FB: Empire 8

[Yanks 99]

still 70 ucs is lotta beer

You are right...no doubt about it...but OT games tend to get ridiculous in terms of points...no excuse for giving up 49 to UC in regulation...but still a sick game with all that it meant to the Hawks...

[fisheralum91]

agreed

is it happy hour yet?

[Yanks 99]

agreed

is it happy hour yet?

Hell...it is somewhere...

[fisheralum91]

cheers

[pumkinattack]

This three straight years of postseason is an empty concept when it's basically an extra game at the discretion of institutions and only fell into your lap be default.  No 5-4 team should tout a post-season game (probably even if they won an AQ with that record).  And Susquehanna has more history, having made the tournament in the 16 team edition in the early 90's.  On top of that, SUS is going to probably have the offensive player of the year in the league at RB, by far the most efficient QB, probably league rookie of the year (DB J Scott with 6 picks) and the sack leader (Pete Johnson), so I don't get the 2007 Hartwick comparison except that they both had supremely ugly losses. 

I can recall in 1999, at 5-3, we were told before our last game of the season with RPI (undefeated, but turned out to be a somewhat suspect #1 seed in the East playoffs) that if we won, we'd be invited to an ECAC game.  We lost (17 -6 but we were just kind of punchless really) and we were out, but it would've taken 6-3 and a road win over an 8-1 league champion (UAA at the time) to get the invite.  Fact of the matter is that it's nice to have an extra game against a quality opponent, but the ECAC's are not postseason in that it's any kind of reward to the best teams who don't get into the NCAA's like they were with 28 teams or 16 teams. 

For that matter, I personally think Frank is making too much of the value of having the ECAC's at this point in the context of a 32 team tournament with AQ's and potential pool C bids available to one loss teams. 

[lewdogg11]

This three straight years of postseason is an empty concept when it's basically an extra game at the discretion of institutions and only fell into your lap be default.  No 5-4 team should tout a post-season game (probably even if they won an AQ with that record).  And Susquehanna has more history, having made the tournament in the 16 team edition in the early 90's.  On top of that, SUS is going to probably have the offensive player of the year in the league at RB, by far the most efficient QB, probably league rookie of the year (DB J Scott with 6 picks) and the sack leader (Pete Johnson), so I don't get the 2007 Hartwick comparison except that they both had supremely ugly losses. 

I can recall in 1999, at 5-3, we were told before our last game of the season with RPI (undefeated, but turned out to be a somewhat suspect #1 seed in the East playoffs) that if we won, we'd be invited to an ECAC game.  We lost (17 -6 but we were just kind of punchless really) and we were out, but it would've taken 6-3 and a road win over an 8-1 league champion (UAA at the time) to get the invite.  Fact of the matter is that it's nice to have an extra game against a quality opponent, but the ECAC's are not postseason in that it's any kind of reward to the best teams who don't get into the NCAA's like they were with 28 teams or 16 teams. 

For that matter, I personally think Frank is making too much of the value of having the ECAC's at this point in the context of a 32 team tournament with AQ's and potential pool C bids available to one loss teams. 

In 1999 RPI played Rowan...in 2001 they were the 'suspect' 1 seed and hosted and lost to Ithaca.

[dlippiel]

this just in
Fisher to host Cortland at noon Sat ---just got the text

This just in, someone shot President Kennedy...

Viper...like a snake lying in wait...+k (oops.dont have it anymore)

This just in...Ithaca's elitist attitude about the ECAC's was not enough to get them into the LL where they couldve competed year in and year out for league supremacy with RPI, nope, I mean Union, nope, I mean Hobart, Nope, I mean Susquehana....?

As opposed to Fisher, nope, I mean Springfield, nope, I mean Ithaca, nope, I mean Alfred....?

What is the difference?

really....you dont see the difference between AU winning the E8 and Susq. winning the LL?  Pep do you?  

AU has averaged 8 wins a year since 04...

SU has averaged 4 wins a year since 04...

This makes no ****ing difference THIS YEAR. dlip agrees the LL is down this year but feels the E6 wasn't a knight in shinning ****ing armour either. News flash fellas Susquehanna is a "good" team, a team that in the past five seasons would not have won the LL but picked the right seaosn to peak. **** didn't ****ing Wick win the E8 a few years back and give up like like ****in 70 points to Utica Club and lose to ****ing WNEC? Honestly dlip's loyalty will always be with the LL but the E6 comes in a close second. Dlip roots for both leagues teams whenever they play OOC or OOR games.

I would think Wick is a bit further along then Susquehanna at this point...like it or not, we have made a post season game for 3 straight years...this years Susquehanna team is probably a good comparison to the 07 Wick team.  And it was 70 points to Utica in 4 OT's...not at the end of regulation...

Listen dude your talking to dlip here, the same dlip who has had a  man crush on Boltus for a long time now. Getting technical how many times has Wick been to the NCAA's? dlip looked and found only once (could be wrong here)?  Susquehanna has been twice. So literally, unless dlip is wrong, Susquehanna is quite similar to Wick. Actually looking back at the year in question dlip would take a poor loss to Lycoming any ****in day over a poor loss to ****ing WNEC. Also to be honest, dlip does not consider ECAC games true "post season" games. They are seeemingly and extra in region game that serves as a sub-playoff/season closer. Whatever, the bottom line is that the winner of the LL each year is seemingly considered a better and stronger team than Wick any day of the week, and most times, most, considered to be at a very similar level to the winner of the E6. dlip concurs that overall the E6 is a tad stronger but not by much.

[Yanks 99]

This three straight years of postseason is an empty concept when it's basically an extra game at the discretion of institutions and only fell into your lap be default.  No 5-4 team should tout a post-season game (probably even if they won an AQ with that record).  And Susquehanna has more history, having made the tournament in the 16 team edition in the early 90's.  On top of that, SUS is going to probably have the offensive player of the year in the league at RB, by far the most efficient QB, probably league rookie of the year (DB J Scott with 6 picks) and the sack leader (Pete Johnson), so I don't get the 2007 Hartwick comparison except that they both had supremely ugly losses. 

I can recall in 1999, at 5-3, we were told before our last game of the season with RPI (undefeated, but turned out to be a somewhat suspect #1 seed in the East playoffs) that if we won, we'd be invited to an ECAC game.  We lost (17 -6 but we were just kind of punchless really) and we were out, but it would've taken 6-3 and a road win over an 8-1 league champion (UAA at the time) to get the invite.  Fact of the matter is that it's nice to have an extra game against a quality opponent, but the ECAC's are not postseason in that it's any kind of reward to the best teams who don't get into the NCAA's like they were with 28 teams or 16 teams. 

For that matter, I personally think Frank is making too much of the value of having the ECAC's at this point in the context of a 32 team tournament with AQ's and potential pool C bids available to one loss teams. 

I already said we were fortunate to get a bid this year...not touting it...just said it would help recruiting.  I barely got through your rambling 1999 explanation (you know, when most of the current players were about 12 years old)...things were not as concrete then as they are now...but am I correct to assume that in summary that your team would have been WAY better because they would have finished 6-3 (as opposed to a 5-4 Wick team this year) in a punchless league?

Who cares about what teams did in the early 90's or before when comparing them to this year's team...hey did you know that Saint Lawrence made the National Semi-Finals in 1976, when they only took 8 teams in the tournament?  So because of this...SLU has more of a history then Hobart then, I assume...at least by your arguement.

Maybe you should look up the definition of "post season"...one source says it's "a series of games played after the regular season by the top competitors, to determine the league champion or a similar accolade".  So a game after the regular season...is a post-season game.

We got it...you don't like the ECAC's...but don't be pissed at us because Hobart turned it down...

[Yanks 99]

this just in
Fisher to host Cortland at noon Sat ---just got the text

This just in, someone shot President Kennedy...

Viper...like a snake lying in wait...+k (oops.dont have it anymore)

This just in...Ithaca's elitist attitude about the ECAC's was not enough to get them into the LL where they couldve competed year in and year out for league supremacy with RPI, nope, I mean Union, nope, I mean Hobart, Nope, I mean Susquehana....?

As opposed to Fisher, nope, I mean Springfield, nope, I mean Ithaca, nope, I mean Alfred....?

What is the difference?

really....you dont see the difference between AU winning the E8 and Susq. winning the LL?  Pep do you?  

AU has averaged 8 wins a year since 04...

SU has averaged 4 wins a year since 04...

This makes no ****ing difference THIS YEAR. dlip agrees the LL is down this year but feels the E6 wasn't a knight in shinning ****ing armour either. News flash fellas Susquehanna is a "good" team, a team that in the past five seasons would not have won the LL but picked the right seaosn to peak. **** didn't ****ing Wick win the E8 a few years back and give up like like ****in 70 points to Utica Club and lose to ****ing WNEC? Honestly dlip's loyalty will always be with the LL but the E6 comes in a close second. Dlip roots for both leagues teams whenever they play OOC or OOR games.

I would think Wick is a bit further along then Susquehanna at this point...like it or not, we have made a post season game for 3 straight years...this years Susquehanna team is probably a good comparison to the 07 Wick team.  And it was 70 points to Utica in 4 OT's...not at the end of regulation...

Listen dude your talking to dlip here, the same dlip who has had a  man crush on Boltus for a long time now. Getting technical how many times has Wick been to the NCAA's? dlip looked and found only once (could be wrong here)?  Susquehanna has been twice. So literally, unless dlip is wrong, Susquehanna is quite similar to Wick. Actually looking back at the year in question dlip would take a poor loss to Lycoming any ****in day over a poor loss to ****ing WNEC. Also to be honest, dlip does not consider ECAC games true "post season" games. They are seeemingly and extra in region game that serves as a sub-playoff/season closer. Whatever, the bottom line is that the winner of the LL each year is seemingly considered a better and stronger team than Wick any day of the week, and most times, most, considered to be at a very similar level to the winner of the E6. dlip concurs that overall the E6 is a tad stronger but not by much.

Agree to disagree with the Wick-Sus comparisions...I was only referring to recent events.

I never said the ECAC's was great...I have said it before that they are nice...but no one really cares about them that much.  I also said the 09 Sus. team compares favorably to the 07 Wick team.  Both came out of nowhere to take the league title.

And I like the LL...just like you said, I think the E8 is a tad stronger...but not by much...and the top teams in both leagues are pretty much on equal footing.

[union89]

this just in
Fisher to host Cortland at noon Sat ---just got the text

This just in, someone shot President Kennedy...

+1K.

[pumkinattack]

So what does like it or not, Hartwick's been in the postseason for three straight years mean, if not to refer to some kind of accomplishment?  You were clearly bragging about how far your program has come and how SUS is a step behind.  What kind of accomplishment is a 5-4 team going to an optional game?  Right, it's optional and therefor not much of an accomplishment.    

I agree with Dlip here, and that was the point of the story, that the ECAC's are nice, but ultimately don't signify any accomplishment as opposed to 10-20 years ago when a lot of really good teams were left out of the tournament.  As I stated before, it's nice to have an extra game against a quality opponent and I wish I had that opportunity back in my day, but I didn't (though we would've gone had we been invited back then).    

But go ahead and keep rubbing yourself while you think about the great game that you earned here.    

[Yanks 99]

So what does like it or not, Hartwick's been in the postseason for three straight years mean, if not to refer to some kind of accomplishment?  You were clearly bragging about how far your program has come and how SUS is a step behind.  What kind of accomplishment is a 5-4 team going to an optional game?  Right, it's optional and therefor not much of an accomplishment.    

I agree with Dlip here, and that was the point of the story, that the ECAC's are nice, but ultimately don't signify any accomplishment as opposed to 10-20 years ago when a lot of really good teams were left out of the tournament.  As I stated before, it's nice to have an extra game against a quality opponent and I wish I had that opportunity back in my day, but I didn't (though we would've gone had we been invited back then).    

But go ahead and keep rubbing yourself while you think about the great game that you earned here.    

I see that Hobart education hasn't helped you learn to read...I never said it was a "great accomplishment".  I just said it was nice to be able to say to recruits that we have played in the "post season" in 3 straight years.  Nothing more.

Your anger for not making the post season is consuming you.  I suggest finding a girlfriend and laying off the internet porn for a bit...

[JQV]

Also to be honest, dlip does not consider ECAC games true "post season" games. They are seeemingly and extra in region game that serves as a sub-playoff/season closer.

I'll go one further DLip.  ECAC games are pre-season exhibitions that just happen to occur at the end of the season and, for my money, mean about as much as IC's pre-season scrimmage with Cornell.  I think they the only thing that makes them "post-season" is the fact that they happen to occur in November.

[dlippiel]

Also to be honest, dlip does not consider ECAC games true "post season" games. They are seeemingly and extra in region game that serves as a sub-playoff/season closer.

I'll go one further DLip.  ECAC games are pre-season exhibitions that just happen to occur at the end of the season and, for my money, mean about as much as IC's pre-season scrimmage with Cornell.  I think they the only thing that makes them "post-season" is the fact that they happen to occur in November.

Viper, how did IC fare against the Big Red in that scrimmage?

[Yanks 99]

Who cares about what teams did in the early 90's or before when comparing them to this year's team...hey did you know that Saint Lawrence made the National Semi-Finals in 1976, when they only took 8 teams in the tournament?  So because of this...SLU has more of a history then Hobart then, I assume...at least by your arguement.

Well than who gives a **** about what Wick did the past three seasons? This season they did not win their league or go to the NCAA's and Susquehanna won their league title. Dude, dlip roots for Wick a ton, but their overall body of work, in the past, and especially this year, is really not all that good. To suggest that their 07 team is comparable to this years Susquehanna is fair to an extent. Yet, if you consider that 07 team is the only team Wick ever had that could maybe have had a shot at winning the LL ever, than that is not saying  much. No one is saying that Susquehanna is a great team but they are definitely deserving of more respect than they are recieving.

Settle down dlip...when did I ever say Wick was great?  Where?  When?  I said we were comparable to Sus...that is it.  Who is disrespecting Sus.  So...comparing Wick to Sus is somehow disrespecting them?  That is ridiculous.