FB: Empire 8

[superman57]

seriously PG...this is some ground breaking stuff...I think the best this is to just let us talk about it for a couple of days till we get it out of our systems

[boobyhasgameyo]

Frank,  I think you're on a pretty good road there.  I'm thinking in the neighborhood of a 10-14 pt. win.  Two possesion win, with UWW scoring with about 3 or 4 minutes to go to get to that margin.  Then a slow, hard push with Kmic to drain the clock.

that's what she said

[pg04]

seriously PG...this is some ground breaking stuff...I think the best this is to just let us talk about it for a couple of days till we get it out of our systems

Groundbreaking? Not really.  Did you really think these guys weren't juiced in some way?  Especially with the MLB having such a nonchalante attitude about it? 

[superman57]

seriously PG...this is some ground breaking stuff...I think the best this is to just let us talk about it for a couple of days till we get it out of our systems

Groundbreaking? Not really.  Did you really think these guys weren't juiced in some way?  Especially with the MLB having such a nonchalante attitude about it? 

some of them ya... I knew they were juiced but it is still a big story...so stop being a puss, and either don't chat or give us your opinion on it

[fisheralum91]

Happy holidays boys--enjoy the stagg bowl!

MUC in a blowout me thinks.

They are really in a class by themselves.

Dont see whitewater giving them a run.

Would like to see a good game- but dont think it will happen.

[SJFF82]

Faggiano accepted head coaching position at Utica

[JQV]

Faggiano accepted head coaching position at Utica

Good hire.

[SJFF82]

Andy Hendel, former SJF D-Coordinator and former Miami Dolphin linebacker and special teamer is rumored to be replacement...

[superman57]

Where have you heard that Faggiano is leaving

[SJFF82]

Where have you heard that Faggiano is leaving

team source...as they say

[fisheralum91]

what the.............
Jellerson didnt get an extra year?
wow.

[kubiack78]

Happy holidays boys--enjoy the stagg bowl!

MUC in a blowout me thinks.

They are really in a class by themselves.

Dont see whitewater giving them a run.

Would like to see a good game- but dont think it will happen.

hey... they haven't seen a team like WW all year,  they are going to punch MUC in the mouth (Sarcasim).

I don't think it will be a blow out because of the weather but I'm not too confident about a win aginst MUC.

[Tags]

Faggiano accepted head coaching position at Utica

Good - maybe now Fisher can have a different gameplan vs. MUC.

Seeing Kmic not rush for 457.28 yards per game would be a nice change of pace.

[joelmama]

You guys are my family so I'm going to rant about the steroids thing.

1) I regret that steroids have become a problem. That said, with the public's attention on it, and with the new disciplinary steps (weird though they may be) I think the problem is getting better.

2) This report seems totally arbitrary and baseless. The guy went around trying to get people to name names and, according to some reports, bullying them to do so.

3) Taking away peoples' records is sooooo stupid. We don't know how much steroids help, and without knowing everyone that did them (which we never will), taking away records or using an asterisk is purely picking on people because they happen to be more talented. So, if you use steroids and you suck, that's okay? How come no one wants to erase Matt Lawton's HRs from the record book?

4) Yes, they "cheated". So, why is this kind of cheating different than Kenny Rogers' cheating? How come Barry Bonds is being threatened with an asterisk, and Gaylord Perry can go around on book tours talking about the spitter and he's in the hall of fame. Whitey scuffed the ball. Ty Cobb slid spikes up. These are all ways of cheating.

I mean, book tours! The guy BRAGS about it! Players cheat every damn day. It's a (regrettable) part of the game. They will always find new ways to do it. Not to mention that whether using steroids at the time was "cheating" at all is very ambiguous.

5) Yes, it's illegal. So is cocaine. And driving drunk. Next.

6) Yes, it's a bad example for children. This argument is actually, to me, the only one that has any credence. The only discipline I would like to see handed out to these players is forcing them to go to schools to give lectures on not taking steroids or something like that.

7) I guess to summarize, I DON'T CARE about steroids and want to just MOVE ON. I don't want to know who did steroids, it doesn't matter to me. You can tell who the truly gifted athletes are, steroids or not. I will always be in awe of Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. History is intelligent. We can look back at this time and think our own opinions of how much steroids helped certain players. But to take these people out of the Hall/asterisk is not the answer. The 90s players had advantages of steroids over history. Babe Ruth played in the no black people era. Bob Gibson pitched off a mound 10 feet high. Every era has its advantages and disadvantages, and people are smart enough to figure them out, we don't need Bud Selig telling us who is a good person and who is a good ballplayer and who is not. This is a black eye on the game and dragging it out, in ANY way, will only make it worse.

I don't care, I don't care, bring on 2008.

How would you feel if it were revealed that the team that knocked you out of the playoffs in D3 this year had twelve starters using steriods?  This issue is not confined to major league sports.  Cheating is cheating.  The other examples you cited in baseball are different by degrees.  Corking a bat steriods etc are things that shouldn't be condoned.   Using somehting that has been specifically outlawed is a pretty clear violation.  Do you know it is estimated that 3-6% of high school athleetes in major sports have taken performance enhancing drugs.  I wonder where they got the idea.

[fisheralum91]

Well- at least Fisher will know what to expect when they play UC now!!

Perhaps they can use the bunch formation a little more!

Ouch.