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[admirals_vt]

If Fisher wins and Wick wins the AQ...They will be thrown in the pool c's with at Least the 2 loss teams of Ithaca/Cortland, Montclair, ALbright and Hobart if RPI and Hobart win their games and I will say that at least one team besides fisher gets a pool c...in my head only frank can correct me when I am wrong....

the team with the number 1 shot at a pool c would be
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Hobart (only if they win and RPI wins)
Ithaca/Cortland winner (though it will be harder for cortland to do it because of the Brockport loss)
Albright (they are the dark horse in my mind)
Montclair (that cortland loss could really end up biting them)

now what I am unsure of is  if Alfred wins does Hartwick in fact get a pool c, I believe that they might...but not sure

I don't think Wick will get in unless it is the AQ, not 100% sure but I think it is a long shot. The WNEC loss looks bad as far as people on these boards are concerned, but D3 guys correct me if I'm wrong, the NCAA does not have any criteria for how bad people think a team is.

Like most sports the NCAA has a point system based on where your wins and losses are and although some here will hate to admit it. If one of your two losses is at home I don't care if it was against a SJF or an RPI it is going to cost you more than Hartwick's loss on the road to WNEC.

[Jonny Utah]

If Fisher wins and Wick wins the AQ...They will be thrown in the pool c's with at Least the 2 loss teams of Ithaca/Cortland, Montclair, ALbright and Hobart if RPI and Hobart win their games and I will say that at least one team besides fisher gets a pool c...in my head only frank can correct me when I am wrong....

the team with the number 1 shot at a pool c would be
)

Hobart (only if they win and RPI wins)
Ithaca/Cortland winner (though it will be harder for cortland to do it because of the Brockport loss)
Albright (they are the dark horse in my mind)
Montclair (that cortland loss could really end up biting them)

now what I am unsure of is  if Alfred wins does Hartwick in fact get a pool c, I believe that they might...but not sure

I don't think Wick will get in unless it is the AQ, not 100% sure but I think it is a long shot. The WNEC loss looks bad as far as people on these boards are concerned, but D3 guys correct me if I'm wrong, the NCAA does not have any criteria for how bad people think a team is.

Like most sports the NCAA has a point system based on where your wins and losses are and although some here will hate to admit it. If one of your two losses is at home I don't care if it was against a SJF or an RPI it is going to cost you more than Hartwick's loss on the road to WNEC.

It looks to me that the WNEC loss only matters because it is a loss to an in-region opponent.  Plus it would hurt any SOS that is involved too.

[admirals_vt]

If Fisher wins and Wick wins the AQ...They will be thrown in the pool c's with at Least the 2 loss teams of Ithaca/Cortland, Montclair, ALbright and Hobart if RPI and Hobart win their games and I will say that at least one team besides fisher gets a pool c...in my head only frank can correct me when I am wrong....

the team with the number 1 shot at a pool c would be
)

Hobart (only if they win and RPI wins)
Ithaca/Cortland winner (though it will be harder for cortland to do it because of the Brockport loss)
Albright (they are the dark horse in my mind)
Montclair (that cortland loss could really end up biting them)

now what I am unsure of is  if Alfred wins does Hartwick in fact get a pool c, I believe that they might...but not sure

I don't think Wick will get in unless it is the AQ, not 100% sure but I think it is a long shot. The WNEC loss looks bad as far as people on these boards are concerned, but D3 guys correct me if I'm wrong, the NCAA does not have any criteria for how bad people think a team is.

Like most sports the NCAA has a point system based on where your wins and losses are and although some here will hate to admit it. If one of your two losses is at home I don't care if it was against a SJF or an RPI it is going to cost you more than Hartwick's loss on the road to WNEC.

It looks to me that the WNEC loss only matters because it is a loss to an in-region opponent.  Plus it would hurt any SOS that is involved too.

But regardless of what anybody on here thinks, in the eyes of the NCAA when it comes to selections a 3-6 WNEC is the same as a 3-6 Springfield. Now when it comes to seedings that is where opinons on teams come in to play.

[superman57]

but admrial...Fisher did not lose to a 3-6 Springfield or WNEC...Wick did....

[admirals_vt]

but admrial...Fisher did not lose to a 3-6 Springfield or WNEC...Wick did....

My discussion was more towards the other 2-loss teams. If SJF wins next week and HC takes care of business, Hartwick will get the AQ, Fisher will get a Pool C and a very high seed.
If SJF loses I'm not sure what happens if both SJF and HC have two losses, there are so many factors; SOS, head-to-head, rankings......

[admirals_vt]

Going to have to pick up the discussion later. The Admiral has to take the wife to breakfast, after being on the road for 8 hours yesterday and heading out to watch the man Brett Favre and my Pack at 1:00.

[gobombers15]

Rams1102, I think some interesting justifications would have to be crafted if both Ithaca and Montclair stand at 8-2 and Montclair gets a Pool C over the Bombers. If both are 8-2, that would mean that IC just beat a team that trounced Montclair, say nothing about how well the Bombers have been playing since the Fisher game.

[rams1102]

I gotta disagree a bit about all the "East is strong" talk.  I think 'we' definately are deeper than in past years, but we lack the one or two stong powerhouses...no Rowan-like power.  Parity is good, but parity loses to MUC 56-0 every time (Capital, Ohio Northern, John Carroll)

I don't agree with that - MUC is in a class all by themselves, take them out of this discussion for a second.
I think top East Region teams can compete w/ teams like Capital, UW-Whitewater, etc. For example in 2006, I would have picked Fisher over Whitewater had they played each other.

I'm not saying that the East as a whole is quite at that level yet, but it's not very far behind.

Tags:  I agree with everything you said and even take it a bit further...put MUC in the equation and SJF goes to Alliance as we both saw last year and the 'East' did compete...

Yet looking at this year, and using the cliche "The sum is only as good as its parts" and I do not see that really powerful "part" this year in the EAST.   Even as you state without MUC in the equation, the East could compete with the Capitals and Whitewaters...I agree, except competing with teams that consistently got absolutely destroyed by MUC this year does not give me any semblance of belief that the East has a shot this year.  The three teams that I indicated were Capital, Ohio Northern and John Carroll, at least 2 if not all three were highly ranked at some point this season (Capital in the top 5 at one point).  Those teams got baked.  The East's best (SJF TCNJ RPI BART IC AU, and even 'WICK right now, better be better than losing 56-0 to MUC, or I cannot believe that the East is that strong (this year).

The East has competed with MUC in recent years...Rowan and SJF, and has even beat them at their best...Rowan (although it has been several years now).  The point is that I just dont see that Rowan squad, or that '06 SJF squad in this bunch of good East teams that 'we' will be sending off to the NCAA's shortly.

SJF lost to 'Wick
RPI lost to Rochester
AU is losing to everyone right now
TCNJ  has really looked the most dominate overall
BART is playing solid but might not even make the play-offs
IC is playing damn well, but they aren't getting in either
WICK:  wow, beat SJF, IC and SC this year....bet a dollar on that next year in   Vegas....but really, where is the Curry of the E8 going in the play-offs?

I just can't make a stong argument for any of these teams doing serious damage in the final 4...the good thing is one has to get to the final 4 and by then whoever it is will certainly have a ton of momentum having won at least 3 straight games against quality teams...and then you never know I guess?
Hopefully it will be SJF as they start their 'play-off' season next Saterday at Growney...Bring on the PepBand!

For some reason Montclair is not mentioned. Beat a ranked Wesley and a legit powerhouse, beat a ranked 2-0 Springfield then had 2 clunkers in the NJAC. Still a 7-2 record and should finish 8-2 and should have equal status with the above, with the exception of Fisher if the beat Alfred. Comments?

Did not intentionally omit Montclair, but that 30 point loss to the team that Ithaca hates is troubling...but in as much as 'Wick lost to that NEFC team and I mentioned them...then Montclair is in the mix...

If we play 110% for 60 minutes it would be a whole different story, ie losing by 30 to the team Ithaca hates when it was close at half. Then beating Wesley a true powerhous and #7. The saga of Montclair, but I still keep up the support.

[Yanks 99]

Great games yesterday.  I'm just glad that the onside kick in the 'Wick-Springfield game came down on the "right" side.  It took a Springfield bounce at the end, and at least one Springfield player looked like he got his hand on it before Joe Rocco came down with it.  Some observations for next week:

1) I get the feeling that 'Wick definately will not overlook Utica.  At Utica...new coach, new energy, playing at home in what will be the Pioneers last game of the year.  It looks as if 'Wick is treating this one as a mini playoff game, much like Fisher is against Alfred, with all three teams playing for their playoff lives (maybe not Fisher, they could possibly get a Pool C bid with a loss...for 'Wick, a lot would have to happen, and I don't see Alfred getting anything, including possibly ECAC's, with 3 straight losses to end the year).

2) Just throwing this out there...but maybe we have given far too much credit to RPI.  Yes, it is hard to argue when a team is undefeated that a team is overrated...and I wouldn't have thrown this out there last week.  But a week after winning in overtime against a 4-5 team in WPI, and losing to a Rochester team that hadn't beat a soul until yesterday's game, you have to wonder.  If RPI loses to Union next week (at Union) then RPI will end the year at 8-2 with exactly ONE win over a team with a record above .500, in Hobart.  The only other team on their schedule that RPI beat that even has a shot at finishing at .500 is WPI, who could finish 5-5 if they beat SLU next weekend.  Obviously, all of this is a moot point if RPI wins next week and finishes 9-1.

3) I am also not sure of where all the talk of Ithaca getting a Pool C bid is coming from.  I just think their will be too many teams out there at 8-2, possibly 9-1 (in Fisher if they beat Alfred and then 'Wick takes down Utica) that take this spot over Ithaca.  Ithaca had a great year, especially if they beat Cortland next week, but who exactly do they get the Pool C bid over?  Assuming Hartwick can hang on against Utica and Alfred beats SJF, both of these teams should get the Pool C over Ithaca, as 'Wick and Fisher would then finish the year with the same record as Ithaca (8-2) with both teams beating the Bombers head to head.  The NJAC and the LL still need to be sorted out.

Food for thought...probably 90% of this will be worked out on the field this weekend.

[superman57]

Alfred blows monkey chunks

[maninorangehat]

alfred 33 ithaca 19
Springfield 27 wick 46

sorry front running ithaca and fisher fans but its not your time now!have fun talking smack when your ecac champs like we had to for all those years.

Go wick

And Al Fred U University- A University consists of many colleges, as in the college of fine arts, botany, electrical engineering, i.e. many different courses of study. A College is a smaller institution which only has one course to study.

sorry ithaca you'll rebuild eventually

Silly goat

Cortland Sucks
Go Bombers

[Tags]

alfred 33 ithaca 19
Springfield 27 wick 46

sorry front running ithaca and fisher fans but its not your time now!have fun talking smack when your ecac champs like we had to for all those years.

Go wick

And Al Fred U University- A University consists of many colleges, as in the college of fine arts, botany, electrical engineering, i.e. many different courses of study. A College is a smaller institution which only has one course to study.

sorry ithaca you'll rebuild eventually

Silly goat

Ya, that was just a stupid thing to say. His credibility takes a shot with that --- IC is 8-2 and playing pretty good ball. I think they're down a little talent wise, but rebuild is the complete wrong term to use, especially in the context he used it... like they were 2-8.

[BoSox0322]

I gotta disagree a bit about all the "East is strong" talk.  I think 'we' definately are deeper than in past years, but we lack the one or two stong powerhouses...no Rowan-like power.  Parity is good, but parity loses to MUC 56-0 every time (Capital, Ohio Northern, John Carroll)

I don't agree with that - MUC is in a class all by themselves, take them out of this discussion for a second.
I think top East Region teams can compete w/ teams like Capital, UW-Whitewater, etc. For example in 2006, I would have picked Fisher over Whitewater had they played each other.

I'm not saying that the East as a whole is quite at that level yet, but it's not very far behind.

Tags:  I agree with everything you said and even take it a bit further...put MUC in the equation and SJF goes to Alliance as we both saw last year and the 'East' did compete...

Yet looking at this year, and using the cliche "The sum is only as good as its parts" and I do not see that really powerful "part" this year in the EAST.   Even as you state without MUC in the equation, the East could compete with the Capitals and Whitewaters...I agree, except competing with teams that consistently got absolutely destroyed by MUC this year does not give me any semblance of belief that the East has a shot this year.  The three teams that I indicated were Capital, Ohio Northern and John Carroll, at least 2 if not all three were highly ranked at some point this season (Capital in the top 5 at one point).  Those teams got baked.  The East's best (SJF TCNJ RPI BART IC AU, and even 'WICK right now, better be better than losing 56-0 to MUC, or I cannot believe that the East is that strong (this year).

The East has competed with MUC in recent years...Rowan and SJF, and has even beat them at their best...Rowan (although it has been several years now).  The point is that I just dont see that Rowan squad, or that '06 SJF squad in this bunch of good East teams that 'we' will be sending off to the NCAA's shortly.

SJF lost to 'Wick
RPI lost to Rochester
AU is losing to everyone right now
TCNJ  has really looked the most dominate overall
BART is playing solid but might not even make the play-offs
IC is playing damn well, but they aren't getting in either
WICK:  wow, beat SJF, IC and SC this year....bet a dollar on that next year in   Vegas....but really, where is the Curry of the E8 going in the play-offs?

I just can't make a stong argument for any of these teams doing serious damage in the final 4...the good thing is one has to get to the final 4 and by then whoever it is will certainly have a ton of momentum having won at least 3 straight games against quality teams...and then you never know I guess?
Hopefully it will be SJF as they start their 'play-off' season next Saterday at Growney...Bring on the PepBand!

bitter

[Tags]

WICK:  wow, beat SJF, IC and SC this year....bet a dollar on that next year in   Vegas....but really, where is the Curry of the E8 going in the play-offs?

bitter
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Maybe, but it's pretty accurate.

[BoSox0322]

WICK:  wow, beat SJF, IC and SC this year....bet a dollar on that next year in   Vegas....but really, where is the Curry of the E8 going in the play-offs?

bitter

Maybe, but it's pretty accurate.
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pretty pathetic...