FB: Empire 8

[Doid23]

Great posts. +K to all

When looking at New York, it is also important to note that all of this is concentrated in Upstate NY (Albany, Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester and areas in between). Roughly 4 hours east to west from Albany to Buffalo, and an hour north to south.  In addition to SJF's list, there is also Hamilton, Utica, Hartwick, SUNY Morrisville, St. Lawrence, as well as D-1AA (I can't get used to FCS) schools Cornell, Colgate, Albany, Marist.

[sjfcards]

Great posts. +K to all

When looking at New York, it is also important to note that all of this is concentrated in Upstate NY (Albany, Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester and areas in between). Roughly 4 hours east to west from Albany to Buffalo, and an hour north to south.  In addition to SJF's list, there is also Hamilton, Utica, Hartwick, SUNY Morrisville, St. Lawrence, as well as D-1AA (I can't get used to FCS) schools Cornell, Colgate, Albany, Marist.

Thanks for adding to the list, and furthering the point. Thinking about it some more, I am wondering if the problem is that the close proximity of the schools causes the recruiters of any one school to stretch their budgets to the max. Taking SJFC as an example, if there are 10 All East Region caliber players in the Rochester area coming out of high school, even if you put a greater than average effort into getting a kid, if that kid is recruited by several or all of the Rochester area schools, you would be doing very well to get 2 or 3 of them. Not being able to count on those extra two or three athletes forces the Fisher coaching staff to go out further to get players (Buffalo, Syracuse, Albany, Down State). If they have to spend that much more of their recruiting budgets to make the overnight/all day trip to to get that out of area kid, that is money that is not spent on the athletes you have the best chance of getting.

If St. Thomas decides they are going to dominate the St. Paul area for DIII recruiting, do they compete with anyone? ( I really don't know). Can they rely on 6,7,8 of those 10 area kids?

[WashedUp]

If St. Thomas decides they are going to dominate the St. Paul area for DIII recruiting, do they compete with anyone? ( I really don't know). Can they rely on 6,7,8 of those 10 area kids?

Not as crowded and the east cost, but there isn't lack of competition in the Twin Cities.  Within a couple hours of the area are UST, Bethel, SJU, Carleton, Macalester, Augsburg, Gustavus, St. Olaf, Hamline, Northwestern, UW-River Falls, UW-Stout, UW-Eau Claire, St. Scholastica, UW-LaCrosse, Martin Luther and Crown College for D3. D2 has Concordia-St. Paul, Mankato St., UMD, Winona St. and St. Cloud St. The 1-AA competition would be North Dakota, NDSU, South Dakota and SDSU.

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[Jonny Utah]

Also a lot of those d3 schools in Ohio (especially Kenyon, Oberlin, Ohio Wesleyn, Wittenberg, CWR, Dennison) are national liberal arts schools where a lot of kids from the northeast will go to.  Very similar to upstate NY private schools that can recruit the midwest and northeast.

Kind of gives a lot of those schools an advantage over the WI or MN schools I would think.

For example, Wittenberg could send a school rep (or football coach) to a college fair in Boston, while St. Thomas or Wisconsin-Whitewater probably could not do the same.

[repete]

Maybe not UST, but Carleton, St. Olaf and Mac were regulars at DC Metro-area fairs when my kid was school shopping, while Gustavus and SJU showed up from time to time. A quick glance at the roster of some of those schools show they cast their nets as wide or wider than the Ohio schools.

Plus the MIAC schools can always lure the Dakotans who want to say "Billy's going out East to school."

It's a tough subject, though because finding the right d3 school is such a complex choice of balancing academics, atmosphere and activities. In a lot of ways, having a sports-only d1 attitude makes it easier.  The  good thing about d3 schools, however, is that even if you don't nail it when you're picking a school you're usually in a pretty good place. 

[Jonny Utah]

Maybe not UST, but Carleton, St. Olaf and Mac were regulars at DC Metro-area fairs when my kid was school shopping, while Gustavus and SJU showed up from time to time. A quick glance at the roster of some of those schools show they cast their nets as wide or wider than the Ohio schools.

Plus the MIAC schools can always lure the Dakotans who want to say "Billy's going out East to school."

It's a tough subject, though because finding the right d3 school is such a complex choice of balancing academics, atmosphere and activities. In a lot of ways, having a sports-only d1 attitude makes it easier.  The  good thing about d3 schools, however, is that even if you don't nail it when you're picking a school you're usually in a pretty good place.

Interesting enough that I went to high school (surburban Boston) with a girl who went to Macalester.

[SUADC]

I am from the DMV Metro area and when I had the opportunity to be recruited, I received letters of interest from four of the final Elite Eight teams in this years playoff (Salisbury, Wesley, St. John Fisher, and Mount Union) and got recruited by two (Salisbury & Wesley). However, I find it funny, when I went to some of the events where I was able to meet college coaches, I met a coach from Kenyon and he told me I was to small for my position and didn't show that much interest. However, I am glad I didn't get go there, not knocking Kenyon, but the four other schools I mentioned are way way better.

[AUKaz00]

Hey guys, I've been MIA since the first round.  Took a nice family trip to Viper-country for Thanksgiving and came home to a desk full of work, flooded basement, and wedding last weekend.  Finally caught up on work and getting everything straightened out with the insurance company.  So, I'll catch up on all the posts when I can, but a hearty congrats to St. John's Fisher for remaining open 2 weeks longer than the initial diagnosis.

[sjfcards]

Hey guys, I've been MIA since the first round.  Took a nice family trip to Viper-country for Thanksgiving and came home to a desk full of work, flooded basement, and wedding last weekend.  Finally caught up on work and getting everything straightened out with the insurance company.  So, I'll catch up on all the posts when I can, but a hearty congrats to St. John's Fisher for remaining open 2 weeks longer than the initial diagnosis.

Welcome back Kaz...whew, you have a lot of reading to do.

[kubiack78]

Not to state the obvious but playing in the last 6 Stagg bowls on ESPN2, ESPNU... has probably been a huge help in recruiting.  They have a lot of kids out of the Chicagoland area and looking at their roster this year they have a player out of Hoover Alabama (Spain Park) 2 out of Florida, one out of Colorado and another out of Alaska.  Would you rather play for a middle of the road DII in MN or a National Champion in WI?  When I played for WW in the late 80's/early 90's Whitewater had made the playoffs in 87, 88 and 90 and the program seemed to be on the way up.  Not sure what happened between then and 2005.

[sjfcards]

Not to state the obvious but playing in the last 6 Stagg bowls on ESPN2, ESPNU... has probably been a huge help in recruiting.  They have a lot of kids out of the Chicagoland area and looking at their roster this year they have a player out of Hoover Alabama (Spain Park) 2 out of Florida, one out of Colorado and another out of Alaska.  Would you rather play for a middle of the road DII in MN or a National Champion in WI?  When I played for WW in the late 80's/early 90's Whitewater had made the playoffs in 87, 88 and 90 and the program seemed to be on the way up.  Not sure what happened between then and 2005.

Yeah UWW and. UMU are in a class of their own when it omes to recruiting. They are much more of a national brand due to their aannual ESPN game.

[BoBo]

Not to state the obvious but playing in the last 6 Stagg bowls on ESPN2, ESPNU... has probably been a huge help in recruiting.  They have a lot of kids out of the Chicagoland area and looking at their roster this year they have a player out of Hoover Alabama (Spain Park) 2 out of Florida, one out of Colorado and another out of Alaska.  Would you rather play for a middle of the road DII in MN or a National Champion in WI?  When I played for WW in the late 80's/early 90's Whitewater had made the playoffs in 87, 88 and 90 and the program seemed to be on the way up.  Not sure what happened between then and 2005.

Possibly something related to Kubiak's graduation!! 
There's a freshman out of Connecticut, in addition to the ones you mentioned.

[pg04]

Interesting there is a commercial or division II during the Mount Union game.  The ESPN/NCAA announcers are already bothering me.

[repete]

Tough to call Duluth middle of the road, despite its quarterfinal exit this year. St. Cloud, which was middle of the road when it played UWW a few years back, has a couple straight trips to the playoffs as well.

[Jonny Utah]

I think I just saw one of the best catches ever in the Montana State/Sam Houston State game.