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[Jonny Utah]

JU, you're a good dood, and you're upset. Fair enough.

Curry has a decent squad, but this IC team never should have lost to them, and that is weak.

also, they were undefeated last year coming into fisher and fisher beat them soundly. IC gets no pass on this loss.

no breaks.

I'm not rubbing it in either, I am upset IC lost. I was honestly looking forward to them giving MUC another run.

I understand.  

I just think its lame to sit on the outside and start crapping on teams for losing playoff games.  Im just not going to do it today.  Im giving credit to Curry and thats it.  

Im not going to throw out the old "if we played 100 times" today.  Its not fair and its not right.  

I understand where you are comming from but Im not going to go there.

That's fair, I can respect that side of it.

I'll let this one go.

Good man.

Maybe I am still cranky and pissed. 

I will be for a while.

[SJFF82]

Ive seen them.  Curry is tough.  .

I usually agree with you JU, but not here... Curry is weak. Fisher beat the ish out of the same team last year. Ithaca simply did not play like they could / should have.

this one should not have been close.

Tags,  I would respect your opinion if you have seen Curry a bunch of times this year and offer me an opinion about them.  But Im not sure if you have.  I played in games (d3) against the top teams in the country.  The best defense Ive ever played against was an NEFC team you have never even heard of.  It was a 1996 Worcester St. team that went undefeated against NEFC competition and might have suprised teams if they would have made the playoffs.

If SJF played a game in front of 10,000 people last year for a playoff spot the outcome might have been different.  Also, not sure if you knew but a lot of those Curry players are back.

Emotion goes a long way in football........that is what makes it such a great sport.

You don't have to respect it ju. Just because I didn't play d3 football, doesn't mean ithaca shouldn't have put curry down today.

you can say what you want - curry isn't  better than IC 99% of the year. Tell me IC played their best and maybe I'll concede.

EDIT:

Also, it was at Butterfield. There should be no excuse for this one.

 I just hate when people crap all over nefc teams and players when they have never seen them play.

....you just called 'em a 4 win team in the E8....which way you want it?

Yea.  SJF was a 5 win team werent they?  And Ithaca lost to them right?  Whats the difference?

huh?  Did you understand my post?  You said you hate when people crap all over NEFC teams and then 2 posts later crapped on Curry by saying they are a only a 4 win team in the E8???

Yea I don't think thats crapping on them is it?  Its me saying they lose 3 games right?  

you mean 4 wins in the E8 or 4 wins on the season.  I thought you meant 4 wins total.  Maybe I misunderstood ya...sorry

same thing.  It was a close game.  Im putting Curry up there with SJF, Alfred and Hartwick.  That was my point.

and now you can put IC down there with all 4

[Senor RedTackle]

any way 82 or U89 can chop those replys down??

eesh...reading the same "previous posts" over and over is making RT dizzy...lol

[dlippiel]

No excuses, statistical domination by Curry:

Total Yards: Curry (440), Ithaca (235)

Passing: Curry (268), Ithaca (102)

Rushing: Curry (172), Ithaca (133)

First Downs: Curry (20), Ithaca (14)

3rd Down Conversions: Curry (8/15), Ithaca (6/16)

Welch punted TWICE in the 4th qtr from the Curry 30 yd line. The resulting drive starts for Curry was the 20 yd line and 17 yd line. Why are you playing field position right there? Throw it up near the end zone, who cares if it gets picked, it's better than a punt. That's not even conservative, that's Rush Limbaugh conservative right there.

So far, I give the IC guys lots of credit....no blaming the conditions or anything else....losing always sucks, but you guys are handling it with class.

Curry deserves a lot of credit here. For a second place NEFC team to come in and take out Ithaca at Ithaca says something to me. This is the same Ithaca team that homogenized Cortland this year. WOW what hapens next in the East?

I was pulling for Ithaca... but i must say its funny how when Hartwick lost to Curry last year it was such a "disgrace"... how could they lose to a team from the NEFC???/  Now Ithaca gets beat and the tune has changed.... "i have to give Curry credit" ... so hypicritcal ... funny how that works...

You know what Bosox you are such a tool Your posts always make me chuckle. This is exactly the point we all make asshole! Curry finally did prove itself today against a "good" "consistent" eastern program in Ithaca. Your horse**** two man team had no place being where it was last year and that was the point everyone was making. Not to mention your horse**** team got "smoked" by Curry all together so it was embarassing. Then your team followed up that loss with another loss against this year against ****ing Springfield You just can't handle the reality that beating your **** ass team dosen't make a team "good." If this was true we would all be giving WNEC credit. Yet when you go to Ithaca in the NCAA's and beat them then it does prove something. So nothing hypocritical here just factual. It's a shame because your pathetic posts and opinions make Wick look stupid especially to those of us who actually root for them occasionally. Oh by the way have fun next year. I look forward to talking then ****head!

Actually...you are the ass and your's and everyone else's,-- that has criticized 'Wick mercilessly for losing to Curry and is now trying to play 'nicey-nice' about IC losing to them AT HOME in their first home play-off game since 1994--, posts are sour grapes.

Actually you are an even bigger ass so there Who the hell is playing nicey-nice' about IC losing to Curry? What is being said is that beating Wick doesn't make you a good team. Beating IC means much more than beating Wick any day of the week. Even if IC played like **** they should beat Curry everyday of the week period. They lost so Curry deserves credit for the win. Ithaca is not a team that has lost to, WNEC, given up 60 something points to a team, 70 to Utica and Brockport collectively. If you beat a team with that type of track record that really does not say a whole lot about you. So when Curry beat Wick last year many of us were not convinced. Look it up asshole I still gave Curry props for the W last year but felt they still were not "up to E8 competition." So don't call me an ass. Cornhole you are the bitter one because for two years in a row your team has lost to a team with two ****ing players and no defense. SFG82...(your new name)Sour ****ing Grapes 82

Actually...I am pretty freaking happy right now.  I am happy SJF ended the season on a good note....happy for the Seniors who actually played out the string.  Good way to go into the off-season.  7-4....nice 6 year play-off run....no sour grapes here.  Keep calling every other poster vulgarities.

Thank you kind sir. I didn't know you are so sensitive to vulgarities. I'll keep that in mind in the future. Just don't put any in that song you are going to write me and we'll be coo. If not I'll save the vulgarities for you and Bosox. Also very nice win for SJF today over Husson. Hopefully it will give them some momentum for next year. The MUC comes to Rochester and hopefully they will be met by a revived SJF team that battled through a tough OOC schedule this year.

[theoriginalupstate]

Go Pumpkinheads!!

Go Chemically Enhanced Cavemen!!

Soon you'll know what its like to go up against MUC, go balls out!!

[Tags]

JU, you're a good dood, and you're upset. Fair enough.

Curry has a decent squad, but this IC team never should have lost to them, and that is weak.

also, they were undefeated last year coming into fisher and fisher beat them soundly. IC gets no pass on this loss.

no breaks.

I'm not rubbing it in either, I am upset IC lost. I was honestly looking forward to them giving MUC another run.

I understand.  

I just think its lame to sit on the outside and start crapping on teams for losing playoff games.  Im just not going to do it today.  Im giving credit to Curry and thats it.  

Im not going to throw out the old "if we played 100 times" today.  Its not fair and its not right.  

I understand where you are comming from but Im not going to go there.

That's fair, I can respect that side of it.

I'll let this one go.

Good man.

Maybe I am still cranky and pissed. 

I will be for a while.

Rightfully so man.

Nothing another six of these and about 8 hours sleep can't fix:

[Senor RedTackle]

Go Chemically Enhanced Cavemen!!

from now on, must use CEC in posts when referring to said team

[wickfan]

I want to start off with, the Hartwick game was a great game to watch. I feel bad for the kids, being up 20 and losing can't be easy.

As I said before, Hartwick has huge issues on defense when they play a large offensive line, they can't match up. Today was a prime example. Hartwick averages about 220lbs on the defensive front, Brockport averages about 290lbs. The center was 6-3 330 and the left tackle was 6-7 320. The tailback for Brockport was larger then any Hartwick defensive linemen.

Besides not having the talent up front, they were without 4 defensive starters. including #5 their free safety. On top of that, their best defensive linemen got hurt early and never returned.

For the question about the defensive coordinator not making adjustments.  They blitzed, they angled, they did everything they could.  I will say the tackling was horrible especially in the first half, but mostly it was Brockport's huge oline mauling the dline of Hartwick. Then the LBs get caught up in the wash and it's a prescription for disaster.

They did play some decent defense at times. Alfred only scored 19 and Manzer and Bork were slowed quite a bit. Remember, I said decent, not great. When they play bad defense, it is beyond bad.

I think the players have to take responsibility also, but, for the most part, I have seen the kids play hard, be in the right spot, they are just over matched.

Hartwick got up 62-42 in the second half by actually getting some defensive stops. The turning point was when Wick was up by that 62-42 and drove the length of the field mostly running. They then threw a ball in the corner of the endzone that was intercepted. Brockport scored off that then picked off Boltus and sccred another one. The killer was Hartwick driving again and Brockport stripped the ball from a receiver and returned it 50 yards for the go ahead TD. The offense did not help the defense at all in the second half. That and a drop of a an interception by a Wick LB were killers.

I am not sure why they threw the first interception when they ran down the field against them, that would have put them up 27 and Brockport does not recover. Not a good call by the offensive coaches on that one. Sometimes you just have to run the ball.

There is a different defensive coordinator this year, so I think the coaching isn't the issue. It's obviously recruiting...I think we need to give the new guy a chance to recruit and see if they can get any size up front. LB's are young and talented but they are sorely undersized. Basically playing with 8 linebackers all year.

Congrats to Brockport it was a heck of a game. I wish the outcome was different but that's life.

Everyone have a great holiday......

[Jonny Utah]

I want to start off with, the Hartwick game was a great game to watch. I feel bad for the kids, being up 20 and losing can't be easy.

As I said before, Hartwick has huge issues on defense when they play a large offensive line, they can't match up. Today was a prime example. Hartwick averages about 220lbs on the defensive front, Brockport averages about 290lbs. The center was 6-3 330 and the left tackle was 6-7 320. The tailback for Brockport was larger then any Hartwick defensive linemen.

Besides not having the talent up front, they were without 4 defensive starters. including #5 their free safety. On top of that, their best defensive linemen got hurt early and never returned.

For the question about the defensive coordinator not making adjustments.  They blitzed, they angled, they did everything they could.  I will say the tackling was horrible especially in the first half, but mostly it was Brockport's huge oline mauling the dline of Hartwick. Then the LBs get caught up in the wash and it's a prescription for disaster.

They did play some decent defense at times. Alfred only scored 19 and Manzer and Bork were slowed quite a bit. Remember, I said decent, not great. When they play bad defense, it is beyond bad.

I think the players have to take responsibility also, but, for the most part, I have seen the kids play hard, be in the right spot, they are just over matched.

Hartwick got up 62-42 in the second half by actually getting some defensive stops. The turning point was when Wick was up by that 62-42 and drove the length of the field mostly running. They then threw a ball in the corner of the endzone that was intercepted. Brockport scored off that then picked off Boltus and sccred another one. The killer was Hartwick driving again and Brockport stripped the ball from a receiver and returned it 50 yards for the go ahead TD. The offense did not help the defense at all in the second half. That and a drop of a an interception by a Wick LB were killers.

I am not sure why they threw the first interception when they ran down the field against them, that would have put them up 27 and Brockport does not recover. Not a good call by the offensive coaches on that one. Sometimes you just have to run the ball.

There is a different defensive coordinator this year, so I think the coaching isn't the issue. It's obviously recruiting...I think we need to give the new guy a chance to recruit and see if they can get any size up front. LB's are young and talented but they are sorely undersized. Basically playing with 8 linebackers all year.

Congrats to Brockport it was a heck of a game. I wish the outcome was different but that's life.

Everyone have a great holiday......

good stuff wickfan +K

[fisheralum91]

wow- tags-- good to see ya on!

im very happy fisher won today but as for building momentum- i doubt it----with the numerous substitutions and everyone plays attitude- those starters that sat may not be so thrilled-
this team needs a gut check-
clean up the dicipline issues- took bad penalties right up until the last whistle
figure out the real offense
shore up the d and get fox a little more confident in his ability
find a frigging kicker and stay with him for the season
fill the norwich void with a cupcake
and for god sakes BUILD RESTROOMS AT GROWNEY

[pg04]

wow- tags-- good to see ya on!

im very happy fisher won today but as for building momentum- i doubt it----with the numerous substitutions and everyone plays attitude- those starters that sat may not be so thrilled-
this team needs a gut check-
clean up the dicipline issues- took bad penalties right up until the last whistle
figure out the real offense
shore up the d and get fox a little more confident in his ability
find a frigging kicker and stay with him for the season
fill the norwich void with a cupcake
and for god sakes BUILD RESTROOMS AT GROWNEY

hey FA my team beat the team you hate doesn't that get me any K LOL 

[Jonny Utah]

Again,

any word on why Juvan and Bergerstock did not play today?

[AUKaz00]

What a terrible day for the E8 and it all occurred on my watch.  I am therefore relinquishing my commissionership. immediately.  My deepest apologies to the conference, the teams, the fans and the E8PP.  My since hope is that my successor will be able to pick up the pieces and restore the conference to a place of honor in the region and the country.

-Kaz00

[pg04]

What a terrible day for the E8 and it all occurred on my watch.  I am therefore relinquishing my commissionership. immediately.  My deepest apologies to the conference, the teams, the fans and the E8PP.  My since hope is that my successor will be able to pick up the pieces and restore the conference to a place of honor in the region and the country.

-Kaz00

With the Conference vulnerable, I am taking over with a coup of power from a foreign land.  My dictatorship will be fair but firm.  All hail King PG. 

[Jonny Utah]

What a terrible day for the E8 and it all occurred on my watch.  I am therefore relinquishing my commissionership. immediately.  My deepest apologies to the conference, the teams, the fans and the E8PP.  My since hope is that my successor will be able to pick up the pieces and restore the conference to a place of honor in the region and the country.

-Kaz00

Dont apologize.