FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Well, I thought I might have to do something about that post but clearly the poster is being debunked so I'm just going to stand by.

[Gray Fox]

It looks like URBulldog4Life has ended his "Life".

[D O.C.]

Is this the designated ERASER board this season?

[OXY Oswald]

Keep in mind, the SCIAC really doesn't seem to follow NCAA rules.

What depth of misunderstanding would cause you to make such an utterly ridiculous and inaccurate statement?

For example, it might be a little known fact that Cal Lu violated recruiting rules last year. Did anything happen? No! No one seems to care. If Selway plays for two more years do you really think anyone is going to look into that.

What is it about this board that attracts one BS artist after another?

OxyBob

Anonymity.

[OxyBob]

For example, it might be a little known fact that Cal Lu violated recruiting rules last year. Did anything happen? No! No one seems to care. If Selway plays for two more years do you really think anyone is going to look into that.

What is it about this board that attracts one BS artist after another?

Anonymity.

Thing is, CLU *did* violate recruiting rules, and it wasn't a secret. Did anything happen? Yes. All URBullsh!t4Life had to do was read the SCIAC Athletic Committee Meeting minutes from October 6, 2008:

4. New Business. Compliance Committee Report. On April 3, 2008 California Lutheran University reported an NCAA secondary violation to the NCAA and SCIAC AAs. Two assistant coaches of the CLU football staff violated NCAA bylaw 13.11.1 on January 8, 2008. The coaches met a PSA, his parent and coach at a park in Anaheim and observed the athlete run drills. In addition, a violation of SCIAC rule Article V, Section 4F was reported on April 4, 2008. Four CLU football coaches visited high schools and met with coaches to obtain information on potential players. These off-campus visits occurred in February 2008 and were not at the site of a PSA's contest or at the site of a CLU contest.

The following sanctions were self imposed by CLU administration and reported at the April 4, 2008 meeting of Athletic Administrators:

*NCAA Secondary Violation sanctions on assistant coaches: 1. No attendance at 2009 AFCA Convention for any CLU football staff member; 2. No off-campus participation in any football-related activities from April 1, 2008-April 1, 2009. Both coaches must restrict all recruiting to phone, email and on-campus visits; 3. Both coaches will document all recruiting interactions with access made available to the CLU Athletic Administration; 4. One coach is currently under review by the CLU President and Athletic administration.

*SCIAC Violation sanctions on CLU football staff April 2008-2009: 1. All CLU football staff is restricted to off-campus observation only (No speaking with coaches, parents, student-athletes off campus, no attendance at combines); 2. All time spent out of the office for football related purposes must be prior reported to AD; 3. CLU Head Football Coach must devise a format for recruitment tracking of contacts with prospects, this document must be accessible to and will be audited by the AD and/or their Athletic Administration designee; 4. CLU Football staff will be participating in a separate NCAA and SCIAC bylaw educational component to be held by June 30; 5. The 2008 non-traditional segment this month will be cut in half, with a maximum of 5 dates to be used. Coaches have been instructed that the 2 hour per practice, 6 hour per week limits are in effect. Practice dates and times must be turned into the AD prior to start of non-traditional workouts; 6. No member of the 2008-09 CLU football staff will be permitted to attend the AFCA convention during the next academic school year.

Following the report of CLU AA's, Whittier College and University of Redlands expressed a level of dissatisfaction with the internal investigation and sanctions placed on the program. A committee was formed to review CLU's report and address additional allegations made against the California Lutheran University football program. Members of the committee were Rick Rogers, Adam Johnson, Wendell Jack and Lorin Huffman. The committee received and reviewed documents from all three institutions and met via conference call to discuss in late July. Following the September 12 AA meeting, the committee arranged for individual meetings with the three institutions involved (WC, UR, CLU). On Sept. 17 a full report of the investigation by CLU including the work done to follow-up on additional allegations was submitted to the committee. The committee met via conference call and had numerous email exchanges to verify and discuss the reports. As a result of their discussions and reviewing this confidential and in-depth document, the alleged violations have been addressed and it is clear to the committee that they did not occur. The self imposed sanctions by CLU were found to be sufficient, with the following recommendation: to prohibit all recruiting by the CLU football staff during the AFCA Convention (to be held in Nashville, TN January 11-13, 2009). A motion was made to accept the self imposed sanctions, and the additional recommendation made by the committee to prohibit recruiting activities during the AFCA coaches conference (MSC, 7-0-1, CLU).

The committee has made a recommendation based on this compliance issue to formulate a standing committee as part of the FAC. Committee members will serve a term of 2 years, proposed membership beginning in 2008 includes Rick Rogers, Adam Johnson, Wendell Jack, Lisa Beckett and Lorin Huffman. This recommendation was approved by the FAC, all member institutions were in favor (8-0). The first charge of this committee is to review and revise the "Draft Procedures" to be included in the SCIAC Bylaws. The updated document will address the procedures and responsibilities of the committee and should be presented at the February 2009 FAC meeting.

URBullsh!t4Life didn't have his facts straight. Perhaps others should get their facts straight before they start threatening lawsuits.

OxyBob

[RFB]

I'm new to the board so please be kind. I've been following D3 football for years. I thought I would start by giving my thoughts on the Selway issue.  With my limited understanding of the rules it seems like Selway should not be back next year. The NCAA rules say that if you participate in 20% (2 Games) of the season your done. Selway has participated in 20% of the season every year he has been at Redlands.

Welcome to post patterns! Remember, Redlands plays a nine game schedule so two games would be less than 20%.

2 out of 9 is 22.2%

As you can see I was not a math major. Thanks for the correction.

[RFB]

It looks like URBulldog4Life has ended his "Life".

That was quick. I guess I'm on my own again.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Bob,

Per usual, excellent research. Thank you for the full explanation.  I will, however, take issue with your last statement suggesting that I (or someone) threatened a lawsuit.  Read the comment again:

You might save yourself a big headache should the general counsel for Cal Lu not take too kindly to your slander. Or maybe you're prepared to back up your claims?

You, of all people, should know that what URB4L posted could very well be actionable if false, and if the counsel for the harmed institution were so inclined.  URB4L did not post the facts, as you did.  He spun a thread, absent facts, painting the entire conference and CLU with a broad stroke . . . and still a misleading one by read of your post given that the SCIAC appears to have fully addressed the issue presented.  The fact that UR was one of two institutions that was dissatisfied with the initial result may shine some light on the source of URB4L's apparent anger on the topic.  If the poster had bothered to research as you did and back up the flames with facts, the discussion would have had a markedly different tenor.

Finally, if s/he's reading this, it was not my intent to have her/him leave the board, so much as to think about what is being posted before doing so.

[D O.C.]

Please. pleaz, PLZ, Your Honor, never make me

back up the flames with facts

[janesvilleflash]

Keep in mind, the SCIAC really doesn't seem to follow NCAA rules.

What is it about this board that attracts one BS artist after another?

OxyBob

Did somebody call me?

[OxyBob]

Per usual, excellent research. Thank you for the full explanation.

Not sure how excellent it was, but thanks. I typed "cal lutheran recruiting violations" into Google and hit the Search button. It popped right up.

I will, however, take issue with your last statement suggesting that I (or someone) threatened a lawsuit.
...

You, of all people, should know that what URB4L posted could very well be actionable if false, and if the counsel for the harmed institution were so inclined.
...

What the doofus poster wrote wasn't defamatory because it's true that CLU violated recruiting rules. He had it wrong that nothing was done about it, and his opinion that the SCIAC "really doesn't seem to follow NCAA rules" was just plain stupid.

The fact that UR was one of two institutions that was dissatisfied with the initial result may shine some light on the source of URB4L's apparent anger on the topic.

I agree with Gray Fox's assessment that it wasn't even clear that the poster was from Redlands. His email address seemed to indicate otherwise.

What is it about this board that attracts one BS artist after another?

Did somebody call me?

No, Michelangelo.

OxyBob

[Gray Fox]

Part of his email address had the initials "cms" in it.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

What the doofus poster wrote wasn't defamatory because it's true that CLU violated recruiting rules.

Which I had no information on at the time, hence

Or maybe you're prepared to back up your claims?

Happy Thanksgiving!

[CalSon]

I enjoy your banter of trying to pin me to this school or that school, even though I've given you enough hints to have figured it out and yet you miss each time.

And by the way Mr CLU fan, what makes you think that the SCIAC is so thrilled to have the renegade program from Thousand Oaks.  You should be ecstatic you have conference affiliation.

[OxyBob]

From the Rubbing Salt In The Wounds Department, courtesy of Sam Farmer in the Los Angeles Times:

Sam Farmer's picks for Week 13 in the NFL
Farmer was 11-4 last week, besting Occidental Coach Dale Widolff, who was 7-8 in a head-to head showdown.

Tough luck for Coach Dale Widolff last week. Not only was his Occidental College football team knocked out of the NCAA Division III playoffs, but he lost in a head-to-head picks showdown with me.

In the Sunday and Monday games, I was 11-4; he was 7-8.

Good thing for him he can win actual games.

OxyBob