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it's the best thing that could have happened to the bills. Edwards is 10x the QB losman is.

I didn't see the beginning of the game, didn't know why he was out.

[theoriginalupstate]

If wilfork is not fined substantially for that I'll be uberpissed!

[Ralph Turner]

I don't think d3 will split, but I think the NCAA will have to revisit its AQ situation.  I think it takes the fun out of a good non-conference schedule.  Make the Curry college play a Union, Ithaca or Cortland every year.  And until they can beat them, don't let them in the playoffs.  32 teams is still the way to go, but if you eventually get 200-300 teams, it wouldn't be that hard to add an extra week and have 64 teams.

Good afternoon jonny,

IMHO, the NCAA's AQ for Division III is what is encouraging the growth of all sports in the D3.  When an AQ is available for a conference, then schools know that there is the clearly-defined incentive of a post-season bid for a championship.

The post-season bid is what drives post-season tourneys in basketball, baseball, soccer and hockey, instead of the regular season winner getting the bid.

The AQ is what has driven schools to go from independents to conference members.  In 2000, there were 17 conferences getting an AQ.  In 2007 there are 22 Pool A conferences and efforts for a projected net gain of 2 more in the 3 years.  In the year 2000 playoffs, there were 17 Pool A bids, 7 Pool B bids and 4 Pool C bids. Those new Pool A bids are: Empire 8, Liberty League, Michigan IAA, Presidents AC, Southern California IAC, and USA South, net of Freedom FC which gave its members to the NJAC, Empire 8 and LL to maintain their AQ's.

The implicit theory behind the post-season bid and conference AQ is what has driven D3 philosophy of equal access.  It is what has driven conference consolidation.  The regional format seems to be the driver behind the new alignments in D-II.

I am glad for the AQ, especially living in a part of the country that gets the short end of many sticks, when it comes to the playoffs in all sports.

[pg04]

By the Way, Trent Edwards is not better.  He is a rookie and still needs time to develop.  Every single good player for the bills is out injured except for Lynch.  There is no chance they can win any games until they get healthy. 

So this is how the Pats Cheat this week? Instead of Belichek videotaping he just sends out his players to knock out the starting QB 

[Jonny Utah]

I don't think d3 will split, but I think the NCAA will have to revisit its AQ situation.  I think it takes the fun out of a good non-conference schedule.  Make the Curry college play a Union, Ithaca or Cortland every year.  And until they can beat them, don't let them in the playoffs.  32 teams is still the way to go, but if you eventually get 200-300 teams, it wouldn't be that hard to add an extra week and have 64 teams.

Good afternoon jonny,

IMHO, the NCAA's AQ for Division III is what is encouraging the growth of all sports in the D3.  When an AQ is available for a conference, then schools know that there is the clearly-defined incentive of a post-season bid for a championship.

The post-season bid is what drives post-season tourneys in basketball, baseball, soccer and hockey, instead of the regular season winner getting the bid.

The AQ is what has driven schools to go from independents to conference members.  In 2000, there were 17 conferences getting an AQ.  In 2007 there are 22 Pool A conferences and efforts for a projected net gain of 2 more in the 3 years.  In the year 2000 playoffs, there were 17 Pool A bids, 7 Pool B bids and 4 Pool C bids. Those new Pool A bids are: Empire 8, Liberty League, Michigan IAA, Presidents AC, Southern California IAC, and USA South, net of Freedom FC which gave its members to the NJAC, Empire 8 and LL to maintain their AQ's.

The implicit theory behind the post-season bid and conference AQ is what has driven D3 philosophy of equal access.  It is what has driven conference consolidation.  The regional format seems to be the driver behind the new alignments in D-II.

I am glad for the AQ, especially living in a part of the country that gets the short end of many sticks, when it comes to the playoffs in all sports.

Well I think the d3 issue in the deep south, texas and west coast, is a different issue because travel is a legitimate issue there and I see your point there. On the other end of the spectrum I see two major problems.

1- teams like Buffalo St and Brockport have to join leagues that make them spend thousands of dollars a year on travel, just to keep their team on a high level. They also lose some good quality opponents because those teams (Ithaca, St. Lawrence) have to play a 6-7 conference schedule)

2- Non-leauge schedules dont mean anything.  Why not play 4 cupcakes for your nonleague schedule because all you are playing for will be this AQ.

[maninyellowhat]

Need 2 RB's and a wr/rb out of Jordan, Lynch, Deuce, Ahman Green, Kevin Curtis and Wes Welker....

Im thinking of going Jordan, Green and Welker.....

Hope you took Curtis.

Looks like the Eagles are finally gonna get Boy$ his first win of the season.

[Ralph Turner]

Jonny, do you think that the private schools would play Brock and Buff, if they didn't have to play them?

Conversely, I can see the attraction of the SUNYAC (with Brock, Buff, Cortland and Morrisville in 2011) having the core 4 members and attracting 3 affiliates to give the AQ to the SUNYAC. 

Will it happen?  I don't think so, and you still have to fill a 10-game schedule with 9-10 state school opponents.

Does an AQ for the SUNYAC entice SUNYAC members to add a football?  Now there is something to watch. 

Actually. I think that non-league schedules are what make or break your seedings and your chances at a Pool C bid.  I am looking to see what happens with UMHB/MissColl/HSU and Millsaps/Trinity for seeding in the South Region.

Thanks.

[Jonny Utah]

Jonny, do you think that the private schools would play Brock and Buff, if they didn't have to play them?

Some would.  Ithaca would.  And that is what makes college football so great at all levels is playing or watching big football games or games that matter.  I give Michigan credit for playing Oregon and ND.  I give ND credit for playing USC and Penn St.  Those are big non-conference games that people want to see.

And the SUNY issue is wierd.  Its clear that whoever is in charge of SUNY athletics has given Corland St a bigger checkbook than the other schools.  But I do wonder, do all these state schools give their programs (coaches salaries, travel, facilities) the same budget?  They would have to (I would assume) if they formed their own league.

[theoriginalupstate]

Awesome preformance by the Bills....

Could this team suffer anymore injuries?

Sad that JP and Trent Edwards are on the same level, and JP has 4 years on Edwards....

The Buffalo Bills are officially on the clock for the 2008 NFL draft, too many injuries and too much inconsistancy from the QB and the coaches to be competitive....

Man, i totally forgot what its like to root for a winner....oh wait, i forgot im a SJF alum.  Nevermind!

[maxpower]

The IC/SJF game yesterday was the beginning of a change of power in D3 football in NYS.  IC looked terrible yesterday and that was essentially their season after a loss the previous week to Hartwick.  The loss of 2 GREAT coordinators is finally catching up with IC.  It's no coincidence that the offense struggled last year without Angelico and this year is much of the same.  Defensively, well when your stuck on the field for all that time thanks to the 3 and outs your offense is giving you it makes it tough.  SJF didn't have a player the caliber of the Hartwick QB and yet we still get 30+ points dumped us!  I'm not sure where this team is headed, but with Brockport, Alfred, and Springfield still left on the schedule things don't look good.  If the coaching staff couldn't get the boys up for yesterdays game how can we expect them to come out strong the rest of the way.  In my opinion were seeing Welch in a situation were maybe he is only as good as the coaches around him, and without Angelico and Raymond were NOT THAT GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!             

I think the change of power has been happening for a few years. IC has had a slow erosion of talent and dominance for a few years. Meanwhile Fisher has been getting better and better since 2001 (3-7, 6-4, 8-3, 10-2, 8-3, 12-2), because of that Fisher is starting to become more of the power in upstate football (won 3 of the last 4 against IC). However, during that time it is not like other teams have not risen and fallen. Buff State and Brockport come to mind as teams that were at the top, and they have dropped.

I am sure IC will be back. This year may be a little down, but good programs come back. I will say that I think Fisher has a legitimate chance to become a power in upstate for the long haul. They have great recruiting area, great facilities, and now a winning program. Since Growney Stadium was built, the program has gotten better and better. I think Fisher is here to stay, and I can not wait for the future battles between IC and SJF to be tops in NY> 

All this talk about how Fisher became great without one single mention of the Buffalo Bills? That's a lot of words.

[not so rowdy bomber]

... not so rowd-.... yeah, not so much...

-FDC turnout.... terrible.  Not sure where all the new and old recruits went.  At least 75 FDC'ers rostered.  About 17 showed... v. dissappointed.

-glad Highlife made the trip from DuBois, PA and MIYH from Color-a-do.

- Fans... oh boy.  (Fisher fans... thank you for traveling s well and thanks to the folks I met in the parking lot.  all wished the FDC well and appreciated us sticking around and for the fun we had in the bleachers last year.)  Its tough to stomach a beating... but man, quite and odd sight... seems like everyone had an appointment at the library yesterday

Issues:
-Need a presiden who is pro-athletics.  Not one that just comes to the games and shows support.
-Where is that new field house and facilities that have been promised for years?
-When are the Jets/ Giants going to set up shop in Bomberville... or was it the Raiders.. I hear they might want to move to the Finger Lakes region... jk
-What happened to the Welch regime that NRSB has gotten used to over the past 5 years?  Please dont tell me that this is the end... please... please...
-When are the Bombers going to learn how to tackle.  ... note the period (.)  That is a stern statement.  Yesterday was aweful...  No excuses.

-NSRB doesnt want to complain... he just wants answers really.  After seeing the Kings game and hearing about the Hartwick game ... shouldnt the guys at least turned things around.. at least a little bit?

-Fisher... did well... kinda, specially on 3rd and 4th downs...  to be honest, i expected you boys to be a helluva lot better than what I saw... (maybe it was the hype from the fisher guys on here, or the run for the title playing against the big guys last fall, or maybe it was the shock from last years experience in Pittsford... but, NSRB wasnt really impressed... not to take away any thing from what they did, by any means... but just wasnt what I had expected from the red birds.  best of luck... just hope you dont play like that against a team who is ready to play you... cause we sure werent.  the "amazing" officiating didnt help the sinking ship either

...  good thing lady nsrb drove up from Erie for the game to console and meet the FDC crew.  go bombe-  ...  go do something, like... read tackle books.. or... stuff.  Welch: Find new coaching staff... (i.e. bring back Tariq and Bicher)

and for Jim Butterfield's sake... somebody find some linemen!

[theoriginalupstate]

play like what? please elaborate.....

From what I saw, they blocked well, tackled well and made plays on offense and defense when it mattered. 

[not so rowdy bomber]

play like what? please elaborate.....

From what I saw, they blocked well, tackled well and made plays on offense and defense when it mattered. 

What I'm trying to say was .. I thought you boys were gonna come out of the blocks and run over us end to end and out play us in every sense of the game. 

What i saw was decent, conservative football.. wasnt anything to write home about.  Ithaca's bend dont break is crap.. if we had guys trying to intercept and make plays .. rather than trying to contain fisher.. i think the game would have been alot more interesting. it kills me to see us just not engaged in the game... Juvan had his moments along with Bostic.. the rest of the guys just havent shown me much.

Like i said,  not trying to take away from what took place... i just had a lot more expectations from you boys.. you did alright against a mediocre Bomber showing.  (Ithaca)the talent is there.. the communication, motivation, and desire isnt.  From what I saw.. those guys seem pretty content to be where they are at.. a 4-5 team who is gonna chance it with Cortland to save Welch's streak alive...

[FisherAlum05]

play like what? please elaborate.....

From what I saw, they blocked well, tackled well and made plays on offense and defense when it mattered. 

What I'm trying to say was .. I thought you boys were gonna come out of the blocks and run over us end to end and out play us in every sense of the game. 

What i saw was decent, conservative football.. wasnt anything to write home about.  Ithaca's bend dont break is crap.. if we had guys trying to intercept and make plays .. rather than trying to contain fisher.. i think the game would have been alot more interesting. it kills me to see us just not engaged in the game... Juvan had his moments along with Bostic.. the rest of the guys just havent shown me much.

Like i said,  not trying to take away from what took place... i just had a lot more expectations from you boys.. you did alright against a mediocre Bomber showing.  (Ithaca)the talent is there.. the communication, motivation, and desire isnt.  From what I saw.. those guys seem pretty content to be where they are at.. a 4-5 team who is gonna chance it with Cortland to save Welch's streak alive...

and here we go again!  NSRB, the game was not even close and could have been much worse.  We did alright?  It was a huge game at Butterfield, and we basically moved the ball at will.  Don't come on here and say that crap.  We pounded you, period. 

Us Fisher posters have been very cordial after a big win.  But posts like yours force us to go into a defensive mode. 

[pg04]

I agree that you pounded them from watching the D3cast.  What did he want? You guys to come out and blow them out 66-0? Give me a break! 

There was even mention of officiating in the post!