FB: Empire 8

[jaypeter]

We're still talking about our current season, not highlights from last season.

[boobyhasgameyo]

zing!

[jaypeter]

Yeah, I couldn't leave that one on the table...it was just too clean of a set-up.

[SJFF82]

Does anyone think MUC has a shot to win this week?

[jaypeter]

I think Mount has a shot to win, and do feel that they are likely to win. 

[lewdogg11]

I think Mount has a shot to win, and do feel that they are likely to win. 

I think it will be a close game.  Something like 79-2.  UWW may get a 2-0 leade early though.

[PBR...]

only thing uww has a chance at winning is the coin toss and even those odds against them...

[SJFF82]

I think Mount has a shot to win, and do feel that they are likely to win. 

Yeh me too...was just kiddin if it wasnt obvious....although, the article about Justin Beaver makes a pretty compelling story for an upset

[Frank Rossi]

Give UWW a little more credit than all this -- remember, they, too, have some key returning components and a pretty impressive level of strength this season.  Will they win?  No.  However, I see this game closer than most MUC games (saying a lot, I know -- collectively roll eyes).  Here's my guess of score by quarters:


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|Team          | 1st  | 2nd  | 3rd  | 4th  | Final |
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|UW-Whitewater |   7  |   3  |   0  |  10  |   20  |
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|Mount Union   |  10  |   7  |  10  |   7  |   34  |
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[jaypeter]

Frank,  I think you're on a pretty good road there.  I'm thinking in the neighborhood of a 10-14 pt. win.  Two possesion win, with UWW scoring with about 3 or 4 minutes to go to get to that margin.  Then a slow, hard push with Kmic to drain the clock.

[Tags]

Give UWW a little more credit than all this -- remember, they, too, have some key returning components and a pretty impressive level of strength this season.  Will they win?  No.  However, I see this game closer than most MUC games (saying a lot, I know -- collectively roll eyes).  Here's my guess of score by quarters:


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|Team          | 1st  | 2nd  | 3rd  | 4th  | Final |
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|UW-Whitewater |   7  |   3  |   0  |  10  |   20  |
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|Mount Union   |  10  |   7  |  10  |   7  |   34  |
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I personally just love Franks tables - Content doesn't really matter

[Tags]

Here is a quick summary of all the players named in the report:

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2007/12/13/THE_LIST/

[maxpower]

You guys are my family so I'm going to rant about the steroids thing.

1) I regret that steroids have become a problem. That said, with the public's attention on it, and with the new disciplinary steps (weird though they may be) I think the problem is getting better.

2) This report seems totally arbitrary and baseless. The guy went around trying to get people to name names and, according to some reports, bullying them to do so.

3) Taking away peoples' records is sooooo stupid. We don't know how much steroids help, and without knowing everyone that did them (which we never will), taking away records or using an asterisk is purely picking on people because they happen to be more talented. So, if you use steroids and you suck, that's okay? How come no one wants to erase Matt Lawton's HRs from the record book?

4) Yes, they "cheated". So, why is this kind of cheating different than Kenny Rogers' cheating? How come Barry Bonds is being threatened with an asterisk, and Gaylord Perry can go around on book tours talking about the spitter and he's in the hall of fame. Whitey scuffed the ball. Ty Cobb slid spikes up. These are all ways of cheating.

I mean, book tours! The guy BRAGS about it! Players cheat every damn day. It's a (regrettable) part of the game. They will always find new ways to do it. Not to mention that whether using steroids at the time was "cheating" at all is very ambiguous.

5) Yes, it's illegal. So is cocaine. And driving drunk. Next.

6) Yes, it's a bad example for children. This argument is actually, to me, the only one that has any credence. The only discipline I would like to see handed out to these players is forcing them to go to schools to give lectures on not taking steroids or something like that.

7) I guess to summarize, I DON'T CARE about steroids and want to just MOVE ON. I don't want to know who did steroids, it doesn't matter to me. You can tell who the truly gifted athletes are, steroids or not. I will always be in awe of Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. History is intelligent. We can look back at this time and think our own opinions of how much steroids helped certain players. But to take these people out of the Hall/asterisk is not the answer. The 90s players had advantages of steroids over history. Babe Ruth played in the no black people era. Bob Gibson pitched off a mound 10 feet high. Every era has its advantages and disadvantages, and people are smart enough to figure them out, we don't need Bud Selig telling us who is a good person and who is a good ballplayer and who is not. This is a black eye on the game and dragging it out, in ANY way, will only make it worse.

I don't care, I don't care, bring on 2008.

[superman57]

I was a little heart broken weh word came out that Andy Pettitie used steriods... but then again there are some names that are not totally suprising...Gagne got hurt the second they put the policy in place, Brian Roberts hit very few homeruns and then all the sudden went nuts... Chuck Knoblach s#it the bed after awhile

Mo Vaughn was just fat... Rondell  White was always injured

guys like Hundley were one hit wonders

[pg04]

Argh...I don't care about any of this... Why can't baseball just go away!