FB: Empire 8

[Upstate]

These are deserving kids who are getting recognition but their placement on the teams leaves a lot o be desired.

In Johnson's case he is an electrifying player, however hes a turnover machine and is a mediocre passer. He should be in the all purpose category only.

Dempsey should have been the 2nd team QB.

Buff St had a really good team this year, but 8 first team players total? 1 kicker, 4 players on the first team offense and 3 on first team D.

The conference champion Ithaca and 9 game winner SJF get 5 kids total each but Buff St gets 8?

[Bombers798891]

Fisher defense:
15.3 PPG, 268.6 YPG, 5 all-conference defensive players (Three 1st team. one second team, one HM)

Ithaca defense:
17.2 PPG, 299.1 YPG, 3 all-conference defensive players (Two 1st-team, one HM)

Buff State defense:
28.2 PPG 400.1 YPG, 6 all-conference defensive players (Three 1st-team, three second team)

Clearly, this is either an issue of across the board depth, a sum/parts situation, or Buff State having a lousy defensive game plan. Because Ithaca and Fisher were clearly the best defenses in the conference, and yet Buff State had as many 1st and 2nd team selections as the two of them combined.

[D3MAFAN]

Fisher defense:
15.3 PPG, 268.6 YPG, 5 all-conference defensive players (Three 1st team. one second team, one HM)

Ithaca defense:
17.2 PPG, 299.1 YPG, 3 all-conference defensive players (Two 1st-team, one HM)

Buff State defense:
28.2 PPG 400.1 YPG, 6 all-conference defensive players (Three 1st-team, three second team)

Clearly, this is either an issue of across the board depth, a sum/parts situation, or Buff State having a lousy defensive game plan. Because Ithaca and Fisher were clearly the best defenses in the conference, and yet Buff State had as many 1st and 2nd team selections as the two of them combined.

You have a valid point, Ithaca and SJF may have the better "Team Defense", however for individual honors, those Buff St players may have better individual accolades.

[Bartman]

Fisher defense:
15.3 PPG, 268.6 YPG, 5 all-conference defensive players (Three 1st team. one second team, one HM)

Ithaca defense:
17.2 PPG, 299.1 YPG, 3 all-conference defensive players (Two 1st-team, one HM)

Buff State defense:
28.2 PPG 400.1 YPG, 6 all-conference defensive players (Three 1st-team, three second team)

Clearly, this is either an issue of across the board depth, a sum/parts situation, or Buff State having a lousy defensive game plan. Because Ithaca and Fisher were clearly the best defenses in the conference, and yet Buff State had as many 1st and 2nd team selections as the two of them combined.

You have a valid point, Ithaca and SJF may have the better "Team Defense", however for individual honors, those Buff St players may have better individual accolades.

So what does that say about the other 5 Buff State starters???

[AUPepBand]

So Pep was just taking a look at this website's All-East Region Team. Does it seem odd to anyone other than Pep that Hamilton (0-8) would land a player both on the Offensive 2nd Team AND a player on the Defensive 3rd Team...even though the Continentals didn't win a game? Only six other NESCAC players were named, but none from unbeaten league champ Amherst (8-0), which probably failed to nominate anyone.

Pep just thought it odd. Not a dig on the players as Pep didn't see them play. They may truly be worthy of the honor but it just seemed odd, coming from a winless team. Perhaps Coach Murray (or the Hamilton SID) writes a persuasive nomination?

[fisheralum91]

Pep- - it stood off the page when I read it.
Great catch!

[Bombers798891]

So Pep was just taking a look at this website's All-East Region Team. Does it seem odd to anyone other than Pep that Hamilton (0-8) would land a player both on the Offensive 2nd Team AND a player on the Defensive 3rd Team...even though the Continentals didn't win a game? Only six other NESCAC players were named, but none from unbeaten league champ Amherst (8-0), which probably failed to nominate anyone.

Pep just thought it odd. Not a dig on the players as Pep didn't see them play. They may truly be worthy of the honor but it just seemed odd, coming from a winless team. Perhaps Coach Murray (or the Hamilton SID) writes a persuasive nomination?

Perhaps you could have glanced at the stats, which would tell you that de Percin was more than worthy? He had 48 tackles, 16.5 TFL, and a pick in just eight games. His counterpart on the 3rd team had 43 tackles, 3 TFL, and a sack in 11 games.

[Pat Coleman]

I think it's perfectly fine for a poor team to have an All-Region player. There's 11 guys on the field at once and just because the team struggles doesn't mean there are no individuals worthy.

That said, I am definitely wary of defensive players who just have a crapload of tackles on a bad team. That to me is a sign that perhaps they are the only good player on that side of the ball.

The lineman, we had a couple people say he was the best guy they faced in the NESCAC, and that carries a little weight. (He was not our highest-rated NESCAC lineman, if I recall correctly, but was named by some. We sent all coaches an email asking for feedback on offensive linemen since there aren't any great individual stats.)

[Bombers798891]

That said, I am definitely wary of defensive players who just have a crapload of tackles on a bad team. That to me is a sign that perhaps they are the only good player on that side of the ball.

And tackles are notoriously difficult to track, especially for LBs and DTs where you may have a couple of guys converging on a ballcarrier at once.

I think the "only good player on a defense" is much more of an issue for other positions than DT. Sure, a safety is going to get a ton of tackles if dudes are just running through the front 7 and blowing by corners, and a LB may make a lot of downfield tackles of less difficulty. But a DT is almost always going to be fighting off a blocker—possibly two. And if he has 16 TFL, then he's probably the first guy to get to the runner. Guys aren't showing up on his doorstep because no one else was around.

I personally love TFL's, because I think they contain a lot of hidden info. If a guy is in the backfield that frequently, he's probably doing other things that disrupt an offense and don't show up in his stat line. Is he hurrying the QB into a bad throw? Forcing a RB to change direction, allowing others the time to get to him?

[Pat Coleman]

Right -- when I talk about someone who just has a crapload of tackles, that's generally a LB or a safety. Someone who has a bunch of TFL does not have just tackles on their resume.

[AUPepBand]

Right -- when I talk about someone who just has a crapload of tackles, that's generally a LB or a safety. Someone who has a bunch of TFL does not have just tackles on their resume.

Well, this is going way back, but Alfred had a dominating LB in the late 60s by the name of Assenheimer (#55) who I believed was named Little All-America when the Saxons finished an unimpressive 2-5. So I guess this sort of thing happens. Assenheimer can be seen playing in a game at Union College's Alexander Field back on Nov. 9, 1968:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5sPadq_T0M

On Saxon Warriors!

[jmcozenlaw]

Right -- when I talk about someone who just has a crapload of tackles, that's generally a LB or a safety. Someone who has a bunch of TFL does not have just tackles on their resume.

Well, this is going way back, but Alfred had a dominating LB in the late 60s by the name of Assenheimer (#55) who I believed was named Little All-America when the Saxons finished an unimpressive 2-5. So I guess this sort of thing happens. Assenheimer can be seen playing in a game at Union College's Alexander Field back on Nov. 9, 1968:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5sPadq_T0M

On Saxon Warriors!

Assenheimer???......................reminds me of one of my favorite Seinfeld episodes starring Kramer

[boobyhasgameyo]

Yikes.  Wesley is getting hammered right now.  Down 56-0 in the first half to Mount Union.  How can this happen?  Mount Union doesn't even beat some of the lesser teams in the OAC this badly. 

[dlippiel]

What the **** is happening in the Wesley game?

[boobyhasgameyo]

I don't know, but they are down 70-7 with about 12 minutes to go in the 4th.  Complete no show.  Even if playing soft playoff opponents the first 3 weeks made them come out of the gates slow, that should account for maybe the first quarter to adjust.  This is just a beat down, and I don't know why. 

Perhaps Wesleydad will be able to shed some light on what is happening.  I haven't been watching, so maybe it's some sort of perfect storm.