FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[D O.C.]

clam slamming                       

[wildcat11]

Redlands jumped them early? So a win doesn't count early in the season? By your logic I guess Redlands would have beat Whitworth by much more if they played later in the season.

Oh no, you definitely get the win.  But one win against a good Whitworth team doesn't take away from the fact that you guys have been terrible against the NWC.  Way to dodge that point...

Dodge what point? I choose to live in the now. Redlands is 2-0 over the NWC over the last two years.

The point that the NWC champ and runner up would likely be favored against any SCIAC team.  That's all I'm saying...

Willamette I would agree with. Not the second place team. And Redlands with a healthy Dan Selway could trade punches with Willamette all day.

I don't know.  WU is playing without their starting QB and RB now...

Come on WUCATWU losing your starting QB might have been the best thing to happen to Willamette all season long.  Not saying someone getting hurt is good but Whitcomb is not an accurate passes (granted a fine runner) but Leslie's ability to throw has been the big difference maker for that offense this season and I think was a blessing in disguise.

[RFB]

Speaking about Pavlovian, I feel now is the appropriate time to mention that I hear Redands has an excellent Dodgeball class.   

Redlands Football: dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodging Linfield since 2003. 

I did hear we tried to hook up with the Dawgs once again but I guess that a mid-level ASC team offered Maynard all he could eat ribs if they made the trip out to Texas and he couldn't say no.

Yep, Redlands is responsible for Linfields inability to get it done the last three years.

Never said that but I would like to trade our game with the Division II we play every year with a team we have a tradition of clam slamming.

I didn't hear any Linfield fans complaining about that schedule in 2004/2005. As matter of fact is was all trash talk about how great Linfield was and that they could and would play and beat anybody. My, how that tune sure has changed.

No, I actually was one Wildcat that saw typing/saying to dump WOU all the way back in 2004.  It was only a matter time before WOU started to take advantage of the DII status and as our defending national champion will tell you that there is a clear difference between the two divisions.  I have no shame in saying in it does no good to play WOU anymore...it didn't back in 04/05 either.

Keep dreaming about your Selway scenario...I would love to say the same thing about Boehme/Linfield too but that wasn't our reality this year so leave that argument at home. 

And I bet the dropoff in play from your #1 and #2 was not as drastic as it was at Redlands. It was a big part in Redlands losing both games this year.

[MonroviaCat]

clam slamming                       

Can we say that on this board?   

[MonroviaCat]

Speaking about Pavlovian, I feel now is the appropriate time to mention that I hear Redands has an excellent Dodgeball class.   

Redlands Football: dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodging Linfield since 2003. 

I did hear we tried to hook up with the Dawgs once again but I guess that a mid-level ASC team offered Maynard all he could eat ribs if they made the trip out to Texas and he couldn't say no.

Yep, Redlands is responsible for Linfields inability to get it done the last three years.

Never said that but I would like to trade our game with the Division II we play every year with a team we have a tradition of clam slamming.

I didn't hear any Linfield fans complaining about that schedule in 2004/2005. As matter of fact is was all trash talk about how great Linfield was and that they could and would play and beat anybody. My, how that tune sure has changed.

No, I actually was one Wildcat that saw typing/saying to dump WOU all the way back in 2004.  It was only a matter time before WOU started to take advantage of the DII status and as our defending national champion will tell you that there is a clear difference between the two divisions.  I have no shame in saying in it does no good to play WOU anymore...it didn't back in 04/05 either.

Keep dreaming about your Selway scenario...I would love to say the same thing about Boehme/Linfield too but that wasn't our reality this year so leave that argument at home. 

And I bet the dropoff in play from your #1 and #2 was not as drastic as it was at Redlands. It was a big part in Redlands losing both games this year.

I think our#2 was very good but I also think losing #1 caused a big change in the offensive scheme for Linfield.  That hurt.  As for Redlands, sorry they didn't have any depth at QB.....

[wucatwu]

Redlands jumped them early? So a win doesn't count early in the season? By your logic I guess Redlands would have beat Whitworth by much more if they played later in the season.

Oh no, you definitely get the win.  But one win against a good Whitworth team doesn't take away from the fact that you guys have been terrible against the NWC.  Way to dodge that point...

Dodge what point? I choose to live in the now. Redlands is 2-0 over the NWC over the last two years.

The point that the NWC champ and runner up would likely be favored against any SCIAC team.  That's all I'm saying...

Willamette I would agree with. Not the second place team. And Redlands with a healthy Dan Selway could trade punches with Willamette all day.

I don't know.  WU is playing without their starting QB and RB now...

Come on WUCATWU losing your starting QB might have been the best thing to happen to Willamette all season long.  Not saying someone getting hurt is good but Whitcomb is not an accurate passes (granted a fine runner) but Leslie's ability to throw has been the big difference maker for that offense this season and I think was a blessing in disguise.

I agree with you about that, but they were a two headed monster (which is a problem at times).  Kyle Johnson on the other hand was/is a beast and adds a rugged up the gut runner to WU's already tough running attack.  My argument was more for the sake of 1 upping RFB's injured QB claim.  Looks like I've been caught

[RFB]

Redlands jumped them early? So a win doesn't count early in the season? By your logic I guess Redlands would have beat Whitworth by much more if they played later in the season.

Oh no, you definitely get the win.  But one win against a good Whitworth team doesn't take away from the fact that you guys have been terrible against the NWC.  Way to dodge that point...

Dodge what point? I choose to live in the now. Redlands is 2-0 over the NWC over the last two years.

The point that the NWC champ and runner up would likely be favored against any SCIAC team.  That's all I'm saying...

Willamette I would agree with. Not the second place team. And Redlands with a healthy Dan Selway could trade punches with Willamette all day.

I don't know.  WU is playing without their starting QB and RB now...

Come on WUCATWU losing your starting QB might have been the best thing to happen to Willamette all season long.  Not saying someone getting hurt is good but Whitcomb is not an accurate passes (granted a fine runner) but Leslie's ability to throw has been the big difference maker for that offense this season and I think was a blessing in disguise.

I agree with you about that, but they were a two headed monster (which is a problem at times).  Kyle Johnson on the other hand was/is a beast and adds a rugged up the gut runner to WU's already tough running attack.  My argument was more for the sake of 1 upping RFB's injured QB claim.  Looks like I've been caught

One Uppey Yuppie!

[MonroviaCat]

So RFB, what can you tell us about the 2009 Bulldogs?  Who graduates this year? 

[RFB]

So RFB, what can you tell us about the 2009 Bulldogs?  Who graduates this year? 

By my count Redlands should return around 11 starters, plus 5-6 players who got a few starts due to injury. A big addition would be if Selway got a medical redshirt. Redlands loses 6/7 on the front seven and that will hurt. They also lose their three senior running backs who were studs. If they can pull in some good recruits they should be ok I would think.

[DutchFan2004]

The thing about not having depth is a valid point but one thing that is missed in this you lose experience as well.  For QB that is more important than any other position.  You can have two gifted athletes at QB the same age and if one has two or three years as the starter the #2 will still have a huge learning curve when he gets his PT.  Practice is one thing playing on the field is totally different. 

[Gazolly Gazump]

If Selway already had a medical redshirt two seasons ago, what are his chances of getting another one approved?  And how would a medical redshirt in football this season affect his basketball NCAA eligibility? Can he play basketball this season?  Not sure how the eligibility works from sport to sport in the same year (medical redshirt football - play basketball same year?).  Does a player lose a year of eligibility for playing any NCAA sport in that year? 

I believe D3 regulations say that a player has five consecutive years to use four years of eligibility - if I understand it correctly.

   Selway will be left with two years of football left if his medical redshirt is approved....he will be a second year grad student by then.   Redlands could use him for the next two years, that's for sure.  But.... a quarterback does not a football team make. (I'm sure the Dallas Cowboys would beg to differ on that point though!)

Congrats to Oxy for making the trip up north - weather was great for you; this time of year is always a gamble on the cold and rain!

[(509)Rat]

If Selway already had a medical redshirt two seasons ago, what are his chances of getting another one approved?  And how would a medical redshirt in football this season affect his basketball NCAA eligibility? Can he play basketball this season?  Not sure how the eligibility works from sport to sport in the same year (medical redshirt football - play basketball same year?).  Does a player lose a year of eligibility for playing any NCAA sport in that year?

I'm pretty sure the NCAA rule is you have 10 semesters to finish your eligibility once you've started your first season (a season constitutes as attending one practice after the 1st game).  If he's been at Redlands for 4 years now and applied (in a previous season) for a 5th and it was granted, then it sounds like he could come back next year.  However, if this is his 5th year then he won't get a 6th for another injury.  That's my understanding of the rules but I could very well be wrong.

[(509)Rat]

As for Basketball I don't see how one would affect the other even though the seasons overlap a bit.  He should have 10 semesters to finish 4 years of bball regardless of any football related injuries/redshirts.

[D O.C.]

Isn't it wonderful how the actions of the NCAA in regards to their football playoff pairings have melded the NWC / SCIAC boards together much the way PC did the Playoff Updates boards?

[oxytigersroar]

Speaking about Pavlovian, I feel now is the appropriate time to mention that I hear Redands has an excellent Dodgeball class.   

Redlands Football: dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodging Linfield since 2003. 

I did hear we tried to hook up with the Dawgs once again but I guess that a mid-level ASC team offered Maynard all he could eat ribs if they made the trip out to Texas and he couldn't say no.

Yep, Redlands is responsible for Linfields inability to get it done the last three years.

Never said that but I would like to trade our game with the Division II we play every year with a team we have a tradition of clam slamming.

I didn't hear any Linfield fans complaining about that schedule in 2004/2005. As matter of fact is was all trash talk about how great Linfield was and that they could and would play and beat anybody. My, how that tune sure has changed.

No, I actually was one Wildcat that saw typing/saying to dump WOU all the way back in 2004.  It was only a matter time before WOU started to take advantage of the DII status and as our defending national champion will tell you that there is a clear difference between the two divisions.  I have no shame in saying in it does no good to play WOU anymore...it didn't back in 04/05 either.

Keep dreaming about your Selway scenario...I would love to say the same thing about Boehme/Linfield too but that wasn't our reality this year so leave that argument at home. 

And I bet the dropoff in play from your #1 and #2 was not as drastic as it was at Redlands. It was a big part in Redlands losing both games this year.

RFB - With all due respect, injuries to key players are a part of the game.  Redlands lost to Oxy and Cal Lu without Selway, but I didn't hear much complaining about Smith as their QB when they were blowing away their other opponents.  Certainly, real time playing experience helps - especially at QB - but the bottom line is that there can always be "ifs" and "buts" with injuries.  For example, Oxy may have been a totally different team last year in its games against Cal Lu and Whittier if it had had its two top running backs, its top defensive lineman and its top linebacker, all of whom were out with injuries very early in the season.  In this year's Redlands v Oxy game, IMHO, I'm not sure if Selway would have made a big difference in the outcome.  Oxy's defense pressured the QB all night, and he really had little chance to do anything.  Also, Oxy arguably "should have" scored a couple more TDs when it was inside Redland's 5 yard line.  I am not taking anything away from your team, but unfortunately, injuries to key players happen all the time and sometimes it's hard for teams to adjust - just ask the New England Patriots.