FB: Empire 8

[pg04]

I am sure I am going to get beat up for this, but I can't figure out why Fisher is not playing Fenti at QB.

You and FA91 like getting beat up apparently! FA91 said the exact opposite earlier in the week and said he would get beaten up for it  . I have watched many of their games and to give my opinion, I don't think Kramer is the answer (as an unbiased observer). Unfortunately I'm not sure Fenti is either.

[pg04]

The team with the highest wining percentage in conference play will be
named the Empire 8 Champion and will earn the conference's automatic qualifier to the NCAA Tournament. In the event of a tie, all tied teams will be named co or tri- champions and all schools will receive an Empire 8 Champion crystal. The following criteria will be used to determine the E8's NCAA automatic qualifier:
(If a tie exists among three or more teams and one of the tied teams is eliminated by this process, the process will begin anew at No. 1 of the tie-breaking criteria among the remaining tied teams).
1. Head-to-Head results.
2. Results vs. lowest ranked conference teams (6th, 5th, etc) based on final season standings.
3. Results versus common non-league opponents (All teams must have played the same opponent).
4. Fewest overall losses (Minimum of 9 games).
5. The team's overall strength of schedule (as determined by the NCAA Overall OWP, opponents' winning percentage; not OOWP, the opponents' opponents' winning percentage).

So it seems like my scenario is the one that would play out, using the head to head 2-1 teams and then using their head to head to come up with Utica as the champs.

[SJFF82]

Just read the fine print of Salisbury's 'admission' papers into E8 conference....papers state they remain a member of conference so long as they remain undefeated in conference.  So with today's loss, they are out.  That leaves Utica as 1st place in conference right now. Utica loses last 2 to Salisbury and Fisher, but Salisbury is now an OOC loss for everyone so really everyone who lost to Salisbury its now an OOC loss, so with a Fisher win over Utica in week 10 and AU losing its last 2 to Hartwick and Frostburg, SJF wins conference outright and......

ITHACA STILL SUCKS

[Bengalsrule]

Buff state beat UW-W and is about to lose to Hartwick?

What's up with that?

I think it's a combo of two things: UW-W is "down" this year ("down" in comparison to national championship). But even then it seems like it has been more that Buffalo State put all of its season into that one game. Since, they have really not showed anything impressive. Their Stagg Bowl occurred in Week 3.

FWIW..... Buffalo State wins 27-24 over Hartwick. "About to lose to Hartwick" and me betting $10.00 on the Bills to win the Super Bowl last week while in Vegas. Both are wishfull thinking, (although my bet is still alive, while Hartwicks desire to win today is not).

Go BENGALS!!!

[pg04]

Buff state beat UW-W and is about to lose to Hartwick?

What's up with that?

I think it's a combo of two things: UW-W is "down" this year ("down" in comparison to national championship). But even then it seems like it has been more that Buffalo State put all of its season into that one game. Since, they have really not showed anything impressive. Their Stagg Bowl occurred in Week 3.

FWIW..... Buffalo State wins 27-24 over Hartwick. "About to lose to Hartwick" and me betting $10.00 on the Bills to win the Super Bowl last week while in Vegas. Both are wishfull thinking, (although my bet is still alive, while Hartwicks desire to win today is not).

Go BENGALS!!!

Barely beating Hartwick is only minimally better than losing to them .

[fisheralum91]

I gotta say, when I made plans to meet a bunch of great friends at the UC game on the 10th, I really gave the actual game little thought.
It was all about the tailgating, fun and a few laughs.
Now I actually have to pay attention to the game too?
Shame on you Blaise....Shame

[Upstate]

Just read the fine print of Salisbury's 'admission' papers into E8 conference....papers state they remain a member of conference so long as they remain undefeated in conference.  So with today's loss, they are out.  That leaves Utica as 1st place in conference right now. Utica loses last 2 to Salisbury and Fisher, but Salisbury is now an OOC loss for everyone so really everyone who lost to Salisbury its now an OOC loss, so with a Fisher win over Utica in week 10 and AU losing its last 2 to Hartwick and Frostburg, SJF wins conference outright and......

ITHACA STILL SUCKS

Sounds good to me...

On a serious note, anyone out there know how long SU and Frostburgh St ate going to stick around???

Brockport coming in they will have 9 members next year, Fisher will have their PAC match ups again and then immediately start conference play. Sucks that they don't have a cupcake (yes I'm looking at you UofR) before they start E8 play...

[Bombers798891]

Just read the fine print of Salisbury's 'admission' papers into E8 conference....papers state they remain a member of conference so long as they remain undefeated in conference.  So with today's loss, they are out.  That leaves Utica as 1st place in conference right now. Utica loses last 2 to Salisbury and Fisher, but Salisbury is now an OOC loss for everyone so really everyone who lost to Salisbury its now an OOC loss, so with a Fisher win over Utica in week 10 and AU losing its last 2 to Hartwick and Frostburg, SJF wins conference outright and......

ITHACA STILL SUCKS

Sounds good to me...

On a serious note, anyone out there know how long SU and Frostburgh St ate going to stick around???

Brockport coming in they will have 9 members next year, Fisher will have their PAC match ups again and then immediately start conference play. Sucks that they don't have a cupcake (yes I'm looking at you UofR) before they start E8 play...

I hope the conference doesn't go to 9 teams. I really like seeing different teams each season, and with IC having Cortland each year, the schedule would get really monotonous. It's interesting getting teams like St. Lawrence and Union to come in. I'm also intrigued as to what the effect might be on recruiting. Ithaca, for example, frequently schedules teams in PA, which is a heavy recruiting area for them. Having nine games locked in place each year would really hurt their ability to do that.

And you have to wonder what other interesting OOC games might go. How many good LL/E8 matchups will we lose? Will Fisher still take on teams like W&J? Will we get super-ambitious scheduling like MUC/UW-W? 

[boobyhasgameyo]

I thought it was a very limited engagement with Salisbury and Frostburg.  Heck initially I thought it was only for two years.  But I'm pretty sure Salisbury is jumping ship for that new conference once it is formed...I'm assuming Frostburg will be joining them? 


Or did I make all of that up? 

[middlerelief]

Good wins for Utica and Ithaca congratulations to those two programs.

Anyone call it at the start of the season that Utica vs. Salisbury in Week 9 would decide conference? 

[Bombers798891]

I'm going to ask an honest question: What happened to the offenses  in this conference?

We're eight games into the season--seven for some and only two quarterbacks have double digit touchdown passes. Only two have a 2-to-1 TD/INT ratio. Only one has a completion percentage above 60%.   

Another thing I've noticed: The lack of teams with a feature back. Not a single E8 RB is averaging 20 carries a game, and only Ardoin and Baldassare are even close.

In 2010, E8 offenses averaged 32.6 PPG. This year, that number has dropped to 25.5. (In both cases, there's 64 games to use.) That's a full touchdown drop across the board in just two years.
It's just strange to see the offenses struggle so much. Thoughts?

[Bengalsrule]

Buff state beat UW-W and is about to lose to Hartwick?

What's up with that?

I think it's a combo of two things: UW-W is "down" this year ("down" in comparison to national championship). But even then it seems like it has been more that Buffalo State put all of its season into that one game. Since, they have really not showed anything impressive. Their Stagg Bowl occurred in Week 3.

FWIW..... Buffalo State wins 27-24 over Hartwick. "About to lose to Hartwick" and me betting $10.00 on the Bills to win the Super Bowl last week while in Vegas. Both are wishfull thinking, (although my bet is still alive, while Hartwicks desire to win today is not).

Go BENGALS!!!

Barely beating Hartwick is only minimally better than losing to them .

A win "is only minimally better than" a loss?    Thats a quote that I dont think I ever seen on these boards before, regardless of who is playing whom. I guess I shouldn't recommend you for the BENGALS booster of the year"?

[pg04]

Buff state beat UW-W and is about to lose to Hartwick?

What's up with that?

I think it's a combo of two things: UW-W is "down" this year ("down" in comparison to national championship). But even then it seems like it has been more that Buffalo State put all of its season into that one game. Since, they have really not showed anything impressive. Their Stagg Bowl occurred in Week 3.

FWIW..... Buffalo State wins 27-24 over Hartwick. "About to lose to Hartwick" and me betting $10.00 on the Bills to win the Super Bowl last week while in Vegas. Both are wishfull thinking, (although my bet is still alive, while Hartwicks desire to win today is not).

Go BENGALS!!!

Barely beating Hartwick is only minimally better than losing to them .

A win "is only minimally better than" a loss?    Thats a quote that I dont think I ever seen on these boards before, regardless of who is playing whom. I guess I shouldn't recommend you for the BENGALS booster of the year"?

Well obviously if you are looking at it from the point of view of a player, a coach, or a fan of the team, there is a world of difference. However, Rev's original point was that Buffalo State was ABOUT to lose to Hartwick. They didn't, but the fact that they were show's a tremendous difference than a team that can go to Wisconsin and win.

[Bombers798891]

A win "is only minimally better than" a loss?    Thats a quote that I dont think I ever seen on these boards before, regardless of who is playing whom. I guess I shouldn't recommend you for the BENGALS booster of the year"?

Hey, wins are wins, but *how* you win colors the perception of the team, as does the quality of the team you play. It's not just about saying wins = good, losses = bad. I mean, pretend the Bengals lost to UW-W 6-0. What result would fill you with more confidence about the team? A narrow loss on the road to the three-time defending champions, or a  last-second win at home over the worst team in the conference?

I think we all expected a better showing from the Bengals yesterday. Good for them to get the win, but I think it's apt to say they've really underwhelmed after the first few weeks showed a lot of promise

[boobyhasgameyo]

Fisher wins for 2 weeks in a row and for 2 weeks they lose votes.  I'm happy they are still ranked however given how this year has turned out. 

Anybody notice how Thomas More has turned around their season after starting 1-3?  Washington & Jefferson is also 6-2.  I'll say it again - outside of Wesley and UMHB the Southern region is not as strong as the East in my opinion.  I see Johns Hopkins is rolling through the CC again this year.  I'd be very interested to see how they would perform in the E8.  My guess is that they would be in a dog fight week in and weak out.  No way they'd be undefeated and cruising.