FB: Empire 8

[Bombers798891]

Coach,
I defer to Bengalsrule on this, but from an E8 view, many of us felt that BUff St. would be on the incline and finish 3rd or 4th in the division.  Now that they have shocked the world, they look to be real contenders for the E8.  I just cant figure out the Brockport game.

I think that a lot of it depends on Brockport.  If Brockport runs the table in the NJAC (or at least wins the NJAC), and Buff State loses one E8 game (say close close to Salisbury or Fisher, while winning one of those two game)...I think they would almost have to get a Pool C bid.

A lot of it would have to depend on some of the other tougher leagues...but if Buff State finishes 8-2, with a win over UWW and two losses to "current" Top 25 teams...I think they get in.

That would put Buff St. at two losses, however.  They would certainly be at the front of the two-loss team discussion, but it will really depend on the number of one-loss runners up that exist and their quality.  Buff St. might jump in front of some of them, but we can't really evaluate this in a vacuum with any level of certainty.

I agree...it isn't a certainty...I just think that they would get in if the circumstances were right (like Fisher last year).  Also, that is why I said "A lot of it would have to depend on some of the other tougher leagues".

After Ithaca steamrolls them on the way to 10-0, this will all be moot

[HScoach]

Here's an interesting scenario to ponder for this November. 

Whitewater loses gain in conference and falls into Pool C consideration.  SJF goes 10-0 and narrowly beats Buff St which dumps them into Pool C too.  Now it obviously depends on the overall nation, but historically Pool C has been almost always 9-1 teams only.  And when an 8-2 makes it, it's quite a shock.  What are odds that Pool C includes two 8-2 teams?  Whitewater has the street cred, but Buffy has the win.   

[Jonny Utah]

Here's an interesting scenario to ponder for this November. 

Whitewater loses gain in conference and falls into Pool C consideration.  SJF goes 10-0 and narrowly beats Buff St which dumps them into Pool C too.  Now it obviously depends on the overall nation, but historically Pool C has been almost always 9-1 teams only.  And when an 8-2 makes it, it's quite a shock.  What are odds that Pool C includes two 8-2 teams?  Whitewater has the street cred, but Buffy has the win.

A few multi-loss E8 teams have gotten pool c bids in recent years I believe.  I would suspect the WIAC could also get one.

[bleedpurple]

Here's an interesting scenario to ponder for this November. 

Whitewater loses gain in conference and falls into Pool C consideration.  SJF goes 10-0 and narrowly beats Buff St which dumps them into Pool C too.  Now it obviously depends on the overall nation, but historically Pool C has been almost always 9-1 teams only.  And when an 8-2 makes it, it's quite a shock.  What are odds that Pool C includes two 8-2 teams?  Whitewater has the street cred, but Buffy has the win.

Yikes!  I know we are on the E-8 board, but geez HSCoach.  Here we UWW fans are trying to process ONE loss and now you hang another one on us to contemplate? Nobody should have to do that, at least until the next Saturday!!  C'mon man!   

If that happens, it would be a nightmare scenario for the committee.  If they can't find a way to get them both in, they are eliminating either the 3 time defending champion or the team that beat them.  And whichever one was left out would be a team that had a very good season and would probably beat 3/4 of the field.  UWW and the Bengals just need to take care of business and not let it come down to that!

[Upstate]

Here's an interesting scenario to ponder for this November. 

Whitewater loses gain in conference and falls into Pool C consideration.  SJF goes 10-0 and narrowly beats Buff St which dumps them into Pool C too.  Now it obviously depends on the overall nation, but historically Pool C has been almost always 9-1 teams only.  And when an 8-2 makes it, it's quite a shock.  What are odds that Pool C includes two 8-2 teams?  Whitewater has the street cred, but Buffy has the win.

Yikes!  I know we are on the E-8 board, but geez HSCoach.  Here we UWW fans are trying to process ONE loss and now you hang another one on us to contemplate? Nobody should have to do that, at least until the next Saturday!!  C'mon man!   

If that happens, it would be a nightmare scenario for the committee.  If they can't find a way to get them both in, they are eliminating either the 3 time defending champion or the team that beat them.  And whichever one was left out would be a team that had a very good season and would probably beat 3/4 of the field.  UWW and the Bengals just need to take care of business and not let it come down to that!

Listen, I love that you guys from other regions are on here and having quality football conversations but this needs to stop...

NOW...

Over here in our neck of the woods, it's SatErday...

This is a warning, next infraction Nick Gatto comes to your house and personally gives you a lesson in spelling...

[Frank Rossi]

Here's an interesting scenario to ponder for this November. 

Whitewater loses gain in conference and falls into Pool C consideration.  SJF goes 10-0 and narrowly beats Buff St which dumps them into Pool C too.  Now it obviously depends on the overall nation, but historically Pool C has been almost always 9-1 teams only.  And when an 8-2 makes it, it's quite a shock.  What are odds that Pool C includes two 8-2 teams?  Whitewater has the street cred, but Buffy has the win.

Yikes!  I know we are on the E-8 board, but geez HSCoach.  Here we UWW fans are trying to process ONE loss and now you hang another one on us to contemplate? Nobody should have to do that, at least until the next Saturday!!  C'mon man!   

If that happens, it would be a nightmare scenario for the committee.  If they can't find a way to get them both in, they are eliminating either the 3 time defending champion or the team that beat them.  And whichever one was left out would be a team that had a very good season and would probably beat 3/4 of the field.  UWW and the Bengals just need to take care of business and not let it come down to that!

Historical playoff experience only applies as a criterion for undefeated teams.

[HScoach]

Here's an interesting scenario to ponder for this November. 

Whitewater loses gain in conference and falls into Pool C consideration.  SJF goes 10-0 and narrowly beats Buff St which dumps them into Pool C too.  Now it obviously depends on the overall nation, but historically Pool C has been almost always 9-1 teams only.  And when an 8-2 makes it, it's quite a shock.  What are odds that Pool C includes two 8-2 teams?  Whitewater has the street cred, but Buffy has the win.

Yikes!  I know we are on the E-8 board, but geez HSCoach.  Here we UWW fans are trying to process ONE loss and now you hang another one on us to contemplate? Nobody should have to do that, at least until the next Saturday!!  C'mon man!   

If that happens, it would be a nightmare scenario for the committee.  If they can't find a way to get them both in, they are eliminating either the 3 time defending champion or the team that beat them.  And whichever one was left out would be a team that had a very good season and would probably beat 3/4 of the field.  UWW and the Bengals just need to take care of business and not let it come down to that!

Loss #2?   Could be wishful thinking

[SUADC]

Here's an interesting scenario to ponder for this November. 

Whitewater loses gain in conference and falls into Pool C consideration.  SJF goes 10-0 and narrowly beats Buff St which dumps them into Pool C too.  Now it obviously depends on the overall nation, but historically Pool C has been almost always 9-1 teams only.  And when an 8-2 makes it, it's quite a shock.  What are odds that Pool C includes two 8-2 teams?  Whitewater has the street cred, but Buffy has the win.

I believe from and E-8 position, if there is a three-way tie between Salisbury, St. John Fisher, and Buffalo State. I believe that leaves St. John Fisher with the better overall record and leaving the committee (if there is space) to choose between Buffalo State and Salisbury. I think that even if Salisbury beats Buffalo State, Buff St. would get the nod, because of the win against UWW, especially if Brockport runs the table and go undefeated. As far as other regions getting thrown in and with the twist of 'Pool B,' the committee may have a lot to ponder, think, and consider.

Or maybe, Salisbury runs the table in the E8 and goes 9-1, St. John Fisher goes 8-2, and Buff St. goes 8-2. Does the E8 get three teams?

[Upstate]

Here's an interesting scenario to ponder for this November. 

Whitewater loses gain in conference and falls into Pool C consideration.  SJF goes 10-0 and narrowly beats Buff St which dumps them into Pool C too.  Now it obviously depends on the overall nation, but historically Pool C has been almost always 9-1 teams only.  And when an 8-2 makes it, it's quite a shock.  What are odds that Pool C includes two 8-2 teams?  Whitewater has the street cred, but Buffy has the win.

I believe from and E-8 position, if there is a three-way tie between Salisbury, St. John Fisher, and Buffalo State. I believe that leaves St. John Fisher with the better overall record and leaving the committee (if there is space) to choose between Buffalo State and Salisbury. I think that even if Salisbury beats Buffalo State, Buff St. would get the nod, because of the win against UWW, especially if Brockport runs the table and go undefeated. As far as other regions getting thrown in and with the twist of 'Pool B,' the committee may have a lot to ponder, think, and consider.

Or maybe, Salisbury runs the table in the E8 and goes 9-1, St. John Fisher goes 8-2, and Buff St. goes 8-2. Does the E8 get three teams?

They've gotten 3 into the dance before but I think it was Wick/SJF at 9-1 and IC at 8-2.  Don't know if two 8-2 teams get in from the same conference.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Historically, it is fairly rare for even one 2-loss team to get in.  I'm pretty sure that 2 from the same conference would be unprecedented.

[bleedpurple]

Here's an interesting scenario to ponder for this November. 

Whitewater loses gain in conference and falls into Pool C consideration.  SJF goes 10-0 and narrowly beats Buff St which dumps them into Pool C too.  Now it obviously depends on the overall nation, but historically Pool C has been almost always 9-1 teams only.  And when an 8-2 makes it, it's quite a shock.  What are odds that Pool C includes two 8-2 teams?  Whitewater has the street cred, but Buffy has the win.

Yikes!  I know we are on the E-8 board, but geez HSCoach.  Here we UWW fans are trying to process ONE loss and now you hang another one on us to contemplate? Nobody should have to do that, at least until the next Saturday!!  C'mon man!   

If that happens, it would be a nightmare scenario for the committee.  If they can't find a way to get them both in, they are eliminating either the 3 time defending champion or the team that beat them.  And whichever one was left out would be a team that had a very good season and would probably beat 3/4 of the field.  UWW and the Bengals just need to take care of business and not let it come down to that!

Historical playoff experience only applies as a criterion for undefeated teams.

OK. Let me rephrase that. it would be a nightmare scenario for ME! 

Can't wait til SatErday! 

[Pat Coleman]

Here's an interesting scenario to ponder for this November. 

Whitewater loses gain in conference and falls into Pool C consideration.  SJF goes 10-0 and narrowly beats Buff St which dumps them into Pool C too.  Now it obviously depends on the overall nation, but historically Pool C has been almost always 9-1 teams only.  And when an 8-2 makes it, it's quite a shock.  What are odds that Pool C includes two 8-2 teams?  Whitewater has the street cred, but Buffy has the win.

A few multi-loss E8 teams have gotten pool c bids in recent years I believe.  I would suspect the WIAC could also get one.

Historically, it is fairly rare for even one 2-loss team to get in.  I'm pretty sure that 2 from the same conference would be unprecedented.

Happened in the E8 in 2007.

[Ralph Turner]

Here's an interesting scenario to ponder for this November. 

Whitewater loses gain in conference and falls into Pool C consideration.  SJF goes 10-0 and narrowly beats Buff St which dumps them into Pool C too.  Now it obviously depends on the overall nation, but historically Pool C has been almost always 9-1 teams only.  And when an 8-2 makes it, it's quite a shock.  What are odds that Pool C includes two 8-2 teams?  Whitewater has the street cred, but Buffy has the win.

A few multi-loss E8 teams have gotten pool c bids in recent years I believe.  I would suspect the WIAC could also get one.

Historically, it is fairly rare for even one 2-loss team to get in.  I'm pretty sure that 2 from the same conference would be unprecedented.

Happened in the E8 in 2007.

Yeah, East Coast Bias!   LOL

[sjfcards]

Are any other Fisher fans scared of this weekend against Hartwick? I feel ridiculous but Hartwick has me spooked for some reason. They can certainly score...Come on Fisher fans, make me feel better about this one?

[Cardinal Pride]

Are any other Fisher fans scared of this weekend against Hartwick? I feel ridiculous but Hartwick has me spooked for some reason. They can certainly score...Come on Fisher fans, make me feel better about this one?

Sorry, but untill the offense starts moving the ball and scoring consistantly every game has me scared.  The Cards cannot count on a defensive score each week.