FB: Empire 8

[dlippiel]

Interesting all the playoff talk assumes AU and SJF win out.
Any thoughts on UC keeping Raplee and company out of the pocket long enough for
Benkwitt to put up 300+ and 4-5 td's? 
I know UC won't be able to run on them...

I like UC's offense a lot but their D is kind of suspect...

They allowed an average of 44 points to Bart, Ithaca and Buff State...

They'll need to get in a hell of a lot of shoot outs to pull off some upsets in the next three weeks...

If Utica had a D they would be a top 25 team...easily.

[Bengalsrule]

FWIW... My beloved BENGALS have thier Homecoming game tommorrow vs. Hartwick. At 4-4 ( 2-3 in E8), and with 2 games left, they have a shot thier first winning season in....years (at least 2007).

I wish I could be there tommorrow but I'll be at St. John Fisher enjoying another sport!  Here's to a good game and, hopefully, an even better finish!

Go BENGALS!!!

[sjfcards]

I really hope Fisher shows up today and plays a complete game. I just have not liked this Fisher team from the start of the season, for whatever reason. I think that Fisher has another loss or two in them, but am hoping that they can make me feel a little better today.

Any word on the QB (or lack of) situation this week? (sorry if this has been discussed previously, no time to go back and read all of the posts)

[SUADC]

Good Game by Ithaca today, they played well. That was a decent punt return that the kid had in the 1st half...Salisbury played well in the second half after adjusting to the elements. Hats off to this Ithaca team...Lets get the W next week Seagulls.

[sjfcards]

Good Game by Ithaca today, they played well. That was a decent punt return that the kid had in the 1st half...Salisbury played well in the second half after adjusting to the elements. Hats off to this Ithaca team...Lets get the W next week Seagulls.

A really fun game to watch from SU and IC today. really impressed by what IC was able to do to SU today. SU battled back, but I think IC was the better team today. Really good game to watch.

[pg04]

With Salisbury's loss, I'm trying to figure out the scenarios for winning the conference.

Here are the current standings (With FIsher and IC wins):

Salisbury   4-1   
Utica     3-1   
Alfred   3-1   
St. John Fisher   3-2   
Ithaca   3-3   
Buffalo State   2-3   
Frostburg State   1-5   
Hartwick   0-4   

The ones in Bold are "in contention"


Salisbury: Beat Utica and they are the champions. If they lose to Utica and Utica wins today, they are out of contention (Unless there is a 4 way 2-loss tie scenario, but my brain is exploding trying to think if this is possible)
Utica: Win remaining 3 games. Any loss effectively eliminates them to the team they lost to.
Alfred: Salisbury loses one more game and AU wins out
St. John Fisher: Win last 2 games, Alfred loses 2 of last 3, Salisbury loses last 2 games (Seems almost impossible).

Please add to this as I'm sure I've missed something.

[mattvsmith]

Buff state beat UW-W and is about to lose to Hartwick?

What's up with that?

[pg04]

Buff state beat UW-W and is about to lose to Hartwick?

What's up with that?

I think it's a combo of two things: UW-W is "down" this year ("down" in comparison to national championship). But even then it seems like it has been more that Buffalo State put all of its season into that one game. Since, they have really not showed anything impressive. Their Stagg Bowl occurred in Week 3.

[sjfcards]

With Salisbury's loss, I'm trying to figure out the scenarios for winning the conference.

Here are the current standings (With FIsher and IC wins):

Salisbury   4-1   
Utica     3-1   
Alfred   3-1   
St. John Fisher   3-2   
Ithaca   3-3   
Buffalo State   2-3   
Frostburg State   1-5   
Hartwick   0-4   

The ones in Bold are "in contention"


Salisbury: Beat Utica and they are the champions. If they lose to Utica and Utica wins today, they are out of contention (Unless there is a 4 way 2-loss tie scenario, but my brain is exploding trying to think if this is possible)
Utica: Win remaining 3 games. Any loss effectively eliminates them to the team they lost to.
Alfred: Salisbury loses one more game and AU wins out
St. John Fisher: Win last 2 games, Alfred loses 2 of last 3, Salisbury loses last 2 games (Seems almost impossible).

Please add to this as I'm sure I've missed something.

What happens if Utica beats SU and AU, and losses to Fisher. Does that leave 4 teams at 4-2 in the conference? What would happen then?

[sjfcards]

With Salisbury's loss, I'm trying to figure out the scenarios for winning the conference.

Here are the current standings (With FIsher and IC wins):

Salisbury   4-1   
Utica     3-1   
Alfred   3-1   
St. John Fisher   3-2   
Ithaca   3-3   
Buffalo State   2-3   
Frostburg State   1-5   
Hartwick   0-4   

The ones in Bold are "in contention"


Salisbury: Beat Utica and they are the champions. If they lose to Utica and Utica wins today, they are out of contention (Unless there is a 4 way 2-loss tie scenario, but my brain is exploding trying to think if this is possible)
Utica: Win remaining 3 games. Any loss effectively eliminates them to the team they lost to.
Alfred: Salisbury loses one more game and AU wins out
St. John Fisher: Win last 2 games, Alfred loses 2 of last 3, Salisbury loses last 2 games (Seems almost impossible).

Please add to this as I'm sure I've missed something.

What happens if Utica beats SU and AU, and losses to Fisher. Does that leave 4 teams at 4-2 in the conference? What would happen then?

Sorry, 5-2.

[pg04]

With Salisbury's loss, I'm trying to figure out the scenarios for winning the conference.

Here are the current standings (With FIsher and IC wins):

Salisbury   4-1   
Utica     3-1   
Alfred   3-1   
St. John Fisher   3-2   
Ithaca   3-3   
Buffalo State   2-3   
Frostburg State   1-5   
Hartwick   0-4   

The ones in Bold are "in contention"


Salisbury: Beat Utica and they are the champions. If they lose to Utica and Utica wins today, they are out of contention (Unless there is a 4 way 2-loss tie scenario, but my brain is exploding trying to think if this is possible)
Utica: Win remaining 3 games. Any loss effectively eliminates them to the team they lost to.
Alfred: Salisbury loses one more game and AU wins out
St. John Fisher: Win last 2 games, Alfred loses 2 of last 3, Salisbury loses last 2 games (Seems almost impossible).

Please add to this as I'm sure I've missed something.

What happens if Utica beats SU and AU, and losses to Fisher. Does that leave 4 teams at 4-2 in the conference? What would happen then?

I just edited my post to mention that under Salisbury. I have no idea. It seems as though because Salisbury would be 2-1 against the 3 other teams, Utica 2-1, Fisher 1-2 and Alfred 1-2, it would go to the winner of the Utica-Salisbury game, which would be Utica. But I could just be making this tiebreaker up.

[sjfcards]

With Salisbury's loss, I'm trying to figure out the scenarios for winning the conference.

Here are the current standings (With FIsher and IC wins):

Salisbury   4-1   
Utica     3-1   
Alfred   3-1   
St. John Fisher   3-2   
Ithaca   3-3   
Buffalo State   2-3   
Frostburg State   1-5   
Hartwick   0-4   

The ones in Bold are "in contention"


Salisbury: Beat Utica and they are the champions. If they lose to Utica and Utica wins today, they are out of contention (Unless there is a 4 way 2-loss tie scenario, but my brain is exploding trying to think if this is possible)
Utica: Win remaining 3 games. Any loss effectively eliminates them to the team they lost to.
Alfred: Salisbury loses one more game and AU wins out
St. John Fisher: Win last 2 games, Alfred loses 2 of last 3, Salisbury loses last 2 games (Seems almost impossible).

Please add to this as I'm sure I've missed something.

What happens if Utica beats SU and AU, and losses to Fisher. Does that leave 4 teams at 4-2 in the conference? What would happen then?

I just edited my post to mention that under Salisbury. I have no idea. It seems as though because Salisbury would be 2-1 against the 3 other teams, Utica 2-1, Fisher 1-2 and Alfred 1-2, it would go to the winner of the Utica-Salisbury game, which would be Utica. But I could just be making this tiebreaker up.

I think that would make the most sense, but I don't know what the tiebreaker is. SOS would probably go to Fisher (I think the Fisher broadcast today mentioned that only Buff State is ahead of Fisher in the E8 for strenth of schedule, but having lost to 2 of the 3 teams involved, it doesn't seem right that they would get the bid.

[boobyhasgameyo]

With Salisbury's loss, I'm trying to figure out the scenarios for winning the conference.

Here are the current standings (With FIsher and IC wins):

Salisbury   4-1   
Utica     3-1   
Alfred   3-1   
St. John Fisher   3-2   
Ithaca   3-3   
Buffalo State   2-3   
Frostburg State   1-5   
Hartwick   0-4   

The ones in Bold are "in contention"


Salisbury: Beat Utica and they are the champions. If they lose to Utica and Utica wins today, they are out of contention (Unless there is a 4 way 2-loss tie scenario, but my brain is exploding trying to think if this is possible)
Utica: Win remaining 3 games. Any loss effectively eliminates them to the team they lost to.
Alfred: Salisbury loses one more game and AU wins out
St. John Fisher: Win last 2 games, Alfred loses 2 of last 3, Salisbury loses last 2 games (Seems almost impossible).

Please add to this as I'm sure I've missed something.

What happens if Utica beats SU and AU, and losses to Fisher. Does that leave 4 teams at 4-2 in the conference? What would happen then?

I just edited my post to mention that under Salisbury. I have no idea. It seems as though because Salisbury would be 2-1 against the 3 other teams, Utica 2-1, Fisher 1-2 and Alfred 1-2, it would go to the winner of the Utica-Salisbury game, which would be Utica. But I could just be making this tiebreaker up.

In a crazy scenario in which Utica beat Salisbury next week, Utica wins against Alfred today, and Utica loses against Fisher.  That would leave Fisher, Alfred, Salisbury, and Utica all with 2 in conference losses.  I cannot remember the tie-breaking scenarios involved there but I'd think it can't help Alfred, Salisbury and Utica that under this unlikely scenario they'd all have an additional 3rd loss. 

[sjfcards]

I am sure I am going to get beat up for this, but I can't figure out why Fisher is not playing Fenti at QB. I understand the sentiment that when Fisher needed him in a big moment he made some mistakes, but for me the the Salisbury game was the best offensive game Fisher has had all year. The fumble after the stop on 4th and goal from Fisher was a bad play but was a botched handoff, so some of the blame, at least a little of it, has to be on the running back. The int was a good throw under pressure where there was contact, and a receiver fell down. I don't put that on Fenti at all.

Against the best team Fisher has played, Fenti moved the ball consistently, and was in a position to win late with Fenti playing most of the game. Against everyone else, they have been really ineffective on offense.

[Upstate]

The team with the highest wining percentage in conference play will be
named the Empire 8 Champion and will earn the conference's automatic qualifier to the NCAA Tournament. In the event of a tie, all tied teams will be named co or tri- champions and all schools will receive an Empire 8 Champion crystal. The following criteria will be used to determine the E8's NCAA automatic qualifier:
(If a tie exists among three or more teams and one of the tied teams is eliminated by this process, the process will begin anew at No. 1 of the tie-breaking criteria among the remaining tied teams).
1. Head-to-Head results.
2. Results vs. lowest ranked conference teams (6th, 5th, etc) based on final season standings.
3. Results versus common non-league opponents (All teams must have played the same opponent).
4. Fewest overall losses (Minimum of 9 games).
5. The team's overall strength of schedule (as determined by the NCAA Overall OWP, opponents' winning percentage; not OOWP, the opponents' opponents' winning percentage).