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[Saxon73]

I believe I congratulated the Cardinals on last years victory.

[msarge7]

Hey Upstate, I'll bet if you check, Keeley's numbers from the Fisher game 2 years ago were pretty good (was he really the 4th string QB the year before at SJF??!!)!?  I believe he quarterbacked AU to a win on Fisher's field.  Of course, Brenton Brady and the defense played a big part in that win too.  I'm hoping for an instant replay again this year.

[BoSox0322]

RPI > Ithaca. In science only.

Also:

i guess im confused---If fisher wins out--they would most likely be tied with AU and possibly Hartwick---if wick beats springfield...
who gets the e8?

We talked about this a few days ago actually.  It is very possible that a 3-way tie could occur at the top of the E8.  Then, all sorts of things come into play to determine the AQ.

Scores vs. the 5,6,and 7 teams at the bottom of the conference.
Strength of Schedule Index
And some other crap I cant remember...

My guess is, that if Fisher finishes at 9-1 (5-1), Alfred at 9-1 (5-1), and Hartwick at 8-2 (5-1), Hartwick will most likely be left out of the big dance.  Either Fisher or Alfred will get the AQ, with the other getting a Pool C bid.  Hartwick's strength of schedule would be the key if this happens.  Their non-conference slate includes Western New England, Husson, Becker, and Mt. Ida.  Thats pretty weak.  Husson is competitive, but the other 3 are terrible (although WNE beat Hartwick somehow).  Fisher's non-conference slate includes Kings, Buffalo State, Rochester, and Brockport. 

King's  0 - 5  Buff State 2 -3  Rochester 2-3  Port 2 - 3

I'm just sayin ....

So you're going to call someone out for not providing context on a team's record... by providing four team records with equally absent context? What if all four of those teams played Mount Union? If one of the methods is worthless, they all are; I'm betting on the latter.


Also, nice ATR column dew. I reluctantly agree about the Hartwick snub, though. Their offense went insane at Alfred; most games that'd be good enough to win.

No... it was my rebuttle to his comment that Hartwicks out of conference sucked... i was just saying its not like theirs was outwardly impressive

[Pat Coleman]

2. Go to that D1 soccer team and pull some kid who doesn't speak english down the hill for kick-offs. Their defense is bend don't break, but when the other team is starting at midfield after every kickoff it doesn't take much to break.

If he's on scholarship for soccer then he cannot play Division III football.

[Pat Coleman]

They are voting on scores they read.

And the opponents' records, and the location of the games.

[Yanks 99]

Admiral - (actually some years ago I was privileged to attend Office of Naval Research meetings on behalf of Motorola )  I don't know where AU found their kickoff specialist but he put several kicks into the endzone. The punt and kickoff return guys for AU did a very good job and we have a field goal kicker.  From all the discussions the AU special team players have not gotten their just dessert - again reinforcing my personal thoughts of the AU diversified or "complete" team so far.

Saxon...I had commented about the kicker from Alfred on Sunday.  That kid has a great leg.  He kicked off I believe 8 times (opening kickoff, after 6 touchdowns, and one field goal).  All but two of them went deep into the endzone, and one of the two that did not was a pooch kick right before half time.  He drilled every extra point, and had the one field goal.  Its rare to see a kicker with that good of a leg at this level and the confidence to boot.  I am willing to bet he could hit a 50 yarder with pressure no problem.

The Saxons offense is scary.  Very, very balanced...can pretty much run or pass at will, and more importantly with a purpose.  That with a good kicker makes them a threat to score everytime they pass the 50.

[Saxon73]

Hey Upstate, I'll bet if you check, Keeley's numbers from the Fisher game 2 years ago were pretty good (was he really the 4th string QB the year before at SJF??!!)!?  I believe he quarterbacked AU to a win on Fisher's field.  Of course, Brenton Brady and the defense played a big part in that win too.  I'm hoping for an instant replay again this year.

msarge7  -  I think you make a good point.  But as I recall (Pep can verify) that was the game we lost Julio - could have used him the next year and one of my main men Blake Fuller (LB) who took a year off.

[SJFF82]

Pat, just the guy I was looking for...I see the Catholic QB has the last name of Ricca.  Was there a "Ricca" that played for them in the 92-95 era?  Sounds familiar...

[Yanks 99]

RPI > Ithaca. In science only.

Also:

i guess im confused---If fisher wins out--they would most likely be tied with AU and possibly Hartwick---if wick beats springfield...
who gets the e8?

We talked about this a few days ago actually.  It is very possible that a 3-way tie could occur at the top of the E8.  Then, all sorts of things come into play to determine the AQ.

Scores vs. the 5,6,and 7 teams at the bottom of the conference.
Strength of Schedule Index
And some other crap I cant remember...

My guess is, that if Fisher finishes at 9-1 (5-1), Alfred at 9-1 (5-1), and Hartwick at 8-2 (5-1), Hartwick will most likely be left out of the big dance.  Either Fisher or Alfred will get the AQ, with the other getting a Pool C bid.  Hartwick's strength of schedule would be the key if this happens.  Their non-conference slate includes Western New England, Husson, Becker, and Mt. Ida.  Thats pretty weak.  Husson is competitive, but the other 3 are terrible (although WNE beat Hartwick somehow).  Fisher's non-conference slate includes Kings, Buffalo State, Rochester, and Brockport. 

King's  0 - 5  Buff State 2 -3  Rochester 2-3  Port 2 - 3

I'm just sayin ....

So you're going to call someone out for not providing context on a team's record... by providing four team records with equally absent context? What if all four of those teams played Mount Union? If one of the methods is worthless, they all are; I'm betting on the latter.


Also, nice ATR column dew. I reluctantly agree about the Hartwick snub, though. Their offense went insane at Alfred; most games that'd be good enough to win.

No... it was my rebuttle to his comment that Hartwicks out of conference sucked... i was just saying its not like theirs was outwardly impressive

BoSox, check out my earlier comment.  Wick's current non-conference combined winning percentage is .391, while SJF's is .300.  Husson...who could finish at 6-3, could end up being a big win for 'Wick if they use the whole non-conference thing.

[Saxon73]

Admiral - (actually some years ago I was privileged to attend Office of Naval Research meetings on behalf of Motorola )  I don't know where AU found their kickoff specialist but he put several kicks into the endzone. The punt and kickoff return guys for AU did a very good job and we have a field goal kicker.  From all the discussions the AU special team players have not gotten their just dessert - again reinforcing my personal thoughts of the AU diversified or "complete" team so far.

Saxon...I had commented about the kicker from Alfred on Sunday.  That kid has a great leg.  He kicked off I believe 8 times (opening kickoff, after 6 touchdowns, and one field goal).  All but two of them went deep into the endzone, and one of the two that did not was a pooch kick right before half time.  He drilled every extra point, and had the one field goal.  Its rare to see a kicker with that good of a leg at this level and the confidence to boot.  I am willing to bet he could hit a 50 yarder with pressure no problem.

The Saxons offense is scary.  Very, very balanced...can pretty much run or pass at will, and more importantly with a purpose.  That with a good kicker makes them a threat to score everytime they pass the 50.

I agree he is a real talent and does't look very big.  Back in the 70's we had a FG kicker doing 50+ yards.  I think he got a tryout with the Bills but obviously didn'y make it.

[theoriginalupstate]

Hey Upstate, I'll bet if you check, Keeley's numbers from the Fisher game 2 years ago were pretty good (was he really the 4th string QB the year before at SJF??!!)!?  I believe he quarterbacked AU to a win on Fisher's field.  Of course, Brenton Brady and the defense played a big part in that win too.  I'm hoping for an instant replay again this year.

Towards the end of that season the team was a mess....

The OC from that team (05) is now at UR and the QB from that team was replaced in the begining of the following season by some unknown Kramer kid.  

Yes he really was the 4th stringer, why I dont know....but probably because of the former OC liked to play favorites and never really gave him a chance.

[SJFF82]

RPI > Ithaca. In science only.

Also:

i guess im confused---If fisher wins out--they would most likely be tied with AU and possibly Hartwick---if wick beats springfield...
who gets the e8?

We talked about this a few days ago actually.  It is very possible that a 3-way tie could occur at the top of the E8.  Then, all sorts of things come into play to determine the AQ.

Scores vs. the 5,6,and 7 teams at the bottom of the conference.
Strength of Schedule Index
And some other crap I cant remember...

My guess is, that if Fisher finishes at 9-1 (5-1), Alfred at 9-1 (5-1), and Hartwick at 8-2 (5-1), Hartwick will most likely be left out of the big dance.  Either Fisher or Alfred will get the AQ, with the other getting a Pool C bid.  Hartwick's strength of schedule would be the key if this happens.  Their non-conference slate includes Western New England, Husson, Becker, and Mt. Ida.  Thats pretty weak.  Husson is competitive, but the other 3 are terrible (although WNE beat Hartwick somehow).  Fisher's non-conference slate includes Kings, Buffalo State, Rochester, and Brockport. 

King's  0 - 5  Buff State 2 -3  Rochester 2-3  Port 2 - 3

I'm just sayin ....

So you're going to call someone out for not providing context on a team's record... by providing four team records with equally absent context? What if all four of those teams played Mount Union? If one of the methods is worthless, they all are; I'm betting on the latter.


Also, nice ATR column dew. I reluctantly agree about the Hartwick snub, though. Their offense went insane at Alfred; most games that'd be good enough to win.

No... it was my rebuttle to his comment that Hartwicks out of conference sucked... i was just saying its not like theirs was outwardly impressive

Cannot just compare the records of those OOC teams.  UR, Buff State and B-port's records are the result of much tougher competition than that of Mt Ida, Becker, etc...  Buff State beat Cortland for example.  Does either Becker, Mt Ida, Husson or Western NE have a win or even an opponent of that quality?

[AUPepBand]

Hey Upstate, I'll bet if you check, Keeley's numbers from the Fisher game 2 years ago were pretty good (was he really the 4th string QB the year before at SJF??!!)!?  I believe he quarterbacked AU to a win on Fisher's field.  Of course, Brenton Brady and the defense played a big part in that win too.  I'm hoping for an instant replay again this year.

msarge7  -  I think you make a good point.  But as I recall (Pep can verify) that was the game we lost Julio - could have used him the next year and one of my main men Blake Fuller (LB) who took a year off.

We didn't lose Julio that game, Saxon, that was the game in which Julio pretty much established himself as the starting Saxon tailback. After Fisher had taken a 7-3 lead, we ran Julio on draw play after draw play after draw play then hit TE Chris Reger for the go-ahead TD. Julio danced some more in the Fisher secondary on AU's next drive, which resulted in Chris Reynolds' second FG of the day, which was responsible for the 13-7 win.

"It's up! It's good! It's REYNOLDS!
Nice legs!" "Woo hoo!!"

For the record, Reynolds had FIVE touchbacks in Saterday's game out of seven kick-offs. Pep has seen him hit a 50-yard FG in practice with ease. Heck, he had a 47-yarder up at Norwich. The Pittsford kid has been a tremendous contributor all four years. He has greatly improved his strength on kickoffs. In his freshman and perhaps even sophomore season, he was #2 kickoff specialist. He's a great kid to boot.

[SJFF82]

He's a great kid to boot.....No pun intended...right Pep?

[pg04]

RPI > Ithaca. In science only.

Also:

i guess im confused---If fisher wins out--they would most likely be tied with AU and possibly Hartwick---if wick beats springfield...
who gets the e8?

We talked about this a few days ago actually.  It is very possible that a 3-way tie could occur at the top of the E8.  Then, all sorts of things come into play to determine the AQ.

Scores vs. the 5,6,and 7 teams at the bottom of the conference.
Strength of Schedule Index
And some other crap I cant remember...

My guess is, that if Fisher finishes at 9-1 (5-1), Alfred at 9-1 (5-1), and Hartwick at 8-2 (5-1), Hartwick will most likely be left out of the big dance.  Either Fisher or Alfred will get the AQ, with the other getting a Pool C bid.  Hartwick's strength of schedule would be the key if this happens.  Their non-conference slate includes Western New England, Husson, Becker, and Mt. Ida.  Thats pretty weak.  Husson is competitive, but the other 3 are terrible (although WNE beat Hartwick somehow).  Fisher's non-conference slate includes Kings, Buffalo State, Rochester, and Brockport. 

King's  0 - 5  Buff State 2 -3  Rochester 2-3  Port 2 - 3

I'm just sayin ....

So you're going to call someone out for not providing context on a team's record... by providing four team records with equally absent context? What if all four of those teams played Mount Union? If one of the methods is worthless, they all are; I'm betting on the latter.


Also, nice ATR column dew. I reluctantly agree about the Hartwick snub, though. Their offense went insane at Alfred; most games that'd be good enough to win.

No... it was my rebuttle to his comment that Hartwicks out of conference sucked... i was just saying its not like theirs was outwardly impressive

Cannot just compare the records of those OOC teams.  UR, Buff State and B-port's records are the result of much tougher competition than that of Mt Ida, Becker, etc...  Buff State beat Cortland for example.  Does either Becker, Mt Ida, Husson or Western NE have a win or even an opponent of that quality?

Brockport beat Cortland.  However, Buff State only lost by 3 so your point is well taken.