FB: Empire 8

[Saxon73]

OK,

Pedro looks good so far. 

[BoSox0322]

I think it's about the same.

You dont think its more painful to lose at home than on the road?  Or if rephrased ... you dont think a loss at home is more damaging than a loss on the road?

Of course not...if it makes Ithaca look good and Hartwick look bad...then throw out all conventional wisdom and say whatever feels right.

Like you, I have been saying it for over a year now.  Wick losses to Curry on the road, it's the worse loss ever...Ithaca losses to Curry at home, and all of a sudden Curry has "arrived".  No big deal...just the way things are.

You going to the Wick-UC game this weekend?

BoSox: I've experienced heartbreaking losses at home (game 7 '04 ALCS, Cortaca '03, '05) and on the road (a-rod-varitek brawl game '04, fisher-IC '06). They feel about the same. It's probably worse on the road because all the home fans are so happy. Maybe it feels different for players, I don't know.

Yanks: Get over the inferiority complex. I think the Ithaca loss was WORSE than the Hartwick loss. Curry is still Curry.

losing at home as a player is worse... especially with expectations... all those people are there to see your game and you get beat... it sucks

[BoSox0322]

I think it's about the same.

You dont think its more painful to lose at home than on the road?  Or if rephrased ... you dont think a loss at home is more damaging than a loss on the road?

Of course not...if it makes Ithaca look good and Hartwick look bad...then throw out all conventional wisdom and say whatever feels right.

Like you, I have been saying it for over a year now.  Wick losses to Curry on the road, it's the worse loss ever...Ithaca losses to Curry at home, and all of a sudden Curry has "arrived".  No big deal...just the way things are.

You going to the Wick-UC game this weekend?

BoSox: I've experienced heartbreaking losses at home (game 7 '04 ALCS, Cortaca '03, '05) and on the road (a-rod-varitek brawl game '04, fisher-IC '06). They feel about the same. It's probably worse on the road because all the home fans are so happy. Maybe it feels different for players, I don't know.

Yanks: Get over the inferiority complex. I think the Ithaca loss was WORSE than the Hartwick loss. Curry is still Curry.

What complex?  I just said it wasn't a big deal...but that is the perception.  Your earlier post suggested it as well.

That is the perception. Because it's true. As a football program since they returned, Hartwick's been inferior to Ithaca. That may irritate Wick people, but it'd be no different if we were comparing Ithaca and Rowan over the past 10 years.

Look, the Wick is 8 games over .500 in the d3.com era (since 1999). Ithaca is 58 games over. Ithaca's gone 7-1 against the Hawks in the last eight years. The Hawks made the playoffs once. Ithaca's made it five times.

Why do we have to pretend that the two programs are equal? They're not. Year-in, year-out, Ithaca's a better program. And because the programs are not equal, wins over the two teams do not carry equal weight. That's the way it works in sports. Things don't always exist in a one-year vacuum. Opinions tend to be made based information from multiple years.

Yes, technically we're comparing 2007 Wick to 2008 Ithaca, and on just that, we could debate endlessly. But for a lot of people, it's the name that draws attention to it.

i dont think he's comparing the programs... there is no comparison...

just the loss to curry for Hartwick was "embarrising" for the E8 and when ithaca lost its was ok 9 in context)... or "Curry has arrived"  and honestly that statment isnt even that far off because to beat ithaca is more of an accomplishment that beating hartwick (on a year to year basis) ... i think he was just saying its funny how they were such a joke when hartwick lost and not so much when ithaca lost

[BoSox0322]

Don't forget the 68 pts given up the week prior to Utica. 

only gave up 30 to Hobart last time they played and scored 31...

[pumkinattack]

Don't forget the 68 pts given up the week prior to Utica. 

only gave up 30 to Hobart last time they played and scored 31...

You're going to reference 1997, when my 31yr old azz was a SO?  Want to compare records since then?  How about NCAA appearances and NCAA wins?  Get a defense and a real schedule and then we'll talk. 

[theoriginalupstate]

Don't forget the 68 pts given up the week prior to Utica. 

only gave up 30 to Hobart last time they played and scored 31...

You're going to reference 1997, when my 31yr old azz was a SO?  Want to compare records since then?  How about NCAA appearances and NCAA wins?  Get a defense and a real schedule and then we'll talk. 

You mean scheduling NEFC cupcakes doesn't count as a real schedule?

[pumkinattack]

See my comment on the east region poll thread.  It's the same treatment we give RPI in the LL for that scheduling. 

[BoSox0322]

Don't forget the 68 pts given up the week prior to Utica. 

only gave up 30 to Hobart last time they played and scored 31...

You're going to reference 1997, when my 31yr old azz was a SO?  Want to compare records since then?  How about NCAA appearances and NCAA wins?  Get a defense and a real schedule and then we'll talk. 

No actually I want to compare the score of the game that Hobart and Hartwick last played against each other.... i think i was very obvious about that ... and just to remind you... you lost... we won

[BoSox0322]

Date  Opponent Location Time/Result Details
9/12/2009    at Dickinson Carlisle, Pa. L 3-26  Details  
9/19/2009    Carnegie Mellon Geneva, N.Y. - Boswell Field W 26-14  Details  
9/26/2009  * at Susquehanna Selinsgrove, Pa. L 10-20  Details  
10/3/2009  * St. Lawrence Geneva, N.Y. - Boswell Field W 33-10  Details  
10/10/2009  * at Union Schenectady, N.Y. L 21-31  Details  
10/24/2009  * Merchant Marine Geneva, N.Y. - Boswell Field W 28-0  Details  
10/31/2009  * at WPI Worcester, Mass. 1 p.m.  Details  
11/7/2009  * Rensselaer Geneva, N.Y. - Boswell Field Noon  Details  
11/14/2009  * at Rochester Rochester, N.Y. Noon  Details  


this is the schedule that you're bragging about? come on dude.  Strength of schedule?...thats fishers arguement right now and rightly so ... not yours my wittle pumpkin

[maxpower]

Three letters for the last three pages of this board: W. T. F.

An IC poster just cannot say anything on this board about IC or any other team without it being picked apart about "not giving enough respect" to other E8 teams. THE ONLY E8 team that has done anything to deserve assumed* respect is SJF. But we still give it to SJF because we are bitter.


*Meaning, yes we respect Alfred this year, but they could still blow it, etc.

[pumkinattack]

Don't forget the 68 pts given up the week prior to Utica. 

only gave up 30 to Hobart last time they played and scored 31...

You're going to reference 1997, when my 31yr old azz was a SO?  Want to compare records since then?  How about NCAA appearances and NCAA wins?  Get a defense and a real schedule and then we'll talk. 

No actually I want to compare the score of the game that Hobart and Hartwick last played against each other.... i think i was very obvious about that ... and just to remind you... you lost... we won

Yeah I played in that game, and also won against Wick.  It was a useless game becuse they threw literally 50-60 times per game and there was nothing to gain with a win and we were though to have sucked if we lost. 

[pumkinattack]

Date  Opponent Location Time/Result Details
9/12/2009    at Dickinson Carlisle, Pa. L 3-26  Details  
9/19/2009    Carnegie Mellon Geneva, N.Y. - Boswell Field W 26-14  Details  
9/26/2009  * at Susquehanna Selinsgrove, Pa. L 10-20  Details  
10/3/2009  * St. Lawrence Geneva, N.Y. - Boswell Field W 33-10  Details  
10/10/2009  * at Union Schenectady, N.Y. L 21-31  Details  
10/24/2009  * Merchant Marine Geneva, N.Y. - Boswell Field W 28-0  Details  
10/31/2009  * at WPI Worcester, Mass. 1 p.m.  Details  
11/7/2009  * Rensselaer Geneva, N.Y. - Boswell Field Noon  Details  
11/14/2009  * at Rochester Rochester, N.Y. Noon  Details  


this is the schedule that you're bragging about? come on dude.  Strength of schedule?...thats fishers arguement right now and rightly so ... not yours my wittle pumpkin

I'll put up 6-1 and Dickinson and 4-3 CMU against any OOC opponent you've scheduled in the last five years.  How about throwing in some gamees against Alfred with 7-8 wins and picking up SJF next year.  You schedule Mt Ida, NEFC schools, so yes, Bart's OOC scheduling is miles ahead of Hartwicks and has been so for as long as I can remember.   

The LL has held up just fine against the E8 this decade and Rochester, SU, Bart, Union, RPI would all beat Wick this year. 

[Yanks 99]

Don't forget the 68 pts given up the week prior to Utica. 

only gave up 30 to Hobart last time they played and scored 31...

You're going to reference 1997, when my 31yr old azz was a SO?  Want to compare records since then?  How about NCAA appearances and NCAA wins?  Get a defense and a real schedule and then we'll talk. 

No actually I want to compare the score of the game that Hobart and Hartwick last played against each other.... i think i was very obvious about that ... and just to remind you... you lost... we won

Yeah I played in that game, and also won against Wick.  It was a useless game becuse they threw literally 50-60 times per game and there was nothing to gain with a win and we were though to have sucked if we lost. 

I forgot that games don't count against teams that throw the ball a lot...or if you don't have anything to gain.  Can we forgot our loss to WNEC a couple of years ago now!!!

See how stupid that sounds?

[Yanks 99]

I'll put up 6-1 and Dickinson and 4-3 CMU against any OOC opponent you've scheduled in the last five years.  How about throwing in some gamees against Alfred with 7-8 wins and picking up SJF next year.  You schedule Mt Ida, NEFC schools, so yes, Bart's OOC scheduling is miles ahead of Hartwicks and has been so for as long as I can remember.   

The LL has held up just fine against the E8 this decade and Rochester, SU, Bart, Union, RPI would all beat Wick this year. 
[/quote]

Why would a 3-4 Rochester, 3-3 Hobart, or 4-2 RPI scare anyone?  Who have they beaten?  I think Union and Sus. would be tough...but you cannot assume that.

[BoSox0322]

Don't forget the 68 pts given up the week prior to Utica. 

only gave up 30 to Hobart last time they played and scored 31...

You're going to reference 1997, when my 31yr old azz was a SO?  Want to compare records since then?  How about NCAA appearances and NCAA wins?  Get a defense and a real schedule and then we'll talk. 

No actually I want to compare the score of the game that Hobart and Hartwick last played against each other.... i think i was very obvious about that ... and just to remind you... you lost... we won

Yeah I played in that game, and also won against Wick.  It was a useless game becuse they threw literally 50-60 times per game and there was nothing to gain with a win and we were though to have sucked if we lost. 

punkin thank you for writing this.... everyone that just read this is now dumber...

All of those teams would beat wick this year huh?  Well my dad is tougher than your dad ... nice arguement with absolutley no foundation