FB: Empire 8

[pumkinattack]

When is the last time an LL school beat an E8 school during regular season or NCAA's?

In recent history, I have seen SJF take out an ok Union team, and a decent Hobart squad in the playoffs. And they've routinely put a beating on UR over the past few years.

Note: I don't care what conference is better, just wondering about the above.

Hobart and Alfred revivied their old series in 2006 and 2007 with Bart taking both (including a smackdown in 2007 against an Alfred team that was highly thought of - around 10th or 12th in the country when Bart beat them)

[union89]

Just giving ole saxy8 the new guy business. Gro would prefer the two conferences stay intact just so we can continue this "who's better" talk.

IC and Alfred do have connections with RPI and Union in the old ICAC days... either one would be a good addition to the LL, but I hope the league doesn't get bigger than 8 teams. I like having 7 conference games and enough room to schedule some OOC to pad the resume if you don't win outright.

I don't picture Susquhana staying there for the long term

Seriously Utah??  As my friend Regulator would say, "Get a damn late pass".

[Jonny Utah]

Just giving ole saxy8 the new guy business. Gro would prefer the two conferences stay intact just so we can continue this "who's better" talk.

IC and Alfred do have connections with RPI and Union in the old ICAC days... either one would be a good addition to the LL, but I hope the league doesn't get bigger than 8 teams. I like having 7 conference games and enough room to schedule some OOC to pad the resume if you don't win outright.

I don't picture Susquhana staying there for the long term

Seriously Utah??  As my friend Regulator would say, "Get a damn late pass".

wow, are they already gone?

[union89]

Just giving ole saxy8 the new guy business. Gro would prefer the two conferences stay intact just so we can continue this "who's better" talk.

IC and Alfred do have connections with RPI and Union in the old ICAC days... either one would be a good addition to the LL, but I hope the league doesn't get bigger than 8 teams. I like having 7 conference games and enough room to schedule some OOC to pad the resume if you don't win outright.

I don't picture Susquhana staying there for the long term

Seriously Utah??  As my friend Regulator would say, "Get a damn late pass".

wow, are they already gone?

Going to the Centennial in '10

[Jonny Utah]

Just giving ole saxy8 the new guy business. Gro would prefer the two conferences stay intact just so we can continue this "who's better" talk.

IC and Alfred do have connections with RPI and Union in the old ICAC days... either one would be a good addition to the LL, but I hope the league doesn't get bigger than 8 teams. I like having 7 conference games and enough room to schedule some OOC to pad the resume if you don't win outright.

I don't picture Susquhana staying there for the long term

Seriously Utah??  As my friend Regulator would say, "Get a damn late pass".

wow, are they already gone?

Going to the Centennial in '10

I misremembered that. 

[union89]

 

Just giving ole saxy8 the new guy business. Gro would prefer the two conferences stay intact just so we can continue this "who's better" talk.

IC and Alfred do have connections with RPI and Union in the old ICAC days... either one would be a good addition to the LL, but I hope the league doesn't get bigger than 8 teams. I like having 7 conference games and enough room to schedule some OOC to pad the resume if you don't win outright.

I don't picture Susquhana staying there for the long term

Seriously Utah??  As my friend Regulator would say, "Get a damn late pass".

wow, are they already gone?

Going to the Centennial in '10

I misremembered that. 

.....Very topical.....how does he continue to use that term?

[boobyhasgameyo]

Just giving ole saxy8 the new guy business. Gro would prefer the two conferences stay intact just so we can continue this "who's better" talk.

IC and Alfred do have connections with RPI and Union in the old ICAC days... either one would be a good addition to the LL, but I hope the league doesn't get bigger than 8 teams. I like having 7 conference games and enough room to schedule some OOC to pad the resume if you don't win outright.

I don't picture Susquhana staying there for the long term

Seriously Utah??  As my friend Regulator would say, "Get a damn late pass".

wow, are they already gone?

Going to the Centennial in '10

I misremembered that. 

Hahaha that was classic.  +k for a long long time JU

[Bombers798891]

Regarding IC's dominance in the empire 8 outside of baseball...

Let's take the last 5 years, so it's even in each sport, although certain sports could go back much farther with their "domination" (Regular season records only)

Men's Lax

2005: 7-0
2006: 7-0
2007: 7-0
2008: 6-1
2009: 7-1

Total: 27-2

Men's Soccer

2004: 6-0
2005: 6-0
2006: 5-1
2007: 3-3
2008: 5-0-2

Total: 25-4-2

Softball

2005: 10-2
2006: 12-0
2007: 12-0
2008: 12-0
2009: 10-2

Total 56-4

Women's Soccer

2004: 6-0-1
2005: 6-0-1
2006: 7-0-0
2007: 8-0-0
2008: 7-1-0

Total 34-1-2

Men's Tennis

2005: 5-1
2006: 4-1
2007: 4-1
2008: 7-1
2009: 8-0

Total 28-4

Women's Tennis

2005: 3-0
2006: 4-0
2007: 4-0
2008: 7-0
2009: 8-0

Total: 26-0

Volleyball

2004: 3-0
2005: 7-0
2006: 6-1
2007: 5-3
2008: 3-3

Total 24-7

Women's Basketball

2005: 12-1
2006: 9-5
2007: 10-4
2008: 14-2
2009: 13-3

Total: 58-15

Combined conference record of eight sports over the last 5 years:

278-37-4 (.871) 18 undefeated seasons out of 40 total

Yeah, what are the Bombers thinking? Other then baseball, their teams are just not that dominant in anything. Now of course, some of these teams struggle in the conference postseason, but how many other E8 teams can trot out a winning percentage like that? Obviously, baseball and football are no slouches either. In the last five years, I doubt anyone can match those kinds of numbers (although you can prove me wrong)

Also, yes, some of those sports are what you may call, "fringe" sports, but they all make up a school's athletic program, and Ithaca has a strong showing in many sports across the board (This doesn't even take into account Women's crew, Wrestling, Women's swimming, and Women's track programs, all traditionally very strong) Ithaca is the only E8 school to finish in the Top 30 of the Directors Cup standings all 12 years of it's existence. Sport for sport, I'd put IC up against any other E8 school.

Ithaca College would not be displaying arrogance if they left the E8.

[fisheralum91]

and yet we still dont care...............

[Bombers798891]

and yet we still dont care...............

Is someone deflecting? 

Don't worry it'll be....football season soon

(Sorry that pause was while I tried to figure out another sport that SJF could hang with Ithaca in...)

I'll probably be up for the MUC game. Who's the guy to watch this year for SJF? What's the good word?

[fisheralum91]

bombers--please note the sarcsm.....

ill be there too--- and i honestly havent a clue---waiting for SOME FISHER INSIDERS to give an old alum the scoop

[boobyhasgameyo]

and yet we still dont care...............

Is someone deflecting? 

Don't worry it'll be....football season soon

(Sorry that pause was while I tried to figure out another sport that SJF could hang with Ithaca in...)

I'll probably be up for the MUC game. Who's the guy to watch this year for SJF? What's the good word?

Anyways Bombers you sure referenced a lot of women's sports in that argument which I said I didn't really look at.  Go back to the sports I mentioned and I was looking at who won the Empire 8 Championships each year, and believe me Ithaca does not have a strong hold on any of them outside of the ones I mentioned.  As for other sports Fisher can "hang" with Ithaca in, like I mentioned before year in and year out I'd say Ithaca would consider it a good year if they could contend with Fisher in basketball and golf. 

I'm not dismissing women's athletics by any means but do you honestly truly at the bottom of your heart where your deepest most politically incorrect thoughts reside believe the people making the decisions on which league to join will put more emphasis on competition for the bigger male sports such as basketball, football, lacrosse in New York, etc. or do you think they are saying to themselves man our women's tennis has been dominating, we have to find better competition for them.  I would think it's the former. 

[wickfan]

It,s unfortunate that when the Empire 8 was formed the SUNY schools asked to be part of the confrence since they were independent at that time. The Presidents, AD's & Football coaches of the new E8 NY schools thought that it was beneath them to play the SUNY schools ,and they would rather play schools like Springfield. This forced the SUNY schools to have to join leagues that played in MD,Va & NJ.

Have fun traveling and playing a independent schedule.

I don't think the E8 presidents thought the SUNY schools were "beneath" them, since many SUNY schools are academically on par or better than many E8 schools.  It had to do with the fact that private E8 schools have similar issues, concerns and goals with each other that public schools don't have.

I heard that the big issue was the private schools wanted to have an unlimited roster to drive up enrollment and the state schools wanted a 100 player roster rule to cap their expenses.

Case in point, the NJAC has a 100 player roster rule.

[Jonny Utah]

and yet we still dont care...............

Is someone deflecting? 

Don't worry it'll be....football season soon

(Sorry that pause was while I tried to figure out another sport that SJF could hang with Ithaca in...)

I'll probably be up for the MUC game. Who's the guy to watch this year for SJF? What's the good word?

Anyways Bombers you sure referenced a lot of women's sports in that argument which I said I didn't really look at.  Go back to the sports I mentioned and I was looking at who won the Empire 8 Championships each year, and believe me Ithaca does not have a strong hold on any of them outside of the ones I mentioned.  As for other sports Fisher can "hang" with Ithaca in, like I mentioned before year in and year out I'd say Ithaca would consider it a good year if they could contend with Fisher in basketball and golf. 

I'm not dismissing women's athletics by any means but do you honestly truly at the bottom of your heart where your deepest most politically incorrect thoughts reside believe the people making the decisions on which league to join will put more emphasis on competition for the bigger male sports such as basketball, football, lacrosse in New York, etc. or do you think they are saying to themselves man our women's tennis has been dominating, we have to find better competition for them.  I would think it's the former. 

I would still bet that if you took winning percentage of all the mens sports within the E8, you would find Ithaca is probably head above the other schools.  Many E8 championships are based on conference tournments, which don't always reflect the strength of a program.  Plus there are other sports that Ithaca has done very well in that the E8 does not have a league for, (no wrestling, crew or gymnastics which are all sports where Ithaca has dominated and won national championships in).

And I don't think the whole move is about the athletic competition.  It might be more of academic competition and recruiting for athletes.  Ithaca has a stronger student body from the suburbs of Philly, New York, and Boston that most other E8 schools don't have.  The LL schools do attract students from the same area Ithaca does, and I bet Ithaca wants to be a part of that group for recruiting purposes as well.

I have experienced that first hand here in Boston.  While coaching and teaching, kids would ask me what kinds of schools Ithaca played against and what league they were in.  These same kids would go to St. Lawrence, Union or Hobart, but probably wouldnt go to schools like SJF, Elmira, Naz or Utica.  It has nothing to do with the schools themselves, just that Ithaca has more of a northeast/mid-atlantic regional student base compared to a regional (new york) student base.

[PBR...]

and yet we still dont care...............

Is someone deflecting? 

Don't worry it'll be....football season soon

(Sorry that pause was while I tried to figure out another sport that SJF could hang with Ithaca in...)

I'll probably be up for the MUC game. Who's the guy to watch this year for SJF? What's the good word?

Anyways Bombers you sure referenced a lot of women's sports in that argument which I said I didn't really look at.  Go back to the sports I mentioned and I was looking at who won the Empire 8 Championships each year, and believe me Ithaca does not have a strong hold on any of them outside of the ones I mentioned.  As for other sports Fisher can "hang" with Ithaca in, like I mentioned before year in and year out I'd say Ithaca would consider it a good year if they could contend with Fisher in basketball and golf. 

I'm not dismissing women's athletics by any means but do you honestly truly at the bottom of your heart where your deepest most politically incorrect thoughts reside believe the people making the decisions on which league to join will put more emphasis on competition for the bigger male sports such as basketball, football, lacrosse in New York, etc. or do you think they are saying to themselves man our women's tennis has been dominating, we have to find better competition for them.  I would think it's the former. 

I would still bet that if you took winning percentage of all the mens sports within the E8, you would find Ithaca is probably head above the other schools.  Many E8 championships are based on conference tournments, which don't always reflect the strength of a program.  Plus there are other sports that Ithaca has done very well in that the E8 does not have a league for, (no wrestling, crew or gymnastics which are all sports where Ithaca has dominated and won national championships in).

And I don't think the whole move is about the athletic competition.  It might be more of academic competition and recruiting for athletes.  Ithaca has a stronger student body from the suburbs of Philly, New York, and Boston that most other E8 schools don't have.  The LL schools do attract students from the same area Ithaca does, and I bet Ithaca wants to be a part of that group for recruiting purposes as well.

I have experienced that first hand here in Boston.  While coaching and teaching, kids would ask me what kinds of schools Ithaca played against and what league they were in.  These same kids would go to St. Lawrence, Union or Hobart, but probably wouldnt go to schools like SJF, Elmira, Naz or Utica.  It has nothing to do with the schools themselves, just that Ithaca has more of a northeast/mid-atlantic regional student base compared to a regional (new york) student base.

true dat...in fact your starting qb there several years ago graduated behind pbr in high school. lots of kids from around pbr go to the LL schools. just out of curiosity when did ithaca last win a national championship in wrestling? (pbr too lazy to look it up)