue.  My post was not intended as a threat, in fact, until one time wonder brought it up the issue of threat never even crossed my mind.  I am an attorney, and a fairly successful and respected one.  If I intended to threaten someone do you really think I would post it on a message board? I guarantee you OB new I didn't threaten him and his post was/is nothing more that anther  dig at me.

I pretended to be someone else other than who I really am on this board and was exposed.  Wow, like that doesn't happen on the internet message boards all the time.  I didn't understand the nature of this board when I first signed up for it.  I should have read and become more familiar with it before I did what I did.  I apologized.  Believe me if I could I would go back and do it differently if I could. 

Your contacts at UR can think whatever they want, I can't do anything about it, not do I care to.
I suggest you actually read my post without a bias.

You say OB is a nice guy in person, as opposed to guy who is often insulting on the board.  I believe he is.  Imagine that, he is different person in real life than the one he sometimes portrays on the board.

[oxytigersroar]

Personally, I'd much rather see Oxy's 2nd and 3rd string defense get looks against Caron than Pomona's backups . . . and did you look at Pomona's sideline . . . how many players suited up . . . maybe 40-45?

I think that Tiger backups gain a lot more from going up against the best Pomona has to offer at this stage of the game.

Tooth, your point is a good one for the benefit of Oxy's non-starters, but I don't think POMONA'S coach was worried about giving the Oxy players on the field at that time the best competition they could get from Pomona.  Certainly by sometime in the 4th quarter, defeat was inevitable for Pomona.  When you only have 44-45 players on your roster and the game has been decided, why not save your starters from possible injury and give the back-ups who come to practice every day the chance to play, especially in a big rivalry game - instead of giving your statistically league leading passer even more chances to throw to your statistically league leading receiver?  In my four years of watching Oxy football, I just think the Oxy coaching staff would have handled the situation differently if it had been in Pomona's position, that's all.   

[OxyBob]

Item from the "Cal Lutheran notebook" column in the Ventura County Star:

Special coverage: The Cal Lutheran football team's kick-coverage unit is drawing high praise from head coach Ben McEnroe.

The Kingsmen are allowing 17.8 yards on kick returns and 8.5 yards on punt returns. Against La Verne last Saturday, CLU hardly let the Leopards take a step before tackling them.

"This might be the best kick-coverage unit I have been around in my career," McEnroe said. "Not only do they run down and make tackles, they make big hits and blow up wedges. It's just a great unit with some good athletes, good speed guys and guys that really take pride in getting after the other return team."

I'm a long time reader and first time poster. I think CLU has a good chance for a win on Saturday against Redlands because of their defense. CLU has been playing a single-gap defense, they haven't given up any big plays, and they've kept good pressure on the quarterback. Redlands is a good team but if the CLU defense keeps them in the game like they did against Oxy then CLU will have a good chance to win it.

Welcome to the message board. I agree that CLU's defense gives them a good chance to win the game against UR. The big question is whether the Kingsmen offense can move the ball, and I don't think they will be able to enough to win the game. Otherwise I agree with everything in your post 100%.

Certainly by sometime in the 4th quarter, defeat was inevitable for Pomona. 

It was 43-13 at the half and 57-20 at the end of the 3rd quarter. Why is your starting QB still in there throwing the ball? Stat padding, pure and simple. It must be one of those awkward good news-bad news coaching moments when you get to tell everyone your QB set a school record with 507 passing yards but lost the game 64-33.

OxyBob