FB: Empire 8

[Bengalsrule]

Any mathematical formula that ranks the NESCAC should be ignored. The data can't be connected to the rest of Division III because they don't play anyone in D-III.

Good stuff there Pat. Thanks. Is it safe to say that the E8 should be considered to top D3 football conference, according to Massey ?

[Pat Coleman]

It should be considered one of the top D3 football conferences according to anybody.

[sjfcards]

This may not be a discussion for this board, but when I checked my phone this morning the first two stories from deadspin were about a brawl in the parking lot at the Packers/Dolphins game and a video of a Giants fan getting showered with garbage at the Eagles/Giants game.

This is one of the many reasons I prefer the feel of a D3 game to any major football event, but why on earth would someone feel it is OK to throw trash at another human being because he is wearing another teams jersey? I am honestly totally lost on this one.

[lewdogg11]

This may not be a discussion for this board, but when I checked my phone this morning the first two stories from deadspin were about a brawl in the parking lot at the Packers/Dolphins game and a video of a Giants fan getting showered with garbage at the Eagles/Giants game.

This is one of the many reasons I prefer the feel of a D3 game to any major football event, but why on earth would someone feel it is OK to throw trash at another human being because he is wearing another teams jersey? I am honestly totally lost on this one.

Soooo, since the game was in Philly, were they actually throwing Philly fans at the Giants fan?

[Bombers798891]

This is one of the many reasons I prefer the feel of a D3 game to any major football event, but why on earth would someone feel it is OK to throw trash at another human being because he is wearing another teams jersey? I am honestly totally lost on this one.

1. Alcohol
2. Alcohol
3. Some people take sports way, way, way, too seriously.
4. Alcohol

[jknezek]

This is one of the many reasons I prefer the feel of a D3 game to any major football event, but why on earth would someone feel it is OK to throw trash at another human being because he is wearing another teams jersey? I am honestly totally lost on this one.

1. Alcohol
2. Alcohol
3. Some people take sports way, way, way, too seriously.
4. Alcohol

When I was a kid my dad got tickets to Jets games. We started going when I was about 5, Dan Marino's rookie or second year in the league. I loved watching him chuck it all over the stadium and quickly became a Dolphins fan much to my father's chagrin. A couple years later, I'm guessing I was around 7 or 8 years old, I wore my brand new Marino jersey to the stadium. The tickets my dad got were always nose-bleed seats. They came from his office and we were way up with the bleacher bums. As usual, the Dolphins were winning and scored late in a cold as all get out December game. I cheered as a little kid would and the @sshole behind me dumped the better part of a large beer all over me.

He glared down at me and told me to "Stop being a sh!t-@ssed kid rooting for the wrong team." Then proceeded to yell at my dad for bringing me to the game. As my dad was restrained from knocking him out of the top of the stadium, someone went to get the stadium police who escorted about 20 of us who ended up screaming and shoving at each other (while my tiny little self huddled in a ball my dad was trying to protect) out of the stadium.

Suffice to say we never went back to a Jets game, I only rarely go to pro games these days, don't care much for the NFL, and absolutely hate the Jets.

All that being said, I've heard worse stories of events at SEC games, so I'll stick to D3 where the worst that usually happens is I'm sitting close enough to the field that my kids are exposed to a few players getting reamed out or cussing in frustration...

[ITH radio]

My kid has started playing ice hockey (of all things down here in FL, but hey, better to be in a cool rink than in 95 degree heat / humidity) and the guys who run the program spent more time at the beginning of the season making sure the parents understand how to behave themselves than the kids.

You'd think adults would know this already and fortunately I haven't seen any issues on the ice, stands or otherwise, but man...

[sjfcards]

This is one of the many reasons I prefer the feel of a D3 game to any major football event, but why on earth would someone feel it is OK to throw trash at another human being because he is wearing another teams jersey? I am honestly totally lost on this one.

1. Alcohol
2. Alcohol
3. Some people take sports way, way, way, too seriously.
4. Alcohol

When I was a kid my dad got tickets to Jets games. We started going when I was about 5, Dan Marino's rookie or second year in the league. I loved watching him chuck it all over the stadium and quickly became a Dolphins fan much to my father's chagrin. A couple years later, I'm guessing I was around 7 or 8 years old, I wore my brand new Marino jersey to the stadium. The tickets my dad got were always nose-bleed seats. They came from his office and we were way up with the bleacher bums. As usual, the Dolphins were winning and scored late in a cold as all get out December game. I cheered as a little kid would and the @sshole behind me dumped the better part of a large beer all over me.

He glared down at me and told me to "Stop being a sh!t-@ssed kid rooting for the wrong team." Then proceeded to yell at my dad for bringing me to the game. As my dad was restrained from knocking him out of the top of the stadium, someone went to get the stadium police who escorted about 20 of us who ended up screaming and shoving at each other (while my tiny little self huddled in a ball my dad was trying to protect) out of the stadium.

Suffice to say we never went back to a Jets game, I only rarely go to pro games these days, don't care much for the NFL, and absolutely hate the Jets.

All that being said, I've heard worse stories of events at SEC games, so I'll stick to D3 where the worst that usually happens is I'm sitting close enough to the field that my kids are exposed to a few players getting reamed out or cussing in frustration...

Stories like these make me over the top thankful that the TV experience for games has gotten so good. I don't knnow that I could have restrained myself had that been my kid.

[Bengalsrule]

This is one of the many reasons I prefer the feel of a D3 game to any major football event, but why on earth would someone feel it is OK to throw trash at another human being because he is wearing another teams jersey? I am honestly totally lost on this one.

1. Alcohol
2. Alcohol
3. Some people take sports way, way, way, too seriously.
4. Alcohol

   What Bomber said minus #3. I grew up 6 blocks for the "old Rockpile" War memorial Stadium, corner of Jefferson and best - Buffalo NY. My dad had season tickets for he and I and 3 of his friends did the same with their sons. 10-12 of us from 1964-68 sitting side by side and "ENJOYING" the game. You could actually walk into the stadium with 6 packs! But folks didn't get wasted before or during the game (at least in sec 24).

    My last experience was 4 years ago when I bought 20 end zone seats so that my children and nephews would be surrounded by 10 of my biggest friends (rows 9-12, seats 5-9). I knew that going to a Bills game, where the entrance has beer cans piled up 8/9 feet high, could be a harrowing experience. And it was. Fighting, puking and 1 lady, sitting directly behind us, bared her breasts during a "wave" in the 2nd quarter. I haven't been back to Bills game since then.

  The tailgating, at least in Buffalo, plus the endless drinking till they stop serving in the 3rd quarter, has IMHO, made pro football Un-Family Friendly (unless you are sitting in someones box)! I hope that they keep selling out in Buffalo (and showing the games on t.v.) and that my Beloved BENGALS (BUff State that is) keep winning. Coyer field is much safer than RW Statdium!

[Bombers798891]

So let me tell you a D-III story, which happened, as you can guess, at Cortaca

If you've seen Butterfield, you know there are two levels of stands on the home side. And if you know me, I'm in a wheelchair. Since the walkway of the upper stands is too narrow to have my wheelchair there, I always sit in the lower stands. For Cortaca, since everyone stands up for the whole thing, I made sure to get in the front row of the lower stands.

Naturally, because they refuse to limit tickets to Cortaca, there's an overflow crowd on our side, full of almost entirely students, many of whom are not sober, and even fewer of whom care about the game. Eventually, many students took to sitting in the walkway of the lower bleachers, in front of me. Other than being a safety issue, I didn't really care about that. The problem came, however, when a group of students decide to stand up, against the lower railing. They were (repeatedly) asked by people to sit down, only to constantly respond, "It's Cortaca, stand up"

*Quick aside: This is what I ****ing hate about Cortaca. All these drunk students acting like they give a **** about the football program and creating special Cortaca-only rules like they're really fans.

Anyway, the back-and-forth got more heated, to the point where I was worried there were going to be punches thrown, and amazingly, even when someone went up to them and pointed out my mobility impairment, nothing was resolved until some security worker happened by and got students to sit the hell down.

Just a reminder: Stand for big plays all you want, but a standing the whole game in front of the front row is disrespectful and rude

[lewdogg11]

This is one of the many reasons I prefer the feel of a D3 game to any major football event, but why on earth would someone feel it is OK to throw trash at another human being because he is wearing another teams jersey? I am honestly totally lost on this one.

1. Alcohol
2. Alcohol
3. Some people take sports way, way, way, too seriously.
4. Alcohol

   What Bomber said minus #3. I grew up 6 blocks for the "old Rockpile" War memorial Stadium, corner of Jefferson and best - Buffalo NY. My dad had season tickets for he and I and 3 of his friends did the same with their sons. 10-12 of us from 1964-68 sitting side by side and "ENJOYING" the game. You could actually walk into the stadium with 6 packs! But folks didn't get wasted before or during the game (at least in sec 24).

    My last experience was 4 years ago when I bought 20 end zone seats so that my children and nephews would be surrounded by 10 of my biggest friends (rows 9-12, seats 5-9). I knew that going to a Bills game, where the entrance has beer cans piled up 8/9 feet high, could be a harrowing experience. And it was. Fighting, puking and 1 lady, sitting directly behind us, bared her breasts during a "wave" in the 2nd quarter. I haven't been back to Bills game since then.

  The tailgating, at least in Buffalo, plus the endless drinking till they stop serving in the 3rd quarter, has IMHO, made pro football Un-Family Friendly (unless you are sitting in someones box)! I hope that they keep selling out in Buffalo (and showing the games on t.v.) and that my Beloved BENGALS (BUff State that is) keep winning. Coyer field is much safer than RW Statdium!

NFL stadiums have turned into weekend warrior dude meathead puke city-ville.  That said, I will never have issues with ladies showing boobies even if kids are with me.

[ExTartanPlayer]

A broad comment on all of the alcohol stories above.

I generally agree with Bombers that it's not just alcohol, but also "taking sports too seriously" - however, I'll add a qualifier there.  As all of we D3football denizens know, it is perfectly possible to be a huge fan without being a huge asshole.  However, I think that some of these "fans" don't really take the sport all that seriously, they just use the sport as an excuse to act like a huge asshole.  I've now lived in Pittsburgh for 10 years (yikes) and seen countless "huge Steeler fans" that will gladly tell you all about the Stillers and their six Super Bowl rings but probably can't name the team's second receiver or starting left guard.  These guys don't really take the sport all that seriously, otherwise they'd actually know **** about their team.  They just use going to Steeler games as an excuse to get drunk, yell a lot, boo the opponent (or the Steelers, if they're losing), and feel like they're part of...something, I guess.  I hate fans like that, for any team, but they exist.

[ExTartanPlayer]

*Quick aside: This is what I ****ing hate about Cortaca. All these drunk students acting like they give a **** about the football program and creating special Cortaca-only rules like they're really fans.

This is what I was getting at in my last post.  Getting drunk and then yelling some at the game doesn't make you a fan.  Actually caring about the team makes you a fan.

[HSCTiger74]

This is one of the many reasons I prefer the feel of a D3 game to any major football event, but why on earth would someone feel it is OK to throw trash at another human being because he is wearing another teams jersey? I am honestly totally lost on this one.

1. Alcohol
2. Alcohol
3. Some people take sports way, way, way, too seriously.
4. Alcohol

   What Bomber said minus #3. I grew up 6 blocks for the "old Rockpile" War memorial Stadium, corner of Jefferson and best - Buffalo NY. My dad had season tickets for he and I and 3 of his friends did the same with their sons. 10-12 of us from 1964-68 sitting side by side and "ENJOYING" the game. You could actually walk into the stadium with 6 packs! But folks didn't get wasted before or during the game (at least in sec 24).

    My last experience was 4 years ago when I bought 20 end zone seats so that my children and nephews would be surrounded by 10 of my biggest friends (rows 9-12, seats 5-9). I knew that going to a Bills game, where the entrance has beer cans piled up 8/9 feet high, could be a harrowing experience. And it was. Fighting, puking and 1 lady, sitting directly behind us, bared her breasts during a "wave" in the 2nd quarter. I haven't been back to Bills game since then.

  The tailgating, at least in Buffalo, plus the endless drinking till they stop serving in the 3rd quarter, has IMHO, made pro football Un-Family Friendly (unless you are sitting in someones box)! I hope that they keep selling out in Buffalo (and showing the games on t.v.) and that my Beloved BENGALS (BUff State that is) keep winning. Coyer field is much safer than RW Statdium!

NFL stadiums have turned into weekend warrior dude meathead puke city-ville.  That said, I will never have issues with ladies showing boobies even if kids are with me.

  What really rankles me is that this seems to have become accepted, expected behavior. I've shared Carolina Panthers season tickets with my father-in-law for twenty years, and for the most part our home crowds are boisterous but friendly with only occasional need for security or law enforcement intervention. But if you listen to the local sports talk shows we're nothing but a bunch of candy-a$$, wine-and-cheese pseudo fans who don't have a clue about the NFL and should give up our tickets to "real" fans. Of course, most of those callers are transplants from old-line NFL cities, so maybe I should consider the source. But still, what a crock.

[Bombers798891]

  What really rankles me is that this seems to have become accepted, expected behavior.

I'd give you +100 K if I could for this.

Ithaca and Cortland can do all the after-the-fact tsk tsk tsk they want. The bottom line is that the schools/towns *know* this type of idiocy goes on, and while they may not be overly encouraging it, they're certainly tacitly doing so by failing to effectively enforce their own rules and execute common sense