FB: Empire 8

[theoriginalupstate]

Someone yesterday said that theres at least 7, one loss teams that wont be making it in...

So why exactly would IC be in?

If IC losses there's a very SLIM shot at them getting a pool C...

RPI is also a slim shot because of their schedule...

East will have at least 1 team imported regardless of the IC/C-state outcome...

[Jonny Utah]

Try this one for size:

(All these games assume that each team involves wins their last game of the season, except if two of the teams play each other)

Might be a way to keep a North or South team out:

1. Cortland (10-0) A NJAC
2. Hobart (8-1) A LL
3. Montclair State (9-1) C NJAC
4. St. John Fisher (7-3) A E8
5. Albright (8-2) A MAC
6. Plymouth St. (10-1) A NEFC
7. Ithaca (8-2) C E8
8. RPI (8-1) C LL

So the first round matchups would be:
Cortland vs. RPI in a rematch of the 2006 ECAC game, Hobart vs. Ithaca, Montclair State vs. Plymouth State and St. John Fisher vs. Albright.

All the mileage works out too, being less than 500 miles.
According to mapquest: RPI to Cortland is 177, Ithaca to Hobart is 45, Plymouth to Montclair is 334 and Albright to Fisher is 309.
If they had to switch to keep the NCAA travel budgets happy, Albright to Montclair is 119 miles.

Discuss. I'll probably use this in my column too.

Why couldn't Muhlenberg be a 1 or 2 seed in the South?

dewcrew I dont know enough about the national pool C group, but I think this would be great for the east.

[dewcrew88]

Someone yesterday said that theres at least 7, one loss teams that wont be making it in...

So why exactly would IC be in?

If IC losses there's a very SLIM shot at them getting a pool C...

RPI is also a slim shot because of their schedule...

East will have at least 1 team imported regardless of the IC/C-state outcome...

Frank Rossi said that... He didn't get a chance to say which ones.

[pumkinattack]

I hate to say it, but that appears to be a pretty weak bracket.  Then again, this isn't really the strongest year for the East in general.  I'm still not sure about Cortland since the NJAC is nearly a closed loop - like the MAC used to.  Del Valley was pretty good the year they went undefeated, but not great, and Wilkes got beat in the second round by a Rowan team that was lucky to win their first round home game that year.  

Everyone is hoping that Mt Union isn't in the bracket, but what is the difference between losing to them in the regional finals and the national semifinals?  

Obviously everyone would welcome Muhlenburg as an import, but Case, W&J or Wesley would all be interesting.

[dewcrew88]

I hate to say it, but that appears to be a pretty weak bracket.  Then again, this isn't really the strongest year for the East in general.  I'm still not sure about Cortland since the NJAC is nearly a closed loop - like the MAC used to.  Del Valley was pretty good the year they went undefeated, but not great, and Wilkes got beat in the second round by a Rowan team that was lucky to win their first round home game that year.  

Everyone is hoping that Mt Union isn't in the bracket, but what is the difference between losing to them in the regional finals and the national semifinals?  

Obviously everyone would welcome Muhlenburg as an import, but Case, W&J or Wesley would all be interesting.

There's a big difference with the MUC thing... namely, at least if there are 8 East teams, the East at the very least gets a friggin representative on the national level, you saw what happened last year with MUC in the East... some decent games, but ick. Then all you get is 2 North teams, a West team and a South team. What's the f-ing point? Why even bother at that point. This is the one thing that really pisses me off about this whole thing... I really think there should be 1 representative from each region in the Final 4... if not, why not just have the ****ing BCS computers figure it out and put 4 north teams, 3 south teams and a west team and be done with it.. 

[/Rant over] (at least for now)

[Jonny Utah]

I hate to say it, but that appears to be a pretty weak bracket.  Then again, this isn't really the strongest year for the East in general.  I'm still not sure about Cortland since the NJAC is nearly a closed loop - like the MAC used to.  Del Valley was pretty good the year they went undefeated, but not great, and Wilkes got beat in the second round by a Rowan team that was lucky to win their first round home game that year.  

Everyone is hoping that Mt Union isn't in the bracket, but what is the difference between losing to them in the regional finals and the national semifinals?  

Obviously everyone would welcome Muhlenburg as an import, but Case, W&J or Wesley would all be interesting.

There's a big difference with the MUC thing... namely, at least if there are 8 East teams, the East at the very least gets a friggin representative on the national level, you saw what happened last year with MUC in the East... some decent games, but ick. Then all you get is 2 North teams, a West team and a South team. What's the f-ing point? Why even bother at that point. This is the one thing that really pisses me off about this whole thing... I really think there should be 1 representative from each region in the Final 4... if not, why not just have the ****ing BCS computers figure it out and put 4 north teams, 3 south teams and a west team and be done with it.. 

[/Rant over] (at least for now)

I kind of see where pumkinattack is comming from.  Although the only exception between this year and previous years is that there is no "powerhouse" like SJF was supposed to be last year. So Im not sure how much someone can call the east weak. But by having MUC play the east teams in the first 3 games, it pretty much gives the east a chance to have 3 national games right?  And look what the 8th east team did to MUC last year?  Gave them their 2nd best game all year.

So I guess you just never know.

[SJFF82]

I think the East Region bracket will end up looking something like this:

1.  Muhlenberg (10-0)
2.  Ithaca (9-1)
3.  Plymouth State (10-1)
4.  Cortland State (9-1)
5.  SJF (7-3)
6.  Montclair State (9-1)
7. Albright (8-2)
8. RPI (8-1)

Hoping that Fisher takes care of Alfred next week.  Also hoping Muhlenberg is imported and NOT MUC. 

Where is Hobart?

They've got the inside track on the LL, a win vs UR gets them the AQ...

FA: I think you're off a bit. Ithaca won't jump to a 2. No way, I don't care if they beat Cortland by 40.
Hobart's missing too.
Plymouth is also way too high at three, they'd be a 6/7 at the highest.

Seriously?  They were ranked 3rd in the east region last week before RPI  lost.  If they beat Cortland by 40 there would be a 99% chance that they would be the #1 or #2 seed in the east.

I mean, those are the NCAA rankings right?  Ithaca has to be #2 this week, so there can't be any chance they would move down if they beat the #1 team in the rankings next week, so I just don't see how it would be possible for the NCAA not to rank them #2 in the east if they are already going to be #2 (or #1) in the final east rankings anyway.

I guess I didn't realize they were third in the regional rankings. I guess I don't understand why. They must not put a lot of stock in that 37-6 stomping by SJF.

You think it's possible that the NCAA says to themselves "Hey, maybe we won't define Ithaca's entire season by one game?"

One more to go...then the "definition" can be written

Hasnt the NCAA already decided that Ithaca is the 3rd best team in the east (and now probably 2nd) by ranking them there with one loss? 

it is the final rankings after all the games are played that matters. That is what I meant.

[labart96]

I would prefer to see an East Region champion crowned and in the FF that's actually from the East (not Ohio or anywhere outside NE, NY, PA, DE, etc) regardless of how the national semi turned out (ideally a good game, but if the East Champ gets blown out, so be it).

[SJFF82]

I hate to say it, but that appears to be a pretty weak bracket.  Then again, this isn't really the strongest year for the East in general.  I'm still not sure about Cortland since the NJAC is nearly a closed loop - like the MAC used to.  Del Valley was pretty good the year they went undefeated, but not great, and Wilkes got beat in the second round by a Rowan team that was lucky to win their first round home game that year.  

Everyone is hoping that Mt Union isn't in the bracket, but what is the difference between losing to them in the regional finals and the national semifinals?  

Obviously everyone would welcome Muhlenburg as an import, but Case, W&J or Wesley would all be interesting.

There's a big difference with the MUC thing... namely, at least if there are 8 East teams, the East at the very least gets a friggin representative on the national level, you saw what happened last year with MUC in the East... some decent games, but ick. Then all you get is 2 North teams, a West team and a South team. What's the f-ing point? Why even bother at that point. This is the one thing that really pisses me off about this whole thing... I really think there should be 1 representative from each region in the Final 4... if not, why not just have the ****ing BCS computers figure it out and put 4 north teams, 3 south teams and a west team and be done with it.. 

[/Rant over] (at least for now)

thanks...I would get blasted for that....but good stuff

[Pat Coleman]

I don't know if the East will get three Pool C bids.

[SJFF82]

I hate to say it, but that appears to be a pretty weak bracket.  Then again, this isn't really the strongest year for the East in general.  I'm still not sure about Cortland since the NJAC is nearly a closed loop - like the MAC used to.  Del Valley was pretty good the year they went undefeated, but not great, and Wilkes got beat in the second round by a Rowan team that was lucky to win their first round home game that year.  

Everyone is hoping that Mt Union isn't in the bracket, but what is the difference between losing to them in the regional finals and the national semifinals?  

Obviously everyone would welcome Muhlenburg as an import, but Case, W&J or Wesley would all be interesting.

There's a big difference with the MUC thing... namely, at least if there are 8 East teams, the East at the very least gets a friggin representative on the national level, you saw what happened last year with MUC in the East... some decent games, but ick. Then all you get is 2 North teams, a West team and a South team. What's the f-ing point? Why even bother at that point. This is the one thing that really pisses me off about this whole thing... I really think there should be 1 representative from each region in the Final 4... if not, why not just have the ****ing BCS computers figure it out and put 4 north teams, 3 south teams and a west team and be done with it.. 

[/Rant over] (at least for now)

I kind of see where pumkinattack is comming from.  Although the only exception between this year and previous years is that there is no "powerhouse" like SJF was supposed to be last year. So Im not sure how much someone can call the east weak. But by having MUC play the east teams in the first 3 games, it pretty much gives the east a chance to have 3 national games right?  And look what the 8th east team did to MUC last year?  Gave them their 2nd best game all year.

So I guess you just never know.

Who from the East wants to see MUC blast every east team out of the water round by round?  If it happens in the Final Four so be it, but its only once then and it is a marquis spotlight game.  The 1st round of NCAA is not so Marquis except for the teams involved. 

So IC gave MUC its second toughest game of the year last year?  Only Fisher fans get to use those sort of distinctions around here

[SJFF82]

I don't know if the East will get three Pool C bids.

no way

[Jonny Utah]

I hate to say it, but that appears to be a pretty weak bracket.  Then again, this isn't really the strongest year for the East in general.  I'm still not sure about Cortland since the NJAC is nearly a closed loop - like the MAC used to.  Del Valley was pretty good the year they went undefeated, but not great, and Wilkes got beat in the second round by a Rowan team that was lucky to win their first round home game that year.  

Everyone is hoping that Mt Union isn't in the bracket, but what is the difference between losing to them in the regional finals and the national semifinals?  

Obviously everyone would welcome Muhlenburg as an import, but Case, W&J or Wesley would all be interesting.

There's a big difference with the MUC thing... namely, at least if there are 8 East teams, the East at the very least gets a friggin representative on the national level, you saw what happened last year with MUC in the East... some decent games, but ick. Then all you get is 2 North teams, a West team and a South team. What's the f-ing point? Why even bother at that point. This is the one thing that really pisses me off about this whole thing... I really think there should be 1 representative from each region in the Final 4... if not, why not just have the ****ing BCS computers figure it out and put 4 north teams, 3 south teams and a west team and be done with it.. 

[/Rant over] (at least for now)

I kind of see where pumkinattack is comming from.  Although the only exception between this year and previous years is that there is no "powerhouse" like SJF was supposed to be last year. So Im not sure how much someone can call the east weak. But by having MUC play the east teams in the first 3 games, it pretty much gives the east a chance to have 3 national games right?  And look what the 8th east team did to MUC last year?  Gave them their 2nd best game all year.

So I guess you just never know.

Who from the East wants to see MUC blast every east team out of the water round by round?  If it happens in the Final Four so be it, but its only once then and it is a marquis spotlight game.  The 1st round of NCAA is not so Marquis except for the teams involved. 

So IC gave MUC its second toughest game of the year last year?  Only Fisher fans get to use those sort of distinctions around here

But aren't we here (talking about how the east is weak and having teams shipped in) because teams like Rowan and other east champs ended up getting smoked in those final 4 games?

[SJFF82]

I hate to say it, but that appears to be a pretty weak bracket.  Then again, this isn't really the strongest year for the East in general.  I'm still not sure about Cortland since the NJAC is nearly a closed loop - like the MAC used to.  Del Valley was pretty good the year they went undefeated, but not great, and Wilkes got beat in the second round by a Rowan team that was lucky to win their first round home game that year.  

Everyone is hoping that Mt Union isn't in the bracket, but what is the difference between losing to them in the regional finals and the national semifinals?  

Obviously everyone would welcome Muhlenburg as an import, but Case, W&J or Wesley would all be interesting.

There's a big difference with the MUC thing... namely, at least if there are 8 East teams, the East at the very least gets a friggin representative on the national level, you saw what happened last year with MUC in the East... some decent games, but ick. Then all you get is 2 North teams, a West team and a South team. What's the f-ing point? Why even bother at that point. This is the one thing that really pisses me off about this whole thing... I really think there should be 1 representative from each region in the Final 4... if not, why not just have the ****ing BCS computers figure it out and put 4 north teams, 3 south teams and a west team and be done with it.. 

[/Rant over] (at least for now)

I kind of see where pumkinattack is comming from.  Although the only exception between this year and previous years is that there is no "powerhouse" like SJF was supposed to be last year. So Im not sure how much someone can call the east weak. But by having MUC play the east teams in the first 3 games, it pretty much gives the east a chance to have 3 national games right?  And look what the 8th east team did to MUC last year?  Gave them their 2nd best game all year.

So I guess you just never know.

Who from the East wants to see MUC blast every east team out of the water round by round?  If it happens in the Final Four so be it, but its only once then and it is a marquis spotlight game.  The 1st round of NCAA is not so Marquis except for the teams involved. 

So IC gave MUC its second toughest game of the year last year?  Only Fisher fans get to use those sort of distinctions around here

But aren't we here (talking about how the east is weak and having teams shipped in) because teams like Rowan and other east champs ended up getting smoked in those final 4 games?

Yeh, I agree with the reason why we are having to have this discussion....just disagree with the opinion that there is no difference in having MUC as our 1 seed versus waiting until final four or Stagg to get the whoopin

BTW...check 2006 Final Four...not such a whoopin.

[SJFF82]

IC/CORT would perform just as well as SJF did in 2006 once they are on that play-off run and get there in the Final Four...Cortland would be 14-0 by then...