FB: Empire 8

[Jonny Utah]

I agree with you but you also have to consider d3 politics which may be in play.  If the AD and head coach knows that the football team isn't winning because they are tough on admissions and can't save kids 50K a year like they can at other d3 schools, maybe the OC gets some slack. 

But hey, you and I are on the same page on this one, I'm just speculating on what may happen but I agree that the head coach needs to see what is really happening.  Run a draw.  Run a bubble.  One trick play maybe.  Run a screen.  I think the OC could do more but what the hell do I know.

1. I think I've been fair over the years with acknowledging the difficulties IC has in terms of admission stuff, given the much more crowded landscape that exists in Upstate NY D-III football now, but this mentality from coaches gets old quick. There's more than some truth to it, but the bottom line is, it's used as a crutch way more than it should be. Way too many responses to the question: "Why isn't the football team better?" start "Well, with admissions the way they are..."

2. To be fair, Ithaca's run trick plays. Sure, they're not going full Boise State on anyone, but the biggest offensive play of the 2014 season came when they duped Fisher on a WR end-around pass (which they had successfully run in the Utica game that season, and the 2013 Cortaca Jug.) But yes, I haven't seen them run a screen since the 2008 Jug game.

1. Yea, I guess I'm talking about whether or not a coach is going to be fired over it.  It's one thing for you and me to criticize the school, coaches, admissions, AD, etc, but it's another thing for someone to be fired because of it at a d3 school. It's kind of like the situation Union was facing.  On the outside, we can all see what the team looks like on the field in terms of coaching, talent, playcalling, but on the inside we don't know if the School/AD is basically telling coaches "Look, this is all your gonna get, this is a school first and we aren't getting the help we used to with admissions/financial aid, but hey, I have your back".  That didn't happen at Union, but that coach also didn't win 1 game in a recruiting area (about 100 private/prep schools and good academic public schools) with tons of talent for a school like Union. 

2.  I know IC has been great with the trick plays, and they actually ran a screen or two within the last 2 years I believe, but against Union that was really too vanilla in my opinion.  Union has a similar offense but at least tried to do some different things (some of them worked) with WR screens, bunch Toss, etc).

My conclusion:  The offense needs a jumpstart, regardless of admissions or talent or any other BS reason.

[fisheralum91]

Its hump day and Im itching for week # 2.
Fisher vs Springfield
Thoughts?

[Bombers798891]

Yea, I guess I'm talking about whether or not a coach is going to be fired over it.

My conclusion:  The offense needs a jumpstart, regardless of admissions or talent or any other BS reason.

My long-standing stance is that coaches shouldn't be fired at this level for on-the-field reasons, unless you've reached a level of non-competitiveness that demoralizes the players. (Fans are completely irrelevant in my mind). Ithaca is far from that (that I know of)

However, I'm not naive, and I know that coaches are fired, for on the field reasons, all the time. I also know that, usually, new head coaches like to bring their own staff on board, or make their own hires. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if there was a shakeup on that end, regardless of who the new HC is.

Let me ask you this: As great as the 2013/2014 seasons were from a fan perspective, do you think they hurt the program at all? I mean, from 2010-2012, the team clearly regessed from their 2001-2008 heyday under Welch. They went 16-14, and had their first losing season since forever. They were still flawed on offense in 2013/14, rarely breaking even 30 points a game, but the defense/special teams carried them to the playoffs. And then the bottom fell out on 2015, and here we are in 2016, looking at similar problems.

I wonder if 2013/14 kind of clouded the big picture

[Bombers798891]

http://www.thestylus.net/news/view.php/1023539/Athletic-Department-puts-quotGo-Greenquo

Kudos to Brockport for cutting back, but, I'd be lying if I said this didn't make me sad a little.

I know I'm an anomaly when it comes to this stuff, but I love reading actual printed media guides and game programs. Yes, we can see them online now, but it's not the same experience, IMO. I also view them as collector's items (which again is not the norm) and I think it's a bummer that everything is going online now. Yes, it increases the level and ease of access, but there's something about holding it in your hand that's just different when it comes to printed materials.

But like I said, I'm not the average fan, and this is a good move for sustainability

[Bartman]

http://www.thestylus.net/news/view.php/1023539/Athletic-Department-puts-quotGo-Greenquo

Kudos to Brockport for cutting back, but, I'd be lying if I said this didn't make me sad a little.

I know I'm an anomaly when it comes to this stuff, but I love reading actual printed media guides and game programs. Yes, we can see them online now, but it's not the same experience, IMO. I also view them as collector's items (which again is not the norm) and I think it's a bummer that everything is going online now. Yes, it increases the level and ease of access, but there's something about holding it in your hand that's just different when it comes to printed materials.

But like I said, I'm not the average fan, and this is a good move for sustainability

I have to agree with you, but I am a bit old school. I treasure my family's copies of old programs... some NY Giants Football and Baseball  from 1930 ...Princeton Football from 1964(Cosmo Iaccavazi All American and rocket scientist)... Hobart Football 1972(A-Z All American)....not to mention old World Series,Super Bowls , Olympics , Hockey , Basketball...I still keep certain Hobart Football Media Guides ... I guess any profitable/revenue generating publications will continue......but going to a college game and getting a program as soon as I walk in , is part of the experience but since attendance is down(especially with internet access) at most schools this will surely be the trend...and , of course , sustainability...I just need to print the game day stuff before the game, remember to bring it with me and then feel guilty about my increased carbon footprint  for a few minutes

[pg04]

I'm a bit late, but good luck to all the E8 teams this season! Some have a victory early on, others (sigh) lost in week 1 but upward and onward!

Well HELL-****ING-LO pg04! Good to see you posting pal. dlip hopes all is well with you! +k

I'm a bit late, but good luck to all the E8 teams this season! Some have a victory early on, others (sigh) lost in week 1 but upward and onward!

Hey pg04! Glad to see a familiar face on the boards again. +K

Howdy to both of you! Hope all is well for both of you as well. Good luck to Union and Alfred!

[Jonny Utah]

http://www.thestylus.net/news/view.php/1023539/Athletic-Department-puts-quotGo-Greenquo

Kudos to Brockport for cutting back, but, I'd be lying if I said this didn't make me sad a little.

I know I'm an anomaly when it comes to this stuff, but I love reading actual printed media guides and game programs. Yes, we can see them online now, but it's not the same experience, IMO. I also view them as collector's items (which again is not the norm) and I think it's a bummer that everything is going online now. Yes, it increases the level and ease of access, but there's something about holding it in your hand that's just different when it comes to printed materials.

But like I said, I'm not the average fan, and this is a good move for sustainability

I have to agree with you, but I am a bit old school. I treasure my family's copies of old programs... some NY Giants Football and Baseball  from 1930 ...Princeton Football from 1964(Cosmo Iaccavazi All American and rocket scientist)... Hobart Football 1972(A-Z All American)....not to mention old World Series,Super Bowls , Olympics , Hockey , Basketball...I still keep certain Hobart Football Media Guides ... I guess any profitable/revenue generating publications will continue......but going to a college game and getting a program as soon as I walk in , is part of the experience but since attendance is down(especially with internet access) at most schools this will surely be the trend...and , of course , sustainability...I just need to print the game day stuff before the game, remember to bring it with me and then feel guilty about my increased carbon footprint  for a few minutes

Well 2,000 forty page color media guides may be a little excessive, but banning programs or media guides as a whole is nonsense.  It's like Barnes and Noble only selling kindles. 

[Bombers798891]

Well 2,000 forty page color media guides may be a little excessive, but banning programs or media guides as a whole is nonsense. It's like Barnes and Noble only selling kindles.

Could not agree more. Look, this is in large part about environment and budget, I get that. I'm supportive of that. But these quotes bother me:

"We felt that in a world that's pretty technologically advanced, we were doing some pretty archaic practices," LaDew said.

"Change is always scary, but I think since we're going to gradually [introduce] people into this movement, it will be more successful," LaDew said. "I think those people who are fearful of the change will start to see that it is beneficial and it's not that big of a difference to look at a program on your phone as opposed to a piece of paper, that then gets thrown away."

Printed media are not just outdated delivery mechanisms for a bunch of text that are made from trees. There are people who prefer them because they like holding them in their hands and turning pages. They like how books look on a bookshelf. They want to frame a program, or get it signed. My wife and I just had a baby shower, and we got a book from a friend of the family. It had been in their family for half a century, and on it, they had inscribed the names and DOBs of their children on the inside cover, and written our daughter's name underneath it. The point of the gift wasn't that we were going to read the same story to our daughter. It was that we were going to read the same actual book

Look, I get that this article is talking about something very specific: sport programs and media guides at one small D-III school. And they probably have data that backs up their decision. But there's a generally dismissive attitude toward an entire medium being displayed, and an absurd hand-waving away of the backlash as somehow being the result of people fearing change. That's lame

[UfanBill]

Its hump day and Im itching for week # 2.
Fisher vs Springfield
Thoughts?

Well Springfield lost last week to their cross town rival, a very good Western New England team that may go undefeated again this year. The Pride has a new head coach although he has been the long time OC.  The big news is that their starting QB Jake Eglintine left the game and didn't return. They are a run option offense that relies VERY heavily on the QB. They pass usually only when they lull the D into coming up to stuff the run.  Even when behind against WNEU they only threw 6 times completing only 1 for ZERO yards! If Eglintine doesn't play, SJF will roll.

[fisheralum91]

While i would LOVE to say that because we have played the likes of Springfield and more recently Salisbury and their option that our D should be prepared for it- We have a new DC and hope that he is up to speed---Sorry for the pun...
Hey at least no Chris Sharpe right?

[AUPepBand]

Well 2,000 forty page color media guides may be a little excessive, but banning programs or media guides as a whole is nonsense. It's like Barnes and Noble only selling kindles.

Could not agree more. Look, this is in large part about environment and budget, I get that. I'm supportive of that. But these quotes bother me:

"We felt that in a world that's pretty technologically advanced, we were doing some pretty archaic practices," LaDew said.

"Change is always scary, but I think since we're going to gradually [introduce] people into this movement, it will be more successful," LaDew said. "I think those people who are fearful of the change will start to see that it is beneficial and it's not that big of a difference to look at a program on your phone as opposed to a piece of paper, that then gets thrown away."

Printed media are not just outdated delivery mechanisms for a bunch of text that are made from trees. There are people who prefer them because they like holding them in their hands and turning pages. They like how books look on a bookshelf. They want to frame a program, or get it signed. My wife and I just had a baby shower, and we got a book from a friend of the family. It had been in their family for half a century, and on it, they had inscribed the names and DOBs of their children on the inside cover, and written our daughter's name underneath it. The point of the gift wasn't that we were going to read the same story to our daughter. It was that we were going to read the same actual book

Look, I get that this article is talking about something very specific: sport programs and media guides at one small D-III school. And they probably have data that backs up their decision. But there's a generally dismissive attitude toward an entire medium being displayed, and an absurd hand-waving away of the backlash as somehow being the result of people fearing change. That's lame

Pep has delayed producing an online version of The Alfred Sun because among its current subscribers, probably about 85% to 90% prefer to read it in print, just like Bombers798891. Every subscription renewal invoice that is sent out includes a brief survey of readers. Pep reads the responses. More are indicating they'd like to read it online but most of those are out-of-state and they realize they could read it in a more timely manner than waiting for the Wells Fargo Wagon every week.

As a member of the media, Pep remembers there being a "Media Day" during each AU football preseason. Media guides were handed out, photos taken of players from each region of the state. Pep knows it was a ton of work to pull together those media guides and a ton of money to get them printed. Without a "Media Day," the "media guides" were still published (late), then used as a recruiting tool. Pep hasn't seen one in several years. Following departure of "Media Days" AU now does a nice job of including a brief video of each player on its gosaxons.com roster.

Does Pep miss the printed media guide? Yes. Especially when it comes to questions about school records, etc. Pep likes to "leaf through" a publication like that. Those records, however, are now available online on gosaxons.com. Pep could probably print them out if he wanted to and make his own little AU football guide.

On Saxon Warriors!

[Upstate]

While i would LOVE to say that because we have played the likes of Springfield and more recently Salisbury and their option that our D should be prepared for it- We have a new DC and hope that he is up to speed---Sorry for the pun...
Hey at least no Chris Sharpe right?

And it sounds like a no go for their starting QB as well...

Fisher has handled SC's option offense for the most part, I like Fisher's chances to have another big game defensively this week...

[dlippiel]

While i would LOVE to say that because we have played the likes of Springfield and more recently Salisbury and their option that our D should be prepared for it- We have a new DC and hope that he is up to speed---Sorry for the pun...
Hey at least no Chris Sharpe right?

Fisher will ****ing pound the Pride. This is not the Pride of yesteryear. SJF wins by at least 21...yup dlip said it! Not even mighty Chris Sharpe's ghost can help Springfield in this one...unless the SJF kicking game goes awry...he kids,he kids...

[Bombers798891]

While i would LOVE to say that because we have played the likes of Springfield and more recently Salisbury and their option that our D should be prepared for it- We have a new DC and hope that he is up to speed---Sorry for the pun...
Hey at least no Chris Sharpe right?

Fisher will ****ing pound the Pride. This is not the Pride of yesteryear. SJF wins by at least 21...yup dlip said it! Not even mighty Chris Sharpe's ghost can help Springfield in this one...unless the SJF kicking game goes awry...he kids,he kids...

Fisher wins 36-12. It would be 42-0, but I assume all six of their PATs will be blocked and run back

[jknezek]

While i would LOVE to say that because we have played the likes of Springfield and more recently Salisbury and their option that our D should be prepared for it- We have a new DC and hope that he is up to speed---Sorry for the pun...
Hey at least no Chris Sharpe right?

Fisher will ****ing pound the Pride. This is not the Pride of yesteryear. SJF wins by at least 21...yup dlip said it! Not even mighty Chris Sharpe's ghost can help Springfield in this one...unless the SJF kicking game goes awry...he kids,he kids...

Fisher wins 36-12. It would be 42-0, but I assume all six of their PATs will be blocked and run back

+K