FB: Empire 8

[theoriginalupstate]

Let's hope it is someone that can do something in the playoffs unlike last year !

SJF did win two games last year and IC gave MUC their most competitive game until the championship game.  Hartwick on the other hand, well we all know what happened there....

i'm assuming you mean beating Fisher and Ithaca in the regular season... if its not that i just cant figure it out...

Wow the curry loss just happen to slip your memory?

[Jonny Utah]

If SJF doesn't get the E8 bid, they need other pool C teams to have 2 losses and I think they can make it. 

Really?... has a three loss team ever taken a pool C Bid? 

Dont know, but they should get some credit for playing the top team in the country.  And that game vs. MUC (and Salsbury) aren't considered (or reviewed for primary criteria on pool C selection.

I mean, who do you take if it comes down to WPI at 8-2 (with losses to RPI and Hobart) or SJF (with losses to Wick, MUC and Salsbury)?  I mean, you wouldn't be that wrong taking SJF but I could see an argument for either side right?

Or what if Hobart is 7-2?  You could even have Hobart winning that league and have a 8-1 RPI team.  

[theoriginalupstate]

If SJF doesn't get the E8 bid, they need other pool C teams to have 2 losses and I think they can make it. 

Really?... has a three loss team ever taken a pool C Bid? 

Dont know, but they should get some credit for playing the top team in the country.  And that game vs. MUC (and Salsbury) aren't considered (or reviewed for primary criteria on pool C selection.

I mean, who do you take if it comes down to WPI at 8-2 (with losses to RPI and Hobart) or SJF (with losses to Wick, MUC and Salsbury)?  I mean, you wouldn't be that wrong taking SJF but I could see an argument for either side right?

Or what if Hobart is 7-2?  You could even have Hobart winning that league and have a 8-1 RPI team.  

If SJF wins out they'll be 7-1 in region so they could be in line for one if other pool C candidates start dropping in region games....

Right now you gotta figure that the NJAC is going to get a Pool C w/ either Montclair or Rowan getting it.

I see the LL teams knocking each other off as WPI still has to play Bart and Bart still has to play WPI AND RPI.  If RPI wins out and Hobart wins vs WPI it will give their runner up 2 in-region losses.

In the MAC its in SJF's best interest to see DVC win out and take the conference so everyone else in the MAC ends up with 2 in region losses.

So lets say:

-IC wins the E8 on tiebreaker.

-RPI Runs the table.

-Cortland wins the NJAC and Rowan wins out.

-DVC wins out and takes the MAC.

-SJF wins out as well.

I see the NCAA giving the Region to Muhlenburgh!!

1) Muhlenburgh
2) Cortland
3) RPI
4) DVC
5) Ithaca
6) Rowan
7) Curry
8) SJF

Thoughts?

[BoSox0322]

Let's hope it is someone that can do something in the playoffs unlike last year !

SJF did win two games last year and IC gave MUC their most competitive game until the championship game.  Hartwick on the other hand, well we all know what happened there....

i'm assuming you mean beating Fisher and Ithaca in the regular season... if its not that i just cant figure it out...

Wow the curry loss just happen to slip your memory?

i'm a shooter.... shooters cant have a memory ...

They dont get any credit for playing MUC?  I guess they would look at it as there is an entire league that has to play them every year... what do they talk about on that discussion board?  who's gonna come in second?

for the record I'm all for as many E8 teams as possible no matter what ... time for beers... later

[Bombers798891]

If SJF doesn't get the E8 bid, they need other pool C teams to have 2 losses and I think they can make it. 

Really?... has a three loss team ever taken a pool C Bid? 

Dont know, but they should get some credit for playing the top team in the country.  And that game vs. MUC (and Salsbury) aren't considered (or reviewed for primary criteria on pool C selection.

I mean, who do you take if it comes down to WPI at 8-2 (with losses to RPI and Hobart) or SJF (with losses to Wick, MUC and Salsbury)?  I mean, you wouldn't be that wrong taking SJF but I could see an argument for either side right?

Or what if Hobart is 7-2?  You could even have Hobart winning that league and have a 8-1 RPI team.  

If SJF wins out they'll be 7-1 in region so they could be in line for one if other pool C candidates start dropping in region games....

Right now you gotta figure that the NJAC is going to get a Pool C w/ either Montclair or Rowan getting it.

I see the LL teams knocking each other off as WPI still has to play Bart and Bart still has to play WPI AND RPI.  If RPI wins out and Hobart wins vs WPI it will give their runner up 2 in-region losses.

In the MAC its in SJF's best interest to see DVC win out and take the conference so everyone else in the MAC ends up with 2 in region losses.

So lets say:

-IC wins the E8 on tiebreaker.

-RPI Runs the table.

-Cortland wins the NJAC and Rowan wins out.

-DVC wins out and takes the MAC.

-SJF wins out as well.

I see the NCAA giving the Region to Muhlenburgh!!

1) Muhlenburgh
2) Cortland
3) RPI
4) DVC
5) Ithaca
6) Rowan
7) Curry
8) SJF

Thoughts?

Well, just one. Who do you have winning Cortaca? I'm assuming your placement of Cortland has them winning it, but if IC were to go 9-1 with that win, they'd be higher than 5 I would imagine? Probably slide RPI to 2, drop Cortland to three, Ithaca 4? Or does Ithaca go up to 3 and cortland to 4?

Actually, I doubt IC will win at Alfred or Cortland, but just because I'm cynical

[rams1102]

If SJF doesn't get the E8 bid, they need other pool C teams to have 2 losses and I think they can make it. 

Really?... has a three loss team ever taken a pool C Bid? 

Dont know, but they should get some credit for playing the top team in the country.  And that game vs. MUC (and Salsbury) aren't considered (or reviewed for primary criteria on pool C selection.

I mean, who do you take if it comes down to WPI at 8-2 (with losses to RPI and Hobart) or SJF (with losses to Wick, MUC and Salsbury)?  I mean, you wouldn't be that wrong taking SJF but I could see an argument for either side right?

Or what if Hobart is 7-2?  You could even have Hobart winning that league and have a 8-1 RPI team.  

If SJF wins out they'll be 7-1 in region so they could be in line for one if other pool C candidates start dropping in region games....

Right now you gotta figure that the NJAC is going to get a Pool C w/ either Montclair or Rowan getting it.

I see the LL teams knocking each other off as WPI still has to play Bart and Bart still has to play WPI AND RPI.  If RPI wins out and Hobart wins vs WPI it will give their runner up 2 in-region losses.

In the MAC its in SJF's best interest to see DVC win out and take the conference so everyone else in the MAC ends up with 2 in region losses.

So lets say:

-IC wins the E8 on tiebreaker.

-RPI Runs the table.

-Cortland wins the NJAC and Rowan wins out.

-DVC wins out and takes the MAC.

-SJF wins out as well.

I see the NCAA giving the Region to Muhlenburgh!!

1) Muhlenburgh
2) Cortland
3) RPI
4) DVC
5) Ithaca
6) Montclair
7) Curry
8) SJF

Thoughts?

Upstate,

Well presented, just note the change in #6

[dlippiel]

Let's hope it is someone that can do something in the playoffs unlike last year !

SJF did win two games last year and IC gave MUC their most competitive game until the championship game.  Hartwick on the other hand, well we all know what happened there....

i'm assuming you mean beating Fisher and Ithaca in the regular season... if its not that i just cant figure it out...

Wow the curry loss just happen to slip your memory?

CURRY...WNEC...NEFC...I just can't help but chime in.

[Yanks 99]

Let's hope it is someone that can do something in the playoffs unlike last year !

SJF did win two games last year and IC gave MUC their most competitive game until the championship game.  Hartwick on the other hand, well we all know what happened there....

i'm assuming you mean beating Fisher and Ithaca in the regular season... if its not that i just cant figure it out...

Wow the curry loss just happen to slip your memory?

CURRY...WNEC...NEFC...I just can't help but chime in.

I have a question for you dlippeil...

Isn't Hobart like 2-5 since 2001 in the NCAA's?

So you have one more win then Curry...congrats...

Does that make you the Curry of the LL?

We are talking about this year...focus on the past as much as you want...but we are talking about this year.   Before you hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back...take a look at your own record.  I would love to be in the NCAA's year in and year out...but you have basicly faired no better then Curry.  So before you knock them, understand that you are them.

[Yanks 99]

Upstate...

I hate to burst your bubble...but there is no way a 7-3 Fisher team gets a Pool C bid over a 8-1 'Wick team...not with 'Wick having the head to head win...

[Bombers798891]

Upstate...

I hate to burst your bubble...but there is no way a 7-3 Fisher team gets a Pool C bid over a 8-1 'Wick team...not with 'Wick having the head to head win...

Yanks--

I'd like to agree with you, but these NCAA people are tricky dogs. IC once went 8-2 in 1998 and lost out on a Pool B bid to an 8-2 TCNJ team that IC beat. And won't SJF's region record be 7-1? You just never know. Also, you mentioned that "We're talking about this year and not the past" but keep in mind that the NCAA selection comittee, even with their guidelines, are human. Fair or not, SJF does have a recent winning history in the NCAA's, whereas the 'Wick doesn't. That could play into it as well. Personally, I'd rather not see a three loss at-large team, but who knows.

[theoriginalupstate]

Upstate...

I hate to burst your bubble...but there is no way a 7-3 Fisher team gets a Pool C bid over a 8-1 'Wick team...not with 'Wick having the head to head win...

Like Bombers said, SJF will be 7-1 in region.  If it plays out right its a possibility...

[Yanks 99]

Upstate...

I hate to burst your bubble...but there is no way a 7-3 Fisher team gets a Pool C bid over a 8-1 'Wick team...not with 'Wick having the head to head win...

Like Bombers said, SJF will be 7-1 in region.  If it plays out right its a possibility...

They would both have 1 loss in the region...if they take the team that didn't win head to head, then they might as well determine seeds before a single game is played...

[Yanks 99]

Look...I am not knocking Fisher...Fisher is an incredilby strong program.  But if they finish with essentially the same record...and 'Wick had the head to head win...and they gave Fisher then bid, it would be criminal...

I would feel the same way if Fisher beat 'Wick, and the roles were reversed and 'Wick got the bid.

[Knightstalker]

Upstate...

I hate to burst your bubble...but there is no way a 7-3 Fisher team gets a Pool C bid over a 8-1 'Wick team...not with 'Wick having the head to head win...

Yanks--

I'd like to agree with you, but these NCAA people are tricky dogs. IC once went 8-2 in 1998 and lost out on a Pool B bid to an 8-2 TCNJ team that IC beat. And won't SJF's region record be 7-1? You just never know. Also, you mentioned that "We're talking about this year and not the past" but keep in mind that the NCAA selection comittee, even with their guidelines, are human. Fair or not, SJF does have a recent winning history in the NCAA's, whereas the 'Wick doesn't. That could play into it as well. Personally, I'd rather not see a three loss at-large team, but who knows.

IC has never lost a Pool B bid to TCNJ, TCNJ has always been in a Pool A conference so they would get either the Pool A bid or a Pool C bid.

[theoriginalupstate]

Look...I am not knocking Fisher...Fisher is an incredilby strong program.  But if they finish with essentially the same record...and 'Wick had the head to head win...and they gave Fisher then bid, it would be criminal...

I would feel the same way if Fisher beat 'Wick, and the roles were reversed and 'Wick got the bid.

If it does happen you'd have to think that the committee took into account their respective schedules.  Knowing that there was a 3 way tie in the conference and the two teams that didnt get the bid were going against each other for the final bid with the same in-region record i'd give it to the one with the harder schedule....