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[Jonny Utah]

Im thinking a jump to 1-AA would give him the same amount of playing time, with a better qb (At Umass anyway) to really showcase his talents. 

Then again, maybe he would be just another 1-AA wr that doesnt get drafted at all.....

Do 7th rounders get money though?

Just ask Marques Colston from New Orleans, one of the last picks in the 7th round out of Hofstra....

No, I know they CAN get money, but they dont get it the day they are drafted right?  Dont they sign for low non-guarenteed money?

[Frank Rossi]

Im thinking a jump to 1-AA would give him the same amount of playing time, with a better qb (At Umass anyway) to really showcase his talents. 

Then again, maybe he would be just another 1-AA wr that doesnt get drafted at all.....

Do 7th rounders get money though?

Just ask Marques Colston from New Orleans, one of the last picks in the 7th round out of Hofstra....

No, I know they CAN get money, but they dont get it the day they are drafted right?  Dont they sign for low non-guarenteed money?

http://www.combines.com/leagues/nfl.asp

[theoriginalupstate]

Im thinking a jump to 1-AA would give him the same amount of playing time, with a better qb (At Umass anyway) to really showcase his talents. 

Then again, maybe he would be just another 1-AA wr that doesnt get drafted at all.....

Do 7th rounders get money though?

Just ask Marques Colston from New Orleans, one of the last picks in the 7th round out of Hofstra....

No, I know they CAN get money, but they dont get it the day they are drafted right?  Dont they sign for low non-guarenteed money?

In the NFL contract the only thing that is guarenteed is the signing bonus, no matter what round.  There were a couple of third round picks that got cut in camp this year (buster davis by Arizona for one) that would of only came away with their singing bonus money if not picked up by another team.  

[Jonny Utah]

No Umass receivers (Umass is a top 5 1-AA team that would probably beat MUC by40+) are even on the list.....

Maybe Garcon is better off (he is faster though too)

[superman57]

Im thinking a jump to 1-AA would give him the same amount of playing time, with a better qb (At Umass anyway) to really showcase his talents. 

Then again, maybe he would be just another 1-AA wr that doesnt get drafted at all.....

Do 7th rounders get money though?

Just ask Marques Colston from New Orleans, one of the last picks in the 7th round out of Hofstra....

No, I know they CAN get money, but they dont get it the day they are drafted right?  Dont they sign for low non-guarenteed money?

I have experiance working on a 7th round draft pick contract... He will sign a contract for a bonus around 30,000 or so depending on how good his agent his, he will then sign for the league minimum for 3 years or so, and again depending on how good of agent he has and where he is drafted and if he is drafted we will see how the contract is structerd

[theoriginalupstate]

Im thinking a jump to 1-AA would give him the same amount of playing time, with a better qb (At Umass anyway) to really showcase his talents. 

Then again, maybe he would be just another 1-AA wr that doesnt get drafted at all.....

Do 7th rounders get money though?

Just ask Marques Colston from New Orleans, one of the last picks in the 7th round out of Hofstra....

No, I know they CAN get money, but they dont get it the day they are drafted right?  Dont they sign for low non-guarenteed money?

http://www.combines.com/leagues/nfl.asp

The salaries are spread out week-by-week and are not guarenteed the full ammount unless they are on the active roster (non practice squad) for the entire season.

[Jonny Utah]

Right.

So can I say that a lot of draft picks that end up getting cut never even make the 4K a week from the practice roster? (they wont hold out after being drafted as a late rounder..)

[Frank Rossi]

All well and good, but we're deviating from the main point of this.  Garcon started at Norwich and needed a path to the NFL.  Getting drafted is a huge start -- or, rather, a huge goal to attain.  He's got a sick 40yd time and he needed some stats to go with it.  There's no doubt that an agent-type helped him choreograph his moves in a way to give him an honest chance at the draft, and it's worked so far.

[Jonny Utah]

All well and good, but we're deviating from the main point of this.  Garcon started at Norwich and needed a path to the NFL.  Getting drafted is a huge start -- or, rather, a huge goal to attain.  He's got a sick 40yd time and he needed some stats to go with it.  There's no doubt that an agent-type helped him choreograph his moves in a way to give him an honest chance at the draft, and it's worked so far.

Yea maybe.  But his track times would still be the same at any level (Im thinking the track times are whats really helping him)

Im sure there will be just as many scouts questioning the difference between what he could do against the Michigan defensive backfield, and the Otterbein defensive backfiled.....

I hope he gets drafted...

[Knightstalker]

Going to MUC probably gets him almost as much or just as much exposure than UMass, and he did not have to sit out a year after transferring.

[Frank Rossi]

All well and good, but we're deviating from the main point of this.  Garcon started at Norwich and needed a path to the NFL.  Getting drafted is a huge start -- or, rather, a huge goal to attain.  He's got a sick 40yd time and he needed some stats to go with it.  There's no doubt that an agent-type helped him choreograph his moves in a way to give him an honest chance at the draft, and it's worked so far.

Yea maybe.  But his track times would still be the same at any level (Im thinking the track times are whats really helping him)

Im sure there will be just as many scouts questioning the difference between what he could do against the Michigan defensive backfield, and the Otterbein defensive backfiled.....

I hope he gets drafted...

You look at the order of the WRs listed, and 40yd times aren't in any sort of order...so there's a lot more than just pure speed in the rankings there.

[Jonny Utah]

Going to MUC probably gets him almost as much or just as much exposure than UMass, and he did not have to sit out a year after transferring.

Hey we need to get something straight here, I love d3 as much as anyone,  but top 1-AA teams put 1000X as many players into the NFL than d3 does.

I mean, if he is going to be able to play in the nfl, then he would probably be able to play at Umass or even Boston College or Michigan right?  The best way to make it to the nfl is to play division 1 ball.  You arent going to sneak a million dollar paycheck by playing for any d3 team thats for sure.

Bottom line is that he is going to have to earn his money. 

[Frank Rossi]

Going to MUC probably gets him almost as much or just as much exposure than UMass, and he did not have to sit out a year after transferring.

Hey we need to get something straight here, I love d3 as much as anyone,  but top 1-AA teams put 1000X as many players into the NFL than d3 does.

I mean, if he is going to be able to play in the nfl, then he would probably be able to play at Umass or even Boston College or Michigan right?  The best way to make it to the nfl is to play division 1 ball.  You arent going to sneak a million dollar paycheck by playing for any d3 team thats for sure.

Bottom line is that he is going to have to earn his money. 

Not disagreeing with that, JU, but the question with Garcon is more with his initial decision (Norwich)...he had to find a way to somehow move vertically in a hurry with respect to team and exposure.  He had no guarantees in I-AA schools, and he sees MUC putting up 50 points per game and getting national exposure annually.  He needed to do something virtually guaranteed with his remaining eligibility, and the higher levels may not have provided that opportunity.  Norwich was his first mistake if the NFL was truly his M.O. from day one.

[Jonny Utah]

Going to MUC probably gets him almost as much or just as much exposure than UMass, and he did not have to sit out a year after transferring.

Hey we need to get something straight here, I love d3 as much as anyone,  but top 1-AA teams put 1000X as many players into the NFL than d3 does.

I mean, if he is going to be able to play in the nfl, then he would probably be able to play at Umass or even Boston College or Michigan right?  The best way to make it to the nfl is to play division 1 ball.  You arent going to sneak a million dollar paycheck by playing for any d3 team thats for sure.

Bottom line is that he is going to have to earn his money. 

Not disagreeing with that, JU, but the question with Garcon is more with his initial decision (Norwich)...he had to find a way to somehow move vertically in a hurry with respect to team and exposure.  He had no guarantees in I-AA schools, and he sees MUC putting up 50 points per game and getting national exposure annually.  He needed to do something virtually guaranteed with his remaining eligibility, and the higher levels may not have provided that opportunity.  Norwich was his first mistake if the NFL was truly his M.O. from day one.

I guess my initial thought was if any 1-AA teams even knew about him?  I know they cant recruit him, but I wonder if the Don Brown/Umass gravevine ever reached out to Garcon when he was at Norwich.  Plus the fact that Umass is a big transfer/feeder program both ways (d1 down and d3 up)

[Tags]

Where've you been hiding, Tags?  You going to Alliance?

Sorry I missed you at Fisher Frank - No, I won't be heading to Alliance this year.