FB: Empire 8

[WashedUp]

So, not to nitpick, but any in the college or pro ranks since timing rules mean a lot with these things?  By the way, the last game had nine total onside kick attempts.  Just sayin'... :-)

None that I know of, those are the two examples of three consecutive onside kicks being recovered that I know off the top of my head.  Apparently Pulaski Academy onside kicks every time they kickoff and never punts.

[Frank Rossi]

No, there's a third choice.  It's called playing the game in front of you.  Remember that if you're up by 25+, you probably can keep secure several plays in your playbook at that point while perhaps employing pitches, flat passes and screens (the latter two I don't consider real passes, but more running plays based on the proximity to the line at which both start).  If a team so lacks the versatility on offense to be scared enough to think that you're going to throw off the next opponent by throwing in the kitchen sink on video in the final 15 minutes, then I think they might be surprised to hear that it's their last three weeks of video that get sent -- not just the last one.  SJF's quarterback scenario vs. on-video questions are two entirely different stories.

[Frank Rossi]

So, not to nitpick, but any in the college or pro ranks since timing rules mean a lot with these things?  By the way, the last game had nine total onside kick attempts.  Just sayin'... :-)

None that I know of, those are the two examples of three consecutive onside kicks being recovered that I know off the top of my head.  Apparently Pulaski Academy onside kicks every time they kickoff and never punts.

+k for trying, though.  I enjoyed both videos.

[Pat Coleman]

No, there's a third choice.  It's called playing the game in front of you.  Remember that if you're up by 25+, you probably can keep secure several plays in your playbook at that point while perhaps employing pitches, flat passes and screens (the latter two I don't consider real passes, but more running plays based on the proximity to the line at which both start).  If a team so lacks the versatility on offense to be scared enough to think that you're going to throw off the next opponent by throwing in the kitchen sink on video in the final 15 minutes, then I think they might be surprised to hear that it's their last three weeks of video that get sent -- not just the last one.  SJF's quarterback scenario vs. on-video questions are two entirely different stories.

I agree they are different stories but they resulted in the same thing -- extra prep work by the opponent. And SJF got three points out of it, because St. Thomas was slow to adjust to its gaps in the run game in the first quarter.

The 39-yard pass in the final minute of this game was a short pass to a TE that turned into a big gainer. It's not that they were throwing deep. The second-string tight end was just difficult to bring down.

[Frank Rossi]

No, there's a third choice.  It's called playing the game in front of you.  Remember that if you're up by 25+, you probably can keep secure several plays in your playbook at that point while perhaps employing pitches, flat passes and screens (the latter two I don't consider real passes, but more running plays based on the proximity to the line at which both start).  If a team so lacks the versatility on offense to be scared enough to think that you're going to throw off the next opponent by throwing in the kitchen sink on video in the final 15 minutes, then I think they might be surprised to hear that it's their last three weeks of video that get sent -- not just the last one.  SJF's quarterback scenario vs. on-video questions are two entirely different stories.

I agree they are different stories but they resulted in the same thing -- extra prep work by the opponent. And SJF got three points out of it, because St. Thomas was slow to adjust to its gaps in the run game in the first quarter.

The 39-yard pass in the final minute of this game was a short pass to a TE that turned into a big gainer. It's not that they were throwing deep. The second-string tight end was just difficult to bring down.

Note:  I haven't brought up yesterday's game specifically aside from saying the SJF QB scenario and the video question weren't the best of comparable things.  I didn't look back at the play-by-play or watch the quarter that several people have questioned.  I laid out a general logic in college football and stated that my logic and several others' would not change based on depth of season and depth of opponent based on the three things I said (score, clock, intensity of opposing sideline).  Anyone from St. Thomas that thinks I'm picking on them from yesterday is wrong -- I have no idea what specifically happened there after halftime.  It just seems like the camaraderie from the RPI/St. John's game from several years ago is missing from this NY/MN matchup -- which seems sad to me.

[Pat Coleman]

Well, it's two different fan bases. There wasn't a lot of camaraderie in Linfield-Wesley either, but there was in Wesley-UMHB. It happens.

[Ralph Turner]

I was really hoping SJF would give ST and better game and provide a better measuring stick of just how good ST really is.  Based on the two times I've seen them this year, I think they can hang with Whitewater.  They have size, speed and athletecism.  The unknown is how they will react when the team on the other side of the ball matches their size, speed and athletecism.  And how they will react the first time that dliping cannon goes off.

That first sentence in the quote mystifies me a bit... How do we know if it was or wasn't a measuring stick?  Maybe UST IS that good.  Maybe SJF did provide a good matchup (maybe not size, but agility and ability), and UST handled it well.  No team except for maybe a Mount Union, Wesley, UMHB or Linfield would really provide any ability to make comparisons to a forthcoming UWW game -- so using this game as a dipstick for that purpose at all doesn't seem to make much sense to me.  The point of SJF making the playoffs at all was that they were better than Case and Endicott despite W/L numbers.  Everything beyond that first game was gravy and unexpected in a lot of ways.  Every game in the playoffs for both teams provides challenges that you can't ignore -- even in a rout scorewise.

Thanks, Frank.  +1! 

(And thanks to the committee.)

[Ralph Turner]

When's the last time a team converted three onside kicks?  That's why 25 is a key number.

Only a 24 point comeback, but it does have 3 straight onside kicks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHkABO0VwCg

Answer:  17 years ago.  :-)

Thanks for the memories from Texas Stadium.  The hole in the roof provided God some wonderful entertainment that night.

I have seen Plano East Senior High (PESH) and Tyler John Tyler (Earl Campbell's alma mater) play many times.

[Upstate]

No, there's a third choice.  It's called playing the game in front of you.  Remember that if you're up by 25+, you probably can keep secure several plays in your playbook at that point while perhaps employing pitches, flat passes and screens (the latter two I don't consider real passes, but more running plays based on the proximity to the line at which both start).  If a team so lacks the versatility on offense to be scared enough to think that you're going to throw off the next opponent by throwing in the kitchen sink on video in the final 15 minutes, then I think they might be surprised to hear that it's their last three weeks of video that get sent -- not just the last one.  SJF's quarterback scenario vs. on-video questions are two entirely different stories.

I agree they are different stories but they resulted in the same thing -- extra prep work by the opponent. And SJF got three points out of it, because St. Thomas was slow to adjust to its gaps in the run game in the first quarter.

The 39-yard pass in the final minute of this game was a short pass to a TE that turned into a big gainer. It's not that they were throwing deep. The second-string tight end was just difficult to bring down.

Yes because throwing on first down w/ a minute left up by 25 is so beneficial to the team...

[SJFF82]

No, there's a third choice.  It's called playing the game in front of you.  Remember that if you're up by 25+, you probably can keep secure several plays in your playbook at that point while perhaps employing pitches, flat passes and screens (the latter two I don't consider real passes, but more running plays based on the proximity to the line at which both start).  If a team so lacks the versatility on offense to be scared enough to think that you're going to throw off the next opponent by throwing in the kitchen sink on video in the final 15 minutes, then I think they might be surprised to hear that it's their last three weeks of video that get sent -- not just the last one.  SJF's quarterback scenario vs. on-video questions are two entirely different stories.

I agree they are different stories but they resulted in the same thing -- extra prep work by the opponent. And SJF got three points out of it, because St. Thomas was slow to adjust to its gaps in the run game in the first quarter.

The 39-yard pass in the final minute of this game was a short pass to a TE that turned into a big gainer. It's not that they were throwing deep. The second-string tight end was just difficult to bring down.

man, now I like feel even worse about the game...i thought we scored the 3 points because like every time we bothered to like hand the ball off to like Cody Miller he gained like 6 yards....

[AO]

I was really hoping SJF would give ST and better game and provide a better measuring stick of just how good ST really is.  Based on the two times I've seen them this year, I think they can hang with Whitewater.  They have size, speed and athletecism.  The unknown is how they will react when the team on the other side of the ball matches their size, speed and athletecism.  And how they will react the first time that dliping cannon goes off.

That first sentence in the quote mystifies me a bit... How do we know if it was or wasn't a measuring stick?  Maybe UST IS that good.  Maybe SJF did provide a good matchup (maybe not size, but agility and ability), and UST handled it well.  No team except for maybe a Mount Union, Wesley, UMHB or Linfield would really provide any ability to make comparisons to a forthcoming UWW game -- so using this game as a dipstick for that purpose at all doesn't seem to make much sense to me.  The point of SJF making the playoffs at all was that they were better than Case and Endicott despite W/L numbers.  Everything beyond that first game was gravy and unexpected in a lot of ways.  Every game in the playoffs for both teams provides challenges that you can't ignore -- even in a rout scorewise.

Thanks, Frank.  +1! 

(And thanks to the committee.)

but probably not better than Bethel who gave St. Thomas a much better test.  The pool c selections could have been worse with case or endicott, but I'd say there's still room for improvement in a system that takes Illinois College and SJF over Bethel and Wheaton.

[Upstate]

I was really hoping SJF would give ST and better game and provide a better measuring stick of just how good ST really is.  Based on the two times I've seen them this year, I think they can hang with Whitewater.  They have size, speed and athletecism.  The unknown is how they will react when the team on the other side of the ball matches their size, speed and athletecism.  And how they will react the first time that dliping cannon goes off.

That first sentence in the quote mystifies me a bit... How do we know if it was or wasn't a measuring stick?  Maybe UST IS that good.  Maybe SJF did provide a good matchup (maybe not size, but agility and ability), and UST handled it well.  No team except for maybe a Mount Union, Wesley, UMHB or Linfield would really provide any ability to make comparisons to a forthcoming UWW game -- so using this game as a dipstick for that purpose at all doesn't seem to make much sense to me.  The point of SJF making the playoffs at all was that they were better than Case and Endicott despite W/L numbers.  Everything beyond that first game was gravy and unexpected in a lot of ways.  Every game in the playoffs for both teams provides challenges that you can't ignore -- even in a rout scorewise.

Thanks, Frank.  +1! 

(And thanks to the committee.)

but probably not better than Bethel who gave St. Thomas a much better test.  The pool c selections could have been worse with case or endicott, but I'd say there's still room for improvement in a system that takes Illinois College and SJF over Bethel and Wheaton.

Was Bethel playing their 3rd string QB?

[fisheralum91]

I find it rather funny that Fisher folk like me and others get ripped because we  "had sour grapes" about the loss, and yet some of the Miac posters (and some of our own east guys) find a need to continue to push buttons.
Meh
Lacrosse is how far out?

[HScoach]

If the 2011 Bethel Royals weren't any better than the 2010 version, they have no room to talk.  They were one of the worst final four opponents Mount has ever faced.

[Frank Rossi]

If the 2011 Bethel Royals weren't any better than the 2010 version, they have no room to talk.  They were one of the worst final four opponents Mount has ever faced.

Granted, it was 7-0 Bethel after the 1st Quarter... And they knocked out the starting QB (Seaman)... Bethel got hyper-conservative after the initial TD and paid a huge price for it.  That led to a 24-point second quarter by Mount Union.  On paper, though, I'd say 2010 Bethel looked better than 2011 Bethel, even ignoring the W/L numbers.