FB: Empire 8

[chris7sarge]

Well does AU do it?

They do a better job of it than a lot of other teams do around here...

Yes.  So does Fisher, Wick, Utica, Norwich, and every other school in America.  

I am getting the impression that you havent run many routes throughout your career and/or dont understand the basics of a passing game.

SJF has exactly ONE pass play where the WR reads the coverage and adjusts his route according to my 03 playbook. Also, I can still go to games and pick out %99 of the plays as they are signaled in from the sideline so pretty much nothing has changed.

Maybe SJF has one option route called at the line that leaves it up to the WR/QB, but they still have to read the defense on almost every pass play.  For instance, a sit route for a slot wr may be called with the playcall whre the wr is supposed to "sit" over the center/tackle whateve the team has determined.  This works great against a zone defense.  And it may look like the D is playing a zone defense at the snap.  Then they roll to man and send a lb on a blitz.  If that wr still "sits" over the center, he allows himself to be covered.  He therefore is supposed to run away from the coverage and convert that to a crossing route where he keeps running.  This is the tip of the ice (O) burg.  
On the other hand, a crossing route may be called that makes no sense to keep sprinting across the field with against a zone D.  Therefore the wr will slow down and/or sit in the holes of the d (predetermined by team).
These are not option routes but must be read and determined at the line.  Just like IC.  Just like every other school in America.

[theicdubbz]

I hear that most of MUC's oponents in the OAC are equivalent to the E8's Norwich & Utica.

OMG!!! ... apparently you didn't get the memo.

no teams in the OAC have ever lost to anyone else except MUC.

talk about lack of respect!

isnt it true that all games played by an OAC team is against another OAC team because their conference is so large?    I also thought that this year the OAC is in tough shape?... obviously since no one seems to score on the top team.

[theoriginalupstate]

SJF's offense runs the routes the same vs Zone or Man.  There will be someone open vs each defense. 

[chris7sarge]

SJF's offense runs the routes the same vs Zone or Man.  There will be someone open vs each defense. 

Wow.  Then they are the only team in america.  These are basics of an offense.  So how does a sit route get open against a man defense?  What about cover 3 vs. cover 2 or cover 4 defenses?  It still doesnt change?  Just because it doesnt diagram that in the playbook does not mean that it is not understood between coaches and players that there are conversions vs. different defenses.  Otherwise you dont account for a d's weakness.  I think you are very wrong.

[theoriginalupstate]

SJF's offense runs the routes the same vs Zone or Man.  There will be someone open vs each defense. 

Wow.  Then they are the only team in america.  These are basics of an offense.  So how does a sit route get open against a man defense?  What about cover 3 vs. cover 2 or cover 4 defenses?  It still doesnt change?  Just because it doesnt diagram that in the playbook does not mean that it is not understood between coaches and players that there are conversions vs. different defenses.  Otherwise you dont account for a d's weakness.  I think you are very wrong.

Nope. 

[Toph]

But honestly, when u say 3 points all year, it does make Mount look awesome, but at the same time it makes every other team they play look miserable and terribly uncoached.

You wouldn't be saying that if you'd seen the games live.  The OAC is down, yes.  But it's not like Mount is playing high school teams week in and week out.  Don't forget, at one point this season the OAC made up 20% of the d3football.com Top 25.

[chris7sarge]

SJF's offense runs the routes the same vs Zone or Man.  There will be someone open vs each defense. 

Wow.  Then they are the only team in america.  These are basics of an offense.  So how does a sit route get open against a man defense?  What about cover 3 vs. cover 2 or cover 4 defenses?  It still doesnt change?  Just because it doesnt diagram that in the playbook does not mean that it is not understood between coaches and players that there are conversions vs. different defenses.  Otherwise you dont account for a d's weakness.  I think you are very wrong.

Nope. 

Nope?  Explain please.
Also, if you could go into depth how much you were involved with the WR's/Qb's that'd be helpful.  What position did you play?

[JQV]

What does everyone predict will happen between Curry and Hartwick? I think Hartwick has a chance, and will win.

The annual first round game featuring the NEFC's current sacrificial lamb is not worthy of discussion until the NEFC sends a team to the playoffs that at least makes the first round competitive.  That said, Hartwick better win.  No one wants to be the first team in East Region history to lay down to the NEFC.

If Juvon beats MUC and takes us further into the playoffs would that make him worthy of being in comparison to Felicetti?  the ole #3 had a magic year ending at RPI and the infamous 03 [size=06pt](or 04)[/size] team that fell just short and still makes Tecmo and Jose cringe at the thoughts of what could have been.

Interesting question Dubbz which will be worthy of more discussion when the season is finally over.  The way I see it, his career to date puts him on a par with BY.  Good, albeit erratic, regular season QB.  If Juvan takes more than 1 snap in the playoffs, he will have surpassed BY's postseason accomplishments.

[realistic]

however....that more because of a Monclair cheap shot than anything BY did.  Just to clarify.

[theicdubbz]

But honestly, when u say 3 points all year, it does make Mount look awesome, but at the same time it makes every other team they play look miserable and terribly uncoached.

You wouldn't be saying that if you'd seen the games live.  The OAC is down, yes.  But it's not like Mount is playing high school teams week in and week out.  Don't forget, at one point this season the OAC made up 20% of the d3football.com Top 25.

I think at one point the E8 had 3 or 4 in the top 25.  Ithaca, SJF, Alfred, Springfield, Hartwick.  wait, they weren't all at the same time.  not bad though having 5 of 7 teams ranked in the top 25 throughout the year. 

[Knightstalker]

But honestly, when u say 3 points all year, it does make Mount look awesome, but at the same time it makes every other team they play look miserable and terribly uncoached.

You wouldn't be saying that if you'd seen the games live.  The OAC is down, yes.  But it's not like Mount is playing high school teams week in and week out.  Don't forget, at one point this season the OAC made up 20% of the d3football.com Top 25.

I think at one point the E8 had 3 or 4 in the top 25.  Ithaca, SJF, Alfred, Springfield, Hartwick.  wait, they weren't all at the same time.  not bad though having 5 of 7 teams ranked in the top 25 throughout the year. 

To have made up 20% of the top 25 in any week the OAC would have had to have 5 teams ranked, the most I counted in any week (towards the beginning to middle of season) is 4 teams.  The E8 had 3 teams ranked in one week.  I won't argue that Mount has the best ranking, they deserve it but in the last poll SJF is well above the next OAC team.  Take away MUC and both conferences are fairly even this season in my less than humble opinion.

[AUKaz00]

Aside from putting up a lot of points, Mt. Union also puts up a lot of posts!

On to Kaz00's East Region predictions:

Mt. Union 35 - Ithaca 19
Curry 36 - Hartwick 41
RPI 13 - TCNJ 20
Fisher 27 - Hobart 24

And a prediction for the ECAC at Merrill:
Alfred 31 - Rochester 24

[Bombers798891]

I've been coming to Bomber games since 1988, and for a long time, IC was run dominated (Mike Scott, Paul Parker and the unstoppable Jeff Wittman). Since the mid 90's the Bombers have been pass-oriented. There are really 4 QB's in question here: Mike O'Donovan, Brian Young, Josh, and Dan. Here's one man's ranking:

1. Felliceti
2. O'Donovan
3. Juvan
4. Young

The reasoning? I thought Brian Young was mistake prone at times and had a lot of turnovers. I rank O'Donovan ahead of Juvan mostly because Juvan had an average (was it 12 TD's-8 INT's?) sophomore season. I think it's safe to say that he moves up past Mike with a solid season next year.

Josh is a clear cut number one, although I do believe he gets helped by a better group of WR's (Welch, Esposito, and the TE Vinnie Dargush) than Dan has currently.

Does Juvan jump past some people with a win over MUC? Maybe. It would certainly be the most high-profile win for Ithaca in about 15 years and they would probably need to score 40+ points to do it. But I just don't know if this team can do it. I hope I'm wrong.

But, to date myself, I will say that Todd Wilkowski, '91 was at the helm of two National Title teams and engineered some amazing games (My favorite: a 23-20 win over D-II AIC when Ithaca had two TD's in the last 2:44. I still have the tape. His throw to Nick Ismailoff on the game-winner may be the most important throw in the last 20 years of Bomber football.) So any talk of great QB's and "winning" games, must include him

[fisheralum91]

where did this come from?
left field?
did i miss a conversation?

[Toph]

But honestly, when u say 3 points all year, it does make Mount look awesome, but at the same time it makes every other team they play look miserable and terribly uncoached.

You wouldn't be saying that if you'd seen the games live.  The OAC is down, yes.  But it's not like Mount is playing high school teams week in and week out.  Don't forget, at one point this season the OAC made up 20% of the d3football.com Top 25.

I think at one point the E8 had 3 or 4 in the top 25.  Ithaca, SJF, Alfred, Springfield, Hartwick.  wait, they weren't all at the same time.  not bad though having 5 of 7 teams ranked in the top 25 throughout the year. 

To have made up 20% of the top 25 in any week the OAC would have had to have 5 teams ranked, the most I counted in any week (towards the beginning to middle of season) is 4 teams.  The E8 had 3 teams ranked in one week.  I won't argue that Mount has the best ranking, they deserve it but in the last poll SJF is well above the next OAC team.  Take away MUC and both conferences are fairly even this season in my less than humble opinion.

You must've missed one in week 5.

1.  Mount Union
8.  Capital
9.  Ohio Northern
17.  Baldwin Wallace
24.  John Carroll

The way some folks are talking here you would think that Mount scheduled JV teams during the season.  The scary numbers they put up are very, very legit.

I think Mount beats Ithaca by about 35.