FB: Empire 8

[AUPepBand]

ECAC has (finally) announced its 2011 Football All-Stars....
http://www.ecacsports.com/news/2011-2012/football_division_three_north_all_stars_2011
Congrats to Saxons Nick Clark, Mike Raplee and Austin Dwyer!!

[AUPepBand]

Pep would like to go on record as questioning the ECAC North selections for Field Goal Specialist. Pep is wondering what factors were used to determine the selections:
FIRST TEAM -- Dylan Rushe (Endicott), 17 field goals (17 of 26 attempts) made .654 of kicks, 1.55 field goals per game
SECOND TEAM --Kennan Startzell (Westfield) 10 field goals (10 of 12 attempts) made .833 of kicks, 1.00 field goal per game

Not Selected:
Chad Monheim (St. John Fisher), made 18 field goals (18 of 27), .667 of kicks, 1.38 field goals per game
Andrew Rogowski (Ithaca), made 13 field goals (13 of 16) made .813 of kicks, 1.44 field goals per game
Eric Rockwood (Alfred), made 12 field goals (12 of 13) made .923 of kicks, 1.09 field goals per game

Rushe clearly has the most field goals per game but not the best percentage. Then the second team selection, one would think, should have the second most field goals per game, but doesn't. And three other kickers had more FGs overall, and one of those had a better field goal percentage and more field goals per game. 

Pep compared E8 kickers here to the selections....not sure but that other conferences (LL) may also have better kickers.

[AUPepBand]

Pep owns the Post Patterns E8 thread......in the off-season, anyway. Pep welcomes visitors!

[Upstate]

A little shake up in the SJF coaching staff is about to take place.

Their offensive Coordinator, Dave Parks, is re-signing and taking a regional director's position with the FCA and will be replaced by former QB Rob Kramer.

The combined age of Fisher's OC & DC are 58 years old.

A youth movement if I ever saw one.

It will be interesting to see if Kramer goes to a more conventional offense that he was very successful or continue with the offense Parks had the past few years.

So Parks is RESIGNING.....not re-signing, correct?

Damn auto correct...

Yes he's resigning...

[fisheralum91]

I love the off season chat!  Lets hope that whatever system Kramer uses, his brother can run and run like a well oiled machine!

[euleria]

Pep would like to go on record as questioning the ECAC North selections for Field Goal Specialist. Pep is wondering what factors were used to determine the selections:
FIRST TEAM -- Dylan Rushe (Endicott), 17 field goals (17 of 26 attempts) made .654 of kicks, 1.55 field goals per game

Rushe hit a 55 yd FG this past season, and so it might be relevant to examine more detailed stats for these kickers -- longest FG, and pct converted at various distances for starters.

[fisheralum91]

really- has this what the board is like during the off season- we are talking about kickers?
kickers?

[Pat Coleman]

Pep would like to go on record as questioning the ECAC North selections for Field Goal Specialist. Pep is wondering what factors were used to determine the selections:
FIRST TEAM -- Dylan Rushe (Endicott), 17 field goals (17 of 26 attempts) made .654 of kicks, 1.55 field goals per game
SECOND TEAM --Kennan Startzell (Westfield) 10 field goals (10 of 12 attempts) made .833 of kicks, 1.00 field goal per game

Not Selected:
Chad Monheim (St. John Fisher), made 18 field goals (18 of 27), .667 of kicks, 1.38 field goals per game
Andrew Rogowski (Ithaca), made 13 field goals (13 of 16) made .813 of kicks, 1.44 field goals per game
Eric Rockwood (Alfred), made 12 field goals (12 of 13) made .923 of kicks, 1.09 field goals per game

Rushe clearly has the most field goals per game but not the best percentage. Then the second team selection, one would think, should have the second most field goals per game, but doesn't. And three other kickers had more FGs overall, and one of those had a better field goal percentage and more field goals per game. 

Pep compared E8 kickers here to the selections....not sure but that other conferences (LL) may also have better kickers.

You didn't mention the length of field goals. That's always what I go to first. I won't vote for a kid, even on a regional team, that hasn't made a field goal longer than the longest one I ever made. (35 yards, thanks for asking. And no, not in a game.)

[Bombers798891]

Pep would like to go on record as questioning the ECAC North selections for Field Goal Specialist. Pep is wondering what factors were used to determine the selections:
FIRST TEAM -- Dylan Rushe (Endicott), 17 field goals (17 of 26 attempts) made .654 of kicks, 1.55 field goals per game
SECOND TEAM --Kennan Startzell (Westfield) 10 field goals (10 of 12 attempts) made .833 of kicks, 1.00 field goal per game

Not Selected:
Chad Monheim (St. John Fisher), made 18 field goals (18 of 27), .667 of kicks, 1.38 field goals per game
Andrew Rogowski (Ithaca), made 13 field goals (13 of 16) made .813 of kicks, 1.44 field goals per game
Eric Rockwood (Alfred), made 12 field goals (12 of 13) made .923 of kicks, 1.09 field goals per game

Rushe clearly has the most field goals per game but not the best percentage. Then the second team selection, one would think, should have the second most field goals per game, but doesn't. And three other kickers had more FGs overall, and one of those had a better field goal percentage and more field goals per game. 

Pep compared E8 kickers here to the selections....not sure but that other conferences (LL) may also have better kickers.

You didn't mention the length of field goals. That's always what I go to first. I won't vote for a kid, even on a regional team, that hasn't made a field goal longer than the longest one I ever made. (35 yards, thanks for asking. And no, not in a game.)

The avg length of made FGs

Rushe = 33.3 yards
Monheim = 32.2
Rogowski = 32.0
Rockwood = 29.6
Starzell = 26.8

Pep is right. Rogowski and Monheim absolutely got screwed.

Starzell made only four kicks over 30 yards, none over 35. His long was 34

Rogowski made NINE kicks over 30 yards, five over 35, and two over 40. His long was 43

Monheim made 10 kicks over 30 yards, six over 35, and four over 40. His long was 45

I'm not usually a Bomber shill, but that's not even close. Starzell rarely got asked to make even moderately long kicks. Monheim and Rogowski did. Monheim missed more yes, but Rogowski's percentage was nearly identical, and the lengths of his kicks were much higher. Either one of them was more deserving than Starzell. The average made kick was 5 yards longer by these two kickers, not an insignificant difference.

[Bombers798891]

Random side thought:

D-III teams kick too many field goals. Take Starzell. Six of his kicks came with the ball at the 10 yard line or closer. I don't know what the distance for a first was on those kicks, but man, I would think a team might be better off going for it. Suppose Westfield goes for it on all those. A 50% conversion rate gives them 21 points, three points better than they got on the kicks.

And even if you don't get it, think long term. If you pin your opponent inside the five, you've got a shot at a safety (Ithaca did this against Utica) and if you force a punt quickly, you've got a good chance of starting in plus territory.

Personally, unless it were a situation where a team absolutely needs three points (down 14-13 with a minute to go, for example) I'd go for it a lot more.

[Bombers798891]

You didn't mention the length of field goals. That's always what I go to first. I won't vote for a kid, even on a regional team, that hasn't made a field goal longer than the longest one I ever made. (35 yards, thanks for asking. And no, not in a game.)

So you wouldn't have voted for Starzell either, huh? 

35 yards is impressive however

[AUPepBand]

Pat's got Pep beat....Pep once hit a 28-yard field goal on the Jericho Hill field...uncontested, of course. Hasn't kicked any since but hey, perhaps Pep will hit the weights this spring and see if he can't step in to replace the graduating four-year starting K Rockwood next year. Pep's got to get his kicks somehow!

Rockwood was 8-for-8 at 20-29, 2-for-2 at 30-39, and 2-for-3 over 40, with his longest a 42-yarder.

On Saxon Warriors!

[Pat Coleman]

You didn't mention the length of field goals. That's always what I go to first. I won't vote for a kid, even on a regional team, that hasn't made a field goal longer than the longest one I ever made. (35 yards, thanks for asking. And no, not in a game.)

So you wouldn't have voted for Starzell either, huh? 

35 yards is impressive however

Our three All-East Region kickers were Rushe, Long Ding of Norwich and Jake Delvento of Montclair State. Not sure why Long Ding was passed over by the ECAC, and Delvento probably would not have been in the ECAC North.

[Bombers798891]

You didn't mention the length of field goals. That's always what I go to first. I won't vote for a kid, even on a regional team, that hasn't made a field goal longer than the longest one I ever made. (35 yards, thanks for asking. And no, not in a game.)

So you wouldn't have voted for Starzell either, huh? 

35 yards is impressive however

Our three All-East Region kickers were Rushe, Long Ding of Norwich and Jake Delvento of Montclair State. Not sure why Long Ding was passed over by the ECAC, and Delvento probably would not have been in the ECAC North.

Ding absolutely was a better choice and it's mind boggling he wasn't picked. Delvento no way over Rogowski. 14-of-22 vs. 13-of-15? Delvento was 8-of-15 from beyond 30 yards. Rogowski was 9-of-10. What's the point of having slightly more range if you can't hit the kicks nearly as consistently?

[fisheralum91]

The Fisher special teams coach ( dont remember his name as it was 20+ years ago) would scout our soccer practice looking for kickers.
A few of us nailed some long ones- no pads no pressure mind you...We goalies faired a bit better as we were used to booting goal kicks for distance and accuracy.....Tho the football team was as bad as the soccer team so there was no real advantage to switching!