FB: Empire 8

[Yanks 99]

"We knew we were going to be given an opportunity to see one of our top defensive candidates take on his biggest challenge of the season," D3football.com executive editor Pat Coleman said. "The Warhawk front seven did its best to contain Nate Kmic and Rindahl didn't miss a tackle in the process."

"But when D3football.com's Keith McMillan asked Kmic who the best defensive player was that he faced, the answer was Rindahl, sealing the deal."

So seeing Rindahl actually play helped seal his selection for Defensive POY?  I am positive he deserved it, as I honestly would have voted for him as well...but I thought Pat said seeing a player didn't help make the decision for post season accolades, AA teams, etc.? 

OK...now I am done.  I couldn't help myself.

[sjfcards]

Merry X-mas everyone...Enjoy your friends and family

[theoriginalupstate]

I posted before, if Micheli played for Hartwick, he would not have had Boltus stats. 

Any halfway decent QB would put up sick stats in Hartwick's system, Michelli is more than halfway decent...

[Jonny Utah]

Im not sure if this point has been mentioned, but Michelli has also done his best against the best defenses in the country. Guys like Boltus did not get that chance, unless you want to count his performance against Curry last year.

But I also wouldnt go as far to say that any halfway decent QB would put up sick stats in hartiwick's system either.  Can you say the same thing about Florida and Tebow?

[wickfan]

Im not sure if this point has been mentioned, but Michelli has also done his best against the best defenses in the country. Guys like Boltus did not get that chance, unless you want to count his performance against Curry last year.

But I also wouldnt go as far to say that any halfway decent QB would put up sick stats in hartiwick's system either.  Can you say the same thing about Florida and Tebow?

Micheli played against better defenses is true, but, his line and RB were still the best in the country, Boltus had no such luck. Hartwick's o-line was a bunch of 5-9 220-230 lb guys. They were mismatched each and every game by the other team's defensive front 7. I will give them credit, they were a fiesty well coached unit.

I do agree that the Hartwick system gets more credit then it should. If we was only the system that scored all those points, wouldn't everyone play like Hartwick?  Of course not, they run that offense since they can't or don't get stud offensive linemen. When they have a great QB like Botus or Pincelli, they are a good team, when the don't, they falter. The only way for them to become a consistently good team is to some how upgrade the offensive and defensive lines.

[theoriginalupstate]

Im not sure if this point has been mentioned, but Michelli has also done his best against the best defenses in the country. Guys like Boltus did not get that chance, unless you want to count his performance against Curry last year.

But I also wouldnt go as far to say that any halfway decent QB would put up sick stats in hartiwick's system either.  Can you say the same thing about Florida and Tebow?

Didn't Florida win a NC with Tebow as the back up?

[Jonny Utah]

Im not sure if this point has been mentioned, but Michelli has also done his best against the best defenses in the country. Guys like Boltus did not get that chance, unless you want to count his performance against Curry last year.

But I also wouldnt go as far to say that any halfway decent QB would put up sick stats in hartiwick's system either.  Can you say the same thing about Florida and Tebow?

Didn't Florida win a NC with Tebow as the back up?

Yea but that was 2 years ago, his freshman year, and he also ended up having a huge game in the national championship anyway. 

But Im not saying your wrong either.  Maybe Mt. Union could have won with their backup too right?

[Pat Coleman]

They did two years ago, when Greg Micheli came off the bench and did the winning of the game after Michael Jorris looked shaky in the first half.

[theoriginalupstate]

Im not sure if this point has been mentioned, but Michelli has also done his best against the best defenses in the country. Guys like Boltus did not get that chance, unless you want to count his performance against Curry last year.

But I also wouldnt go as far to say that any halfway decent QB would put up sick stats in hartiwick's system either.  Can you say the same thing about Florida and Tebow?

Didn't Florida win a NC with Tebow as the back up?

Yea but that was 2 years ago, his freshman year, and he also ended up having a huge game in the national championship anyway. 

But Im not saying your wrong either.  Maybe Mt. Union could have won with their backup too right?

Urban's system was successful on every level he installed it at...

Bowling Green, Utah and Florida...

I like Tebow but his success has a ton to do with Urban's system, if he went to a Big 10 school and had to play in a pro style offense he wouldn't be a Heisman winner. 

[Jonny Utah]

Im not sure if this point has been mentioned, but Michelli has also done his best against the best defenses in the country. Guys like Boltus did not get that chance, unless you want to count his performance against Curry last year.

But I also wouldnt go as far to say that any halfway decent QB would put up sick stats in hartiwick's system either.  Can you say the same thing about Florida and Tebow?

Didn't Florida win a NC with Tebow as the back up?

Yea but that was 2 years ago, his freshman year, and he also ended up having a huge game in the national championship anyway. 

But Im not saying your wrong either.  Maybe Mt. Union could have won with their backup too right?

Urban's system was successful on every level he installed it at...

Bowling Green, Utah and Florida...

I like Tebow but his success has a ton to do with Urban's system, if he went to a Big 10 school and had to play in a pro style offense he wouldn't be a Heisman winner. 

Yea Im not really disagreeing with you.  But Urbans QBs have never been as dominating as Tebow I dont think.

Although I do think Florida uses Tebow differently than Hartwick used Boltus.  Florida seems to be a run first/pass second while Hartwick was slightly the other way.

[HHawks]

I posted before, if Micheli played for Hartwick, he would not have had Boltus stats. 

Any halfway decent QB would put up sick stats in Hartwick's system, Michelli is more than halfway decent...

Hartwick doesn't run that complicated of an offense. Its not like there running a bunch of trick plays or something. They score alot because Boltus executes the system well. Yes Micheli is a good QB, I was impressed with him in the Stagg Bowl but If he was in a system where he had to throw 40 times a game while under constant pressure I don't think he would put up the same stats as Boltus.

[Reno Hightower]

Im not sure if this point has been mentioned, but Michelli has also done his best against the best defenses in the country. Guys like Boltus did not get that chance, unless you want to count his performance against Curry last year.

But I also wouldnt go as far to say that any halfway decent QB would put up sick stats in hartiwick's system either.  Can you say the same thing about Florida and Tebow?

Didn't Florida win a NC with Tebow as the back up?

Yea but that was 2 years ago, his freshman year, and he also ended up having a huge game in the national championship anyway. 

But Im not saying your wrong either.  Maybe Mt. Union could have won with their backup too right?

Urban's system was successful on every level he installed it at...

Bowling Green, Utah and Florida...

I like Tebow but his success has a ton to do with Urban's system, if he went to a Big 10 school and had to play in a pro style offense he wouldn't be a Heisman winner. 

Yea Im not really disagreeing with you.  But Urbans QBs have never been as dominating as Tebow I dont think.

Although I do think Florida uses Tebow differently than Hartwick used Boltus.  Florida seems to be a run first/pass second while Hartwick was slightly the other way.

Alex Smith was drafted 1st overall out of Utah. Bad scouting yes, but it shows he must have dominated college football!

[Jonny Utah]

Im not sure if this point has been mentioned, but Michelli has also done his best against the best defenses in the country. Guys like Boltus did not get that chance, unless you want to count his performance against Curry last year.

But I also wouldnt go as far to say that any halfway decent QB would put up sick stats in hartiwick's system either.  Can you say the same thing about Florida and Tebow?

Didn't Florida win a NC with Tebow as the back up?

Yea but that was 2 years ago, his freshman year, and he also ended up having a huge game in the national championship anyway. 

But Im not saying your wrong either.  Maybe Mt. Union could have won with their backup too right?

Urban's system was successful on every level he installed it at...

Bowling Green, Utah and Florida...

I like Tebow but his success has a ton to do with Urban's system, if he went to a Big 10 school and had to play in a pro style offense he wouldn't be a Heisman winner. 

Yea Im not really disagreeing with you.  But Urbans QBs have never been as dominating as Tebow I dont think.

Although I do think Florida uses Tebow differently than Hartwick used Boltus.  Florida seems to be a run first/pass second while Hartwick was slightly the other way.

Alex Smith was drafted 1st overall out of Utah. Bad scouting yes, but it shows he must have dominated college football!

Yea I don't think Tebow will have a great NFL career either although he still was more of a dominating college football player than Smith.  (I don't think I ever saw Smith play an actual game though either)

[sjfcards]

Im not sure if this point has been mentioned, but Michelli has also done his best against the best defenses in the country. Guys like Boltus did not get that chance, unless you want to count his performance against Curry last year.

But I also wouldnt go as far to say that any halfway decent QB would put up sick stats in hartiwick's system either.  Can you say the same thing about Florida and Tebow?

Didn't Florida win a NC with Tebow as the back up?

Yea but that was 2 years ago, his freshman year, and he also ended up having a huge game in the national championship anyway. 

But Im not saying your wrong either.  Maybe Mt. Union could have won with their backup too right?

Urban's system was successful on every level he installed it at...

Bowling Green, Utah and Florida...

I like Tebow but his success has a ton to do with Urban's system, if he went to a Big 10 school and had to play in a pro style offense he wouldn't be a Heisman winner. 

Yea Im not really disagreeing with you.  But Urbans QBs have never been as dominating as Tebow I dont think.

Although I do think Florida uses Tebow differently than Hartwick used Boltus.  Florida seems to be a run first/pass second while Hartwick was slightly the other way.

Alex Smith was drafted 1st overall out of Utah. Bad scouting yes, but it shows he must have dominated college football!

Yea I don't think Tebow will have a great NFL career either although he still was more of a dominating college football player than Smith.  (I don't think I ever saw Smith play an actual game though either)

I see a lot of 3rd and 1, 3rd and 2's in Tebow's future. I don't know how much of a QB he will be, but he can be a great short yardage back in the NFL. He may be the best short yardage back in College Football right now.

[Frank Rossi]

I see a lot of 3rd and 1, 3rd and 2's in Tebow's future. I don't know how much of a QB he will be, but he can be a great short yardage back in the NFL. He may be the best short yardage back in College Football right now.

Not sure I agree.  If he's not at the QB position, then defenses can key in on him a lot more than they do now.  My thought is that if he's in the backfield, he's not going to be able to just duck into the line and push for two yards -- he'll actually need some pure runs from a tailback-type position.  So, this could be interesting -- he might be a one-hit wonder in the NFL like Kordell Stewart was, if he's a hit at all.