FB: Empire 8

[Jonny Utah]

I think everything that Bomber is saying is true, but his analysis of it is wrong in a sense. These games should be looked at.  And although it is a loss, it should be considered more  than a 7-6 win over Fitchburg St. if they played them out of league right?  Especially if MUC beats every team it plays this year by more than what they beat SJF at.  I mean, thats why 8-2 upstate teams get at large bids over 9-1 NEFC teams.

The point is that non-region games are not primary criteria for at large bids, so the loss at Mt. Union does not effect them as much as a win against Rochester, Syracuse or Cornell would.

But theres another point.  Lets say Ithaca played Cornell non-league and they beat them 30-3.  Now that win is by criteria not supposed to mean anything, but like bomber said (or what I think he means), is that if its an actuall game on the won/loss record, then why shouldnt it count or matter?

[fisheralum91]

I think that many of you said it correctly---If Fisher loses to Salisbury on Saterday---ECAC's it is.
There was little room for error in the schedule and with the loss to wick---and yes they should have wont that game--fisher needs to win out just to get a chance to get in.
Anything else spells ecac and is disappointing.

[pg04]

I think that many of you said it correctly---If Fisher loses to Salisbury on Saterday---ECAC's it is.
There was little room for error in the schedule and with the loss to wick---and yes they should have wont that game--fisher needs to win out just to get a chance to get in.
Anything else spells ecac and is disappointing.

Actually, a loss to Salisbury really has no bearing on Fisher's playoff chances unless Hartwick somehow wins out...

[AUKaz00]

I think that many of you said it correctly---If Fisher loses to Salisbury on Saterday---ECAC's it is.
There was little room for error in the schedule and with the loss to wick---and yes they should have wont that game--fisher needs to win out just to get a chance to get in.
Anything else spells ecac and is disappointing.

Actually, a loss to Salisbury really has no bearing on Fisher's playoff chances unless Hartwick somehow wins out...

The "somehow" doesn't actually seem that unlikely.  Wick has 4 conference games left: a retooling Alfred at home, Norwich at home, at 1-3 Springfield and then holding on in 4 OTs against Utica.  Getting past Alfred this saterday is the last hurdle in my mind for Wick to at least share the E8 crown again this year.  And they seem capable of also knocking off Mt. Ida and Becker so Wick could finish 8-1, albeit with a weak SoS and thin resume, but that could be enough to slide into the NCAAs.

*Any Fisher fans that wish to join the band should contact Pep before Friday...

[fisheralum91]

i didnt realize that wicks shed was that weak--minus the au game everything else on that sched is a breeze.
wow

[theoriginalupstate]

Yeah, face it.  Wick is going to the NCAA's for the 2nd straight year....

SJF will be lucky to sneak in the back door if they win out....

[fisheralum91]

upstate---if fisher wins out that means that they beat salisbury and finish with one league loss
how do they not get in ?

[Bombers798891]

I think everything that Bomber is saying is true, but his analysis of it is wrong in a sense. These games should be looked at.  And although it is a loss, it should be considered more  than a 7-6 win over Fitchburg St. if they played them out of league right?  Especially if MUC beats every team it plays this year by more than what they beat SJF at.  I mean, thats why 8-2 upstate teams get at large bids over 9-1 NEFC teams.

The point is that non-region games are not primary criteria for at large bids, so the loss at Mt. Union does not effect them as much as a win against Rochester, Syracuse or Cornell would.

But theres another point.  Lets say Ithaca played Cornell non-league and they beat them 30-3.  Now that win is by criteria not supposed to mean anything, but like bomber said (or what I think he means), is that if its an actuall game on the won/loss record, then why shouldnt it count or matter?

Exactly. I guess, in my mind, there's nothing wrong with saying a 10-point loss to MUC on the road is not the same thing as a 25 point loss to Buffalo State at home (Hypothetical situation) Obviously, no two losses are created equal. But the losses did still happen. The issue I have is not with people saying "Well, you can't look at a loss to MUC the same way you look at a loss to Buff State." It's with people entering this fictionalized universe where SJF has only played 4 games and is 3-1. Because, in that world you're better off scheduling MUC than say, Buff State, because an MUC loss can't hurt you, where a Buff. State loss can.

[theoriginalupstate]

upstate---if fisher wins out that means that they beat salisbury and finish with one league loss
how do they not get in ?

As of right now, I just dont like the chances of a pool C bid this year.  Its pretty obvious that Wicks going to get the AQ again. 

[fisheralum91]

yeesh-- dont even say that
pool c......
hmm guess i just assumed that AU would come thru for us

[Bombers798891]

upstate---if fisher wins out that means that they beat salisbury and finish with one league loss
how do they not get in ?

As of right now, I just dont like the chances of a pool C bid this year.  Its pretty obvious that Wicks going to get the AQ again. 

Can you run the scenario in which HC gets an auto-bid by me? I'm assuming you have Hartwick running the table and Alfred beating IC, because that's the only way they can get the thing without getting into SOS arguments--which Hartwick is going to find some issues with. But is it really that "obvious"? They haven't beaten Alfred in like, 5 seasons and most of those games haven't been close.

I would agree that it's a possibility, but it's far from obvious. If Ithaca gets healthy, they can certainly take out the Saxons, and Hartwick's defense isn't good enough to make any game a dead lock. Heck, it took them four overtimes and 72 points to beat Utica.

[maxpower]

This conference is still up for grabs. Hartwick, IC and SJF all win out: 3-way tie. Alfred controls everyone's fate: their games against 'wick, IC and Fisher will likely ALL have playoff implications.

One thing that's unlikely (but not impossible) is Fisher capturing their first solo E8 crown this year...

[maxpower]

This is also fun to look at. The Empire 8 Standings along with in-conference points allowed:

Alfred 14
Utica 12
Hartwick 97
Ithaca 79
Fisher 37
Norwich 42
Springfield 33

(UC and 'wich only have 1 game)

[redswarm81]

I think that many of you said it correctly---If Fisher loses to Salisbury on Saterday---ECAC's it is.
There was little room for error in the schedule and with the loss to wick---and yes they should have wont that game--fisher needs to win out just to get a chance to get in.
Anything else spells ecac and is disappointing.

Actually, a loss to Salisbury really has no bearing on Fisher's playoff chances unless Hartwick somehow wins out...

SJFisher fans can be a bit more optimistic about the Cardinals' chances against Salisbury.  From the "2008 Year-in-Review Board," this just in:

. . . not the kind of Year-in-Review moment you want to see in the headlines:

7 (Including 5 Salisbury U football players) Arrested in Salisbury Nightclub Brawl

I just read the story and then looked at the schools web site.  3 of the 5 started on Defense in the Del Valley game and a 4th had 5 tackles in the game.  That is a serious blow to the defense.

The follow-up question though, is whether a win against Salisbury would then be considered suspect if the secondary considerations are used to evaluate SJF's Pool C candidacy.  This of course is all moot if SJF wins the AQ, but I don't understand how anyone wins that in the E8 this year.  Theoretically, Springfield and Norwich could still win the AQ.

[theoriginalupstate]

Yeah its a mess again...

SJF would make it alot easier on everyone if they would stop losing to teams like Hartwick and Norwich....