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I hate to say it, but that appears to be a pretty weak bracket.  Then again, this isn't really the strongest year for the East in general.  I'm still not sure about Cortland since the NJAC is nearly a closed loop - like the MAC used to.  Del Valley was pretty good the year they went undefeated, but not great, and Wilkes got beat in the second round by a Rowan team that was lucky to win their first round home game that year.  

Everyone is hoping that Mt Union isn't in the bracket, but what is the difference between losing to them in the regional finals and the national semifinals?  

Obviously everyone would welcome Muhlenburg as an import, but Case, W&J or Wesley would all be interesting.

There's a big difference with the MUC thing... namely, at least if there are 8 East teams, the East at the very least gets a friggin representative on the national level, you saw what happened last year with MUC in the East... some decent games, but ick. Then all you get is 2 North teams, a West team and a South team. What's the f-ing point? Why even bother at that point. This is the one thing that really pisses me off about this whole thing... I really think there should be 1 representative from each region in the Final 4... if not, why not just have the ****ing BCS computers figure it out and put 4 north teams, 3 south teams and a west team and be done with it.. 

[/Rant over] (at least for now)

I kind of see where pumkinattack is comming from.  Although the only exception between this year and previous years is that there is no "powerhouse" like SJF was supposed to be last year. So Im not sure how much someone can call the east weak. But by having MUC play the east teams in the first 3 games, it pretty much gives the east a chance to have 3 national games right?  And look what the 8th east team did to MUC last year?  Gave them their 2nd best game all year.

So I guess you just never know.

Who from the East wants to see MUC blast every east team out of the water round by round?  If it happens in the Final Four so be it, but its only once then and it is a marquis spotlight game.  The 1st round of NCAA is not so Marquis except for the teams involved. 

So IC gave MUC its second toughest game of the year last year?  Only Fisher fans get to use those sort of distinctions around here

But aren't we here (talking about how the east is weak and having teams shipped in) because teams like Rowan and other east champs ended up getting smoked in those final 4 games?

Yeh, I agree with the reason why we are having to have this discussion....just disagree with the opinion that there is no difference in having MUC as our 1 seed versus waiting until final four or Stagg to get the whoopin

BTW...check 2006 Final Four...not such a whoopin.

Nationally, though, wouldn't the NCAA want two good games in the semis rather than MUC crushing an east team?  Yes MUC will probably crush any team in the Semis but it seems ever more likely if it is an "eastern" team. 

[Cardinal 4 Life]

On the whole importing MUC into the East thing last year.

That was the ultimate kick in the pants. I remember sitting with the rest of the Fisher team, watching the brackets come out. MUC wasn't in the North. Huh? Ya. We all thought when College of New Jersey lost (i'm pretty sure that was the last east undefeated to lose, except curry), we would have a #1 seed. Not so much.

I understand the committee wants the four best teams in the final four. Isn't that why you have the playoffs? To see who those teams are? We got it handed to us by MUC last year, but I'm pretty sure Bethel didn't fair much better in the semi-final. Who is to say that the other 7 teams in the North deserve a better chance to get to the final four than 8 teams from the East?

As for what is the difference between playing a team in the quarterfinals or semifinals. Huge. At least in a locker room. 2006 we had just won the East region. We beat Rowan pretty bad and confidence was pretty high. 2007 we had just beat Curry. Not trying to offend anyone from Curry, but there is a huge difference. I think the NCAA should allow the four best teams to be determined by the playoffs. Not the regular season, where a team can go 10-0 or 9-1 against a down conference that year.   

[Jonny Utah]

On the whole importing MUC into the East thing last year.

That was the ultimate kick in the pants. I remember sitting with the rest of the Fisher team, watching the brackets come out. MUC wasn't in the North. Huh? Ya. We all thought when College of New Jersey lost (i'm pretty sure that was the last east undefeated to lose, except curry), we would have a #1 seed. Not so much.

I understand the committee wants the four best teams in the final four. Isn't that why you have the playoffs? To see who those teams are? We got it handed to us by MUC last year, but I'm pretty sure Bethel didn't fair much better in the semi-final. Who is to say that the other 7 teams in the North deserve a better chance to get to the final four than 8 teams from the East?

As for what is the difference between playing a team in the quarterfinals or semifinals. Huge. At least in a locker room. 2006 we had just won the East region. We beat Rowan pretty bad and confidence was pretty high. 2007 we had just beat Curry. Not trying to offend anyone from Curry, but there is a huge difference. I think the NCAA should allow the four best teams to be determined by the playoffs. Not the regular season, where a team can go 10-0 or 9-1 against a down conference that year.   

If you do it that way though, wouldnt you have the 4 best teams in the country as the top 4 seeds, and then the next 4 best be the #2 seeds?

Hell, maybe the NCAA will see that the easts 20th ranked team gave Mt. Union its best game this year 

[boobyhasgameyo]

I hate to say it, but that appears to be a pretty weak bracket.  Then again, this isn't really the strongest year for the East in general.  I'm still not sure about Cortland since the NJAC is nearly a closed loop - like the MAC used to.  Del Valley was pretty good the year they went undefeated, but not great, and Wilkes got beat in the second round by a Rowan team that was lucky to win their first round home game that year.  

Everyone is hoping that Mt Union isn't in the bracket, but what is the difference between losing to them in the regional finals and the national semifinals?  

Obviously everyone would welcome Muhlenburg as an import, but Case, W&J or Wesley would all be interesting.

There's a big difference with the MUC thing... namely, at least if there are 8 East teams, the East at the very least gets a friggin representative on the national level, you saw what happened last year with MUC in the East... some decent games, but ick. Then all you get is 2 North teams, a West team and a South team. What's the f-ing point? Why even bother at that point. This is the one thing that really pisses me off about this whole thing... I really think there should be 1 representative from each region in the Final 4... if not, why not just have the ****ing BCS computers figure it out and put 4 north teams, 3 south teams and a west team and be done with it.. 

[/Rant over] (at least for now)

I kind of see where pumkinattack is comming from.  Although the only exception between this year and previous years is that there is no "powerhouse" like SJF was supposed to be last year. So Im not sure how much someone can call the east weak. But by having MUC play the east teams in the first 3 games, it pretty much gives the east a chance to have 3 national games right?  And look what the 8th east team did to MUC last year?  Gave them their 2nd best game all year.

So I guess you just never know.

Who from the East wants to see MUC blast every east team out of the water round by round?  If it happens in the Final Four so be it, but its only once then and it is a marquis spotlight game.  The 1st round of NCAA is not so Marquis except for the teams involved. 

So IC gave MUC its second toughest game of the year last year?  Only Fisher fans get to use those sort of distinctions around here

But aren't we here (talking about how the east is weak and having teams shipped in) because teams like Rowan and other east champs ended up getting smoked in those final 4 games?

Yeh, I agree with the reason why we are having to have this discussion....just disagree with the opinion that there is no difference in having MUC as our 1 seed versus waiting until final four or Stagg to get the whoopin

BTW...check 2006 Final Four...not such a whoopin.

Nationally, though, wouldn't the NCAA want two good games in the semis rather than MUC crushing an east team?  Yes MUC will probably crush any team in the Semis but it seems ever more likely if it is an "eastern" team. 

Well actually I think the Eastern region does a better job of most when it comes to playing Mount Union in the semi's than other regions.  Rowan beat them once, played them close another.  Fisher played them close in 2006.  Meanwhile teams like Bridgewater and even Bethel last year were absolutely destroyed in the semi's.  

[dewcrew88]

I hate to say it, but that appears to be a pretty weak bracket.  Then again, this isn't really the strongest year for the East in general.  I'm still not sure about Cortland since the NJAC is nearly a closed loop - like the MAC used to.  Del Valley was pretty good the year they went undefeated, but not great, and Wilkes got beat in the second round by a Rowan team that was lucky to win their first round home game that year. 

Everyone is hoping that Mt Union isn't in the bracket, but what is the difference between losing to them in the regional finals and the national semifinals? 

Obviously everyone would welcome Muhlenburg as an import, but Case, W&J or Wesley would all be interesting.

There's a big difference with the MUC thing... namely, at least if there are 8 East teams, the East at the very least gets a friggin representative on the national level, you saw what happened last year with MUC in the East... some decent games, but ick. Then all you get is 2 North teams, a West team and a South team. What's the f-ing point? Why even bother at that point. This is the one thing that really pisses me off about this whole thing... I really think there should be 1 representative from each region in the Final 4... if not, why not just have the ****ing BCS computers figure it out and put 4 north teams, 3 south teams and a west team and be done with it.. 

[/Rant over] (at least for now)

I kind of see where pumkinattack is comming from.  Although the only exception between this year and previous years is that there is no "powerhouse" like SJF was supposed to be last year. So Im not sure how much someone can call the east weak. But by having MUC play the east teams in the first 3 games, it pretty much gives the east a chance to have 3 national games right?  And look what the 8th east team did to MUC last year?  Gave them their 2nd best game all year.

So I guess you just never know.

Who from the East wants to see MUC blast every east team out of the water round by round?  If it happens in the Final Four so be it, but its only once then and it is a marquis spotlight game.  The 1st round of NCAA is not so Marquis except for the teams involved. 

So IC gave MUC its second toughest game of the year last year?  Only Fisher fans get to use those sort of distinctions around here

82: Who's Marquis? Jason?

Just jokin with ya... I know what you meant.

[dewcrew88]

I don't know if the East will get three Pool C bids.

OK. That might be, but then if a team gets moved over, would it have to be MUC? Who would they move over that might be a lower seed? Similar to the JCU situation a few years ago.

[wickfan]

Oh great...we suck again!

Its a shame, you have an amazing athlete at QB and if you had any of the other Defenses in the E8 you'd be undefeated...

Outside of the Ithaca game, and giving up all those rushing yards today, they played solid defense all year. They have a bend but don't break defense, and outside of those 2 games, they did a good job all season.

Their defense is not good, but they have played well at times. I think they improved from the beginning of the year. They will struggle against great running teams like Ithaca until they can put defensive lineman on the field that are bigger then their linebackers.

On the point about if you had any other defense in the E8, they did give up only 19 points to Alfred on a day their offense struggled. That is the same Alfred offense that scored 35 and should have had more against Ithaca.

After watching Hartwick this year for the first time, it is obvious the defensive line is the huge problem. Ok defensive backs, LBs have played well but have had a ton of injuries. At one point, they had zero out of the four starting LBs available. I am not sure why that can't recruit defensive lineman, but until they do, big offensive lines with good running games will just wear them down.

We will see if Coach Carr can recruit some lineman...since they needs some size on the oline also....

[SJFF82]

I hate to say it, but that appears to be a pretty weak bracket.  Then again, this isn't really the strongest year for the East in general.  I'm still not sure about Cortland since the NJAC is nearly a closed loop - like the MAC used to.  Del Valley was pretty good the year they went undefeated, but not great, and Wilkes got beat in the second round by a Rowan team that was lucky to win their first round home game that year.  

Everyone is hoping that Mt Union isn't in the bracket, but what is the difference between losing to them in the regional finals and the national semifinals?  

Obviously everyone would welcome Muhlenburg as an import, but Case, W&J or Wesley would all be interesting.

There's a big difference with the MUC thing... namely, at least if there are 8 East teams, the East at the very least gets a friggin representative on the national level, you saw what happened last year with MUC in the East... some decent games, but ick. Then all you get is 2 North teams, a West team and a South team. What's the f-ing point? Why even bother at that point. This is the one thing that really pisses me off about this whole thing... I really think there should be 1 representative from each region in the Final 4... if not, why not just have the ****ing BCS computers figure it out and put 4 north teams, 3 south teams and a west team and be done with it.. 

[/Rant over] (at least for now)

I kind of see where pumkinattack is comming from.  Although the only exception between this year and previous years is that there is no "powerhouse" like SJF was supposed to be last year. So Im not sure how much someone can call the east weak. But by having MUC play the east teams in the first 3 games, it pretty much gives the east a chance to have 3 national games right?  And look what the 8th east team did to MUC last year?  Gave them their 2nd best game all year.

So I guess you just never know.

Who from the East wants to see MUC blast every east team out of the water round by round?  If it happens in the Final Four so be it, but its only once then and it is a marquis spotlight game.  The 1st round of NCAA is not so Marquis except for the teams involved. 

So IC gave MUC its second toughest game of the year last year?  Only Fisher fans get to use those sort of distinctions around here

But aren't we here (talking about how the east is weak and having teams shipped in) because teams like Rowan and other east champs ended up getting smoked in those final 4 games?

Yeh, I agree with the reason why we are having to have this discussion....just disagree with the opinion that there is no difference in having MUC as our 1 seed versus waiting until final four or Stagg to get the whoopin

BTW...check 2006 Final Four...not such a whoopin.

Nationally, though, wouldn't the NCAA want two good games in the semis rather than MUC crushing an east team?  Yes MUC will probably crush any team in the Semis but it seems ever more likely if it is an "eastern" team. 

I cant imagine that the NCAA looks that far into it.  In D1 basketball, the NCAA actually makes it known that they do not try to predict the Final Four matchups for the sake of trying to pit the 2 'best' teams against eachother in the Final.

Way too much speculation and it usually gets derailed somewhere along the way anyway....like Booby said with Bethel and Bridgewater. 

I can understand giving the 4 best the top seeds if it is hands down the 4 best.  But this is D3 college football.   After MUC, whoever knows?  Just look at D1 right now.  There is a reason the BCS changes every week isnt there!  That is because the computer apparently gets the rankings wrong every week  (i dont mean the math aspect of it but the actual pecking order of who the better teams are).  Who can say for sure that North Central is better enough than Cortland to deserve to be imported say Cortland suffers a 1 pt loss on the road in a huge rivalry game against a team playing for its play-off life?    Each region should get their own #1 unless a Region's prospective #1 is so obviously undeserving of it relative to an out of region team.

[SJFF82]

AU is closing the gap on the poll....must be alot of Saxons lurkin but not postin...

[Jonny Utah]

Any IC fans know the status of Juvan's finger and why the sophmore RB had so many carries and yards against Alfred?

[Pat Coleman]

Hell, maybe the NCAA will see that the easts 20th ranked team gave Mt. Union its best game this year 

Otterbein isn't in the East.

[gobombers15]

Any IC fans know the status of Juvan's finger and why the sophmore RB had so many carries and yards against Alfred?

Bergerstock was also hurt in the game, I think. Ruggiero is a good player, though.

[Jonny Utah]

Any IC fans know the status of Juvan's finger and why the sophmore RB had so many carries and yards against Alfred?

Bergerstock was also hurt in the game, I think. Ruggiero is a good player, though.

So it seems.  Any word on these injuries for this week?  I didnt really hear anything about the IC/Alfred game but saw the back up QB had about half the snaps.  What was the story there?

[Jonny Utah]

Hell, maybe the NCAA will see that the easts 20th ranked team gave Mt. Union its best game this year 

Otterbein isn't in the East.

Well that game might actually tell us something about pool C teams.  Who actually did give MUC a better game.  I would like to know what MUC fans think about that one...

[AUPepBand]

Any IC fans know the status of Juvan's finger and why the sophmore RB had so many carries and yards against Alfred?

Bergerstock was also hurt in the game, I think. Ruggiero is a good player, though.

Ruggiero was very effective, no doubt. Tough runner. The IC o-line was very good, although longer runs,  Pep believes, caught AU in a blitz. There were no injury timeouts for either Juvan or Bergerstock, so Pep did not notice their injuries.

Pep was disappointed there was neither FDC nor IC Pep Band at Merrill Field Saterday. Certainly was an entertaining game.

Pep's conversation following the game with ICTV crew went something like this....

Pep: "So what would you pay us if we beat Fisher next week?"
ICTV Crew: "What would you like?"
Pep: "I could use a new vehicle, the bandwagon has over 305,000 miles on it."
ICTV Crew: "I think we could make some kind of arrangement."

On Saxon Warriors!