FB: Empire 8

[Jonny Utah]

Man there is some discrimihating going on in the poll, apparently Fisher is an underdog despite the Saxons having accomplished less throughout the season.  They have no signature wins, but they do have a signature loss to a 3-6 Ursinus.   And before people go crazy and talk about Fisher winning close games against Springfield and Utica, look at the comparible scores...Neither were impressive.  I guess they could use the argument they beat U of R by a much wider margin than Fisher, but I think the margin between the Ithaca scores slightly tips in Fisher's favor.  I guess I just don't see why more people are drinking their kool-aid?  Maybe it's the Freshman QB who has steadily improved.  What do you guys who voted for Alfred think?  I'm not trying to be negative so don't paste me with -K, I just want to see what it is.  I feel like the general consensus from people will point out Fisher's struggles of late as their reason, but when looking at how Alfred compared to the same teams I'm just not seeing an advantage in their favor.   

I voted for SJF because I want to see the Youtube highlight of Coach Murry in the lockeroom before the game with the d3football.com/east region/empire 8 post patterns poll that had SJF predicted to win!

[superman57]

Honestly, boobs the only people in the east region that want Fisher to win this game.... is Fisher fans... If Fisher loses RPI, Montclair and maybe even Hussin will get pool c's...

[pumkinattack]

I voted for AU for three reasons (two of which don't have to do with rationale):
1.  An AU win makes the East much more interesting over this year and the next few.  Additionally, it offers RPI a better chance at getting in.   
2.  AU seems to be improving, while SJF is static at best.
3.  Frankly, I kind of prefer AU to Fisher - nothing against Fisher, but I cared about AU more when I used to play both for Bart in the late 90's and my father's family grew up in western NY country territory (Bath, NY), so I'm a country boy, notwithstanding the fact that I've lived in Washington, DC and NYC for the last 8 years. 

[Bombers798891]

Man there is some discrimihating going on in the poll, apparently Fisher is an underdog despite the Saxons having accomplished less throughout the season.  They have no signature wins, but they do have a signature loss to a 3-6 Ursinus.   And before people go crazy and talk about Fisher winning close games against Springfield and Utica, look at the comparible scores...Neither were impressive.  I guess they could use the argument they beat U of R by a much wider margin than Fisher, but I think the margin between the Ithaca scores slightly tips in Fisher's favor.  I guess I just don't see why more people are drinking their kool-aid?  Maybe it's the Freshman QB who has steadily improved.  What do you guys who voted for Alfred think?  I'm not trying to be negative so don't paste me with -K, I just want to see what it is.  I feel like the general consensus from people will point out Fisher's struggles of late as their reason, but when looking at how Alfred compared to the same teams I'm just not seeing an advantage in their favor.   

Maybe because the only argument Fisher fans ever trot out is: "We beat Ithaca by 30 points back in September" and refuse to admit that their team hasn't looked that good in about six weeks?

[Pat Coleman]

refuse to admit that their team hasn't looked that good in about six weeks?

You haven't been reading the same board I have.

[sjfcards]

I voted for Fisher to win on Saturday for a few reasons.

#1. Fisher has a chance to get into the NCAA's with a win. I have to imagine that they will show up for the game. I really think that Fisher has more talent on their team than any other team in the conference. If they show up and play well, they can beat any team in the conference (evidenced by....I know, I know...a great win against Ithaca).

#2 A second chance on this season. Fisher was down and out for a while this year. The outlook for Fisher's tournament propsects was pretty bleak at best. Not many people, including the Fisher players I am sure, thought Hartwick would lose again. I am sure it is tough to play at a high level, when your season seems over (shown by a 7 point win at Utica, and a 3 point win at home against SC). Fisher will now have a renewed purpose, and purpose for this season. Fisher should really find a way to show up for Saturday.

#3 A team with any type of character should take advantage of the opportunity that Fisher has been given this weekend. I understand that a team with any type of character should show up against teams like Utica and SC even when their season looks to be over, but you get what I am saying. I think this will be the most motivated that Fisher plays this year since the IC game.

#4 I think Fisher is the better team. Both teams playing well I take Fisher 9 times out of 10. I have a VERY biased oppinion obviously, but I believe that to be true.

[superman57]

hell, I'll admit it... I voted for fisher, because I fing love my alma mater and any less would make me not a true fan... So Fisher... F AU (just kidding, I actually like AU and root for you guys to do well) but lets go... this is about being fans of a team...

and bombers do me a favor and go back and read just about all of Upstate's posts and JohnnyUtahs, Fisher fans have been the harder on this team and coaches than ANYONE...

and yes use that to your team too... you got smoked in the 3rd and 4th quaters... not really a good thing to look at... who else have you played since that game... You played Alfred, and from what I read, kinda got lucky to get a win  good luck against Cortland

[boobyhasgameyo]

I voted for AU for three reasons (two of which don't have to do with rationale):
1.  An AU win makes the East much more interesting over this year and the next few.  Additionally, it offers RPI a better chance at getting in.   
2.  AU seems to be improving, while SJF is static at best.
3.  Frankly, I kind of prefer AU to Fisher - nothing against Fisher, but I cared about AU more when I used to play both for Bart in the late 90's and my father's family grew up in western NY country territory (Bath, NY), so I'm a country boy, notwithstanding the fact that I've lived in Washington, DC and NYC for the last 8 years. 

Well if you enjoy Alfred more, I get that as a reason.  I'm sure a bunch of people are voting on that basis alone on both sides.  But in terms of AU improving, that is the part I don't see.  Because they played Ithaca close?  What else have they actually done?  A few weeks ago they only beat Utica by 17, lost to Hartwick by 6, beat Norwich by a similar Margin to Fisher, and beat Springfield by 3.  I just want to understand the seeming double standard of how Alfred seems to be improving with those kinds of scores but Fisher is getting markably worse. 

*Now I do think Fisher is slipping just so we are clear, I'm just not seeing how Alfred has so steadily improved like everyone says. 

[boobyhasgameyo]

Man there is some discrimihating going on in the poll, apparently Fisher is an underdog despite the Saxons having accomplished less throughout the season.  They have no signature wins, but they do have a signature loss to a 3-6 Ursinus.   And before people go crazy and talk about Fisher winning close games against Springfield and Utica, look at the comparible scores...Neither were impressive.  I guess they could use the argument they beat U of R by a much wider margin than Fisher, but I think the margin between the Ithaca scores slightly tips in Fisher's favor.  I guess I just don't see why more people are drinking their kool-aid?  Maybe it's the Freshman QB who has steadily improved.  What do you guys who voted for Alfred think?  I'm not trying to be negative so don't paste me with -K, I just want to see what it is.  I feel like the general consensus from people will point out Fisher's struggles of late as their reason, but when looking at how Alfred compared to the same teams I'm just not seeing an advantage in their favor.   

Maybe because the only argument Fisher fans ever trot out is: "We beat Ithaca by 30 points back in September" and refuse to admit that their team hasn't looked that good in about six weeks?

And Bombers I don't even get you man.  You criticize Fisher fans for being rediculously hard on the team and then you turn around and say we refuse to admit our team hasn't looked good in six weeks.  For somebody that likes to call out people for being contradictory in their arguments, you should really reconsider things like that before you post them. 

[theoriginalupstate]

and bombers do me a favor and go back and read just about all of Upstate's posts and JohnnyUtahs, Fisher fans have been the harder on this team and coaches than ANYONE...

When SJF gets beat im hard on them, when they win im even harder on them because I expect alot from the players and coaching staff.  This team has the makings of being a regional power for years (good recruiting base, good coaching, good facilities) and when they slip up it should be pointed out not just brushed under the rug and hope that they dont make the same mistake next time.

I root hard for this team every week to come out on top but I have never blindly backed this team for no reason like other teams homers do.  The SJF posters on here have been hard on the team because they had high expectations from the team just like the players and coaches did.  I have defended them on other boards when they are bashed on other boards for "ducking" teams from other regions so its not like I am rooting against the team.

Bombers123456789 you need to get past your double standards...

[fisheralum91]

i agree with many of you --- ill give you one more reason that i THINK that the alma mater will win--------
2 wks to prepare and heal.
lot of dings on the team that will be healed- including jimmy smith.
a little rest lots of tape and focus on the prize at hand

[SJF Fan]

I wonder what happens to the East region playoff picture if Fisher loses to Alfred on Saturday?

Then the only team from the E8 to get a bid will be IC.

And the top 8 will be Muhlenberg/Cortland, Itchaca, Hobart, Montclaire, Plymouth, Husson, and RPI/Curry.

The best thing for the E8 would be IC topping Cortland and SJF beating Alfred. Anything else just looks ugly...

Actually no, the best thing would be Cortland to finish strong, beat down IC and increase the odds of an East team getting a top seed in the East. .

[SJF Fan]

I am glad that the E8 title is on the line and to get it, Fish has to go through a respectable team like Alfred.

Alfred is always good - and a game between good teams should decide a conference titled.

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On Cortland's Jug game, it has to be tough to be an IC fan knowing that they could find themselves on the outside looking in no matter what happens  ( and that what is very likely a Cortland victory by 3 touchdowns)

[Bombers798891]

Man there is some discrimihating going on in the poll, apparently Fisher is an underdog despite the Saxons having accomplished less throughout the season.  They have no signature wins, but they do have a signature loss to a 3-6 Ursinus.   And before people go crazy and talk about Fisher winning close games against Springfield and Utica, look at the comparible scores...Neither were impressive.  I guess they could use the argument they beat U of R by a much wider margin than Fisher, but I think the margin between the Ithaca scores slightly tips in Fisher's favor.  I guess I just don't see why more people are drinking their kool-aid?  Maybe it's the Freshman QB who has steadily improved.  What do you guys who voted for Alfred think?  I'm not trying to be negative so don't paste me with -K, I just want to see what it is.  I feel like the general consensus from people will point out Fisher's struggles of late as their reason, but when looking at how Alfred compared to the same teams I'm just not seeing an advantage in their favor.   

Maybe because the only argument Fisher fans ever trot out is: "We beat Ithaca by 30 points back in September" and refuse to admit that their team hasn't looked that good in about six weeks?

And Bombers I don't even get you man.  You criticize Fisher fans for being rediculously hard on the team and then you turn around and say we refuse to admit our team hasn't looked good in six weeks.  For somebody that likes to call out people for being contradictory in their arguments, you should really reconsider things like that before you post them. 

I criticize Fisher fans for being hard on specific players and coaches. Not the overall play of the team. There is a difference.

But why is it that every time SJF isn't ranked in some poll, or isn't being predicted to win, it's assumed it's because of bias? So we don't think you're going to beat Alfred. Why is that so odd? You barely beat Utica and Springfield these last two weeks. You've only played one difficult road game all year, and you lost by 30. When has Fisher last beaten a good team on the road? Ithaca last year? Yeah, Alfred lost to a crappy Ursinius team all the way back in Week 1. The last few weeks, Fisher's spent most of the games looking out of sync, and unfocused. Why can't people think Fisher will lose? What's so, as you put it "Discrimihating"? You're both 6-3. They're at home. Right now, you're not playing up to your potential. How are people being unreasonable here?

For the record, I don't think SJF will lose. But it wouldn't suprise me if they did. It's a game that could go either way. Alfred's a solid team. I don't think, looking at the two teams, one jumps out at me as a favorite. But again, I don't think there's anything to suggest people are being biased against Fisher.

[superman57]

I've argued, about them not being ranked over certain teams... not about them not being ranked #1... understand what is being said...