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[Saxon73]

Here's something I've been wondering.  Alfred's two bye weeks occurred when Ithaca was playing at Wick and Utica at Fisher with Alfred playing the home team in each of those contests the next week, respectively.  I assume that the Alfred coaching staff made the trip to Oneonta and will be in Pittsford tomorrow allowing them to scout the 4 conference teams that hadn't played during their byes.  Does scouting the games in person provide an advantage over film (I would assume it does) and, if so, what is that additional insight worth?

+K for an awesome question.  I would like to know the answer to that myself. 

73 is a visual person - loves maps, graphs etc.  I would think that film or video is advantageous as one can go back over and over any particular play or aspect to get a total picture of the fleeting moments.  So much goes on so quickly that, in person you can't know what you are misssing. 

There is definitely an incredible amount of value in studying tape and Alfred will likely spend just as much time watching tape for the Fisher game, but I would assume there is value in watching the game live since you can view what's happening on the entire field instead of just where the camera is aimed.  Plus, you can strategize on what plays you'd call in each situation in real time.

Good points KaZOO,

Each has their advantages but.... if you had to pick one or the other

[Saxon73]

Pep recalls his high school days when World Series games were always played during the days. It was part of American culture. Pep's school set up a 25" TV on a cart in the cafeteria where students could watch the championship of "America's Pasttime." Pep can't remember whether the TV was color, but Pep DOES remember that the theme song for the senior prom was "Color My World."

Pep, Color My World by Chicago Transit Authority or if the song was on their 2nd album they just went by Chicago; late 60's, early 70's  -  should be color TV but where did you get the 25 incher ?

[Saxon73]

Utaca will never beat SJF.  Never.  Write it down.

Jonny,

In the past Ithaca posters pointed out that it is not Ithica;  I can't believe my Utica friends didn't catch you on this one.  Fish 91 and drew must have blinked at the wrong time 

[AUPepBand]

Here's something I've been wondering.  Alfred's two bye weeks occurred when Ithaca was playing at Wick and Utica at Fisher with Alfred playing the home team in each of those contests the next week, respectively.  I assume that the Alfred coaching staff made the trip to Oneonta and will be in Pittsford tomorrow allowing them to scout the 4 conference teams that hadn't played during their byes.  Does scouting the games in person provide an advantage over film (I would assume it does) and, if so, what is that additional insight worth?

Interesting that you should ask, Kaz00. They can't. The NCAA prohibits members of the football coaching staff to attend games of teams that are on their schedule. Right after Coach Murray asked Pep for "more commitment" from the AU Pep Band (after a lackluster kazoo performance at last Saterday's win over Hartwick) and Pep apologized for the Band's abysmal play, Pep asked whether any of the coaches would be at Growney Saturday night.

Pep was shocked to hear this as Pep remembers Cody (who announces AU games over WLEA) was the "scout" on Coach Yunevich's staff and missed a lot of Alfred games because he was scouting other teams. Pep also remembers chatting with scouts from other teams in attendance at Merrill Field years ago. The advent of videorecording all games (and thus exchange of "game films") led to prohibition of scouting, apparently.

[AUPepBand]

Utaca will never beat SJF.  Never.  Write it down.

Jonny,

In the past Ithaca posters pointed out that it is not Ithica;  I can't believe my Utica friends didn't catch you on this one.  Fish 91 and drew must have blinked at the wrong time 

Saxon 73....if you only knew Jonny, you'd understand that he spelled it UTACA on purpose...as a means of releasing all of the pent up frustration from the countless times posters have missssspellllllled ITACA.

[theoriginalupstate]

Interesting that you should ask, Kaz00. They can't. The NCAA prohibits members of the football coaching staff to attend games of teams that are on their schedule. Right after Coach Murray asked Pep for "more commitment" from the AU Pep Band (after a lackluster kazoo performance at last Saterday's win over Hartwick) and Pep apologized for the Band's abysmal play, Pep asked whether any of the coaches would be at Growney Saturday night.

Pep was shocked to hear this as Pep remembers Cody (who announces AU games over WLEA) was the "scout" on Coach Yunevich's staff and missed a lot of Alfred games because he was scouting other teams. Pep also remembers chatting with scouts from other teams in attendance at Merrill Field years ago. The advent of videorecording all games (and thus exchange of "game films" led to prohibition of scouting, apparently.

Interesting is that a new rule? In previous seasons (haven't made a game yet this year but will be Saturday) I've seen opposing coaches from different teams (AU and Brockport) at SJF games...

[AUPepBand]

Pep does not know...only passing along what he was told.

[theoriginalupstate]

Pep does not know...only passing along what he was told.

Yeah It's not like the coaches from other teams were being sneaky about it or anything so I was assuming it wasn't against the rules...

They and other players were there in team gear...

[AUPepBand]

Pep does not know...only passing along what he was told.

Yeah It's not like the coaches from other teams were being sneaky about it or anything so I was assuming it wasn't against the rules...

They and other players were there in team gear...

Perhaps it's a new ruling then. Where are all the attorney posters? Perhaps they could take a sneak at the NCAA regulations governing D3 football.

[BoSox0322]

Here's something I've been wondering.  Alfred's two bye weeks occurred when Ithaca was playing at Wick and Utica at Fisher with Alfred playing the home team in each of those contests the next week, respectively.  I assume that the Alfred coaching staff made the trip to Oneonta and will be in Pittsford tomorrow allowing them to scout the 4 conference teams that hadn't played during their byes.  Does scouting the games in person provide an advantage over film (I would assume it does) and, if so, what is that additional insight worth?

+K for an awesome question.  I would like to know the answer to that myself. 

The advantages to seeing a team live can be seeing how big/fast/strong the players realy are thats difficult to pick up on in film at times... seeing the other teams personel changes and seeing/hearing the signals/calls.... and I have also seen teams that go to live scout and then refuse to do film exchange ...
I do believe thats all banned tho... but i dont know for sure

[BoSox0322]

Pep does not know...only passing along what he was told.

Yeah It's not like the coaches from other teams were being sneaky about it or anything so I was assuming it wasn't against the rules...

They and other players were there in team gear...

Perhaps it's a new ruling then. Where are all the attorney posters? Perhaps they could take a sneak at the NCAA regulations governing D3 football.

yea I dont know if its just an unwritten rule or if its actually not allowed

[union89]

Here's something I've been wondering.  Alfred's two bye weeks occurred when Ithaca was playing at Wick and Utica at Fisher with Alfred playing the home team in each of those contests the next week, respectively.  I assume that the Alfred coaching staff made the trip to Oneonta and will be in Pittsford tomorrow allowing them to scout the 4 conference teams that hadn't played during their byes.  Does scouting the games in person provide an advantage over film (I would assume it does) and, if so, what is that additional insight worth?

Interesting that you should ask, Kaz00. They can't. The NCAA prohibits members of the football coaching staff to attend games of teams that are on their schedule. Right after Coach Murray asked Pep for "more commitment" from the AU Pep Band (after a lackluster kazoo performance at last Saterday's win over Hartwick) and Pep apologized for the Band's abysmal play, Pep asked whether any of the coaches would be at Growney Saturday night.

Pep was shocked to hear this as Pep remembers Cody (who announces AU games over WLEA) was the "scout" on Coach Yunevich's staff and missed a lot of Alfred games because he was scouting other teams. Pep also remembers chatting with scouts from other teams in attendance at Merrill Field years ago. The advent of videorecording all games (and thus exchange of "game films" led to prohibition of scouting, apparently.

Hmmmm, never heard that before, interesting.....I wonder why that is?  

I don't really see the harm in sending a Jr. staff member, the week before to scout an opponent.

[AUPepBand]

Hmmmm, never heard that before, interesting.....I wonder why that is?  

I don't really see the harm in sending a Jr. staff member, the week before to scout an opponent.

Pep found an NCAA regulation governing "Conduct and Employment of Athletics Personnel" (Bylaw 11) that stated:
10.  Limitations on Scouting of Opponent
a. Bylaws 11.6.1, 11.6.2, 11.6.3, 11.6.4
b. Basketball, football and women's volleyball - not permitted....

Also, for purposes of the NCAA Division III Football Championship Tournament, Live scouting is prohibited during all rounds of NCAA championship play.

[Saxon73]

Sounds kinda unconstitutional.

Maybe JoseQ can help us with this. 

[theoriginalupstate]

Hmmmm, never heard that before, interesting.....I wonder why that is?  

I don't really see the harm in sending a Jr. staff member, the week before to scout an opponent.

Pep found an NCAA regulation governing "Conduct and Employment of Athletics Personnel" (Bylaw 11) that stated:
10.  Limitations on Scouting of Opponent
a. Bylaws 11.6.1, 11.6.2, 11.6.3, 11.6.4
b. Basketball, football and women's volleyball - not permitted....

Also, for purposes of the NCAA Division III Championships, Live scouting is prohibited during all rounds of NCAA championship play.

Interesting...

Might want to tell assistants to lighten up on the AU gear when going there with a pad of paper and writing instrument then...