FB: Empire 8

[Bartman]

Brockport gave Hobart all it could handle as Andrews had a great day and Hobart did not contain his bounce outs . Fisher should be able to handle them but expect a feisty group. The Brockport lines are solid as OL opened holes and DL stopped run. Hobart OL is better in pass protect(still no sacks) and Sweeney had his way passing the ball as Brockport DB's had issues as pointed out by others here. So , Fisher should be able to pass well , but must stop the run or Brockport will make it a long day(the Bockport QB  is a transfer from LIU Post but never played a college game before Hobart, had a nice HS career on LI and should not be underestimated...seems very efficient and poised)...this game should keep the scorekeeper busy. A Brockport upset is not out of the realm ...but Fisher will need to shoot a foot or two...gotta love the E8

[D3viewer]

Vs Hobart Brockport played a 4 man line and got torched through the air. Against Hartwick it seemed they played a 3 man line most of the game and still got torched through the air. Pine had 356 yards passing and they scored 35 points. So...looks like they scrapped their base 4-2 defense after the Hobart game and either changed their D to a 3-3 ot it was just a game plan thing. Neither worked very well, although the 3-3 vs Hartwick at least generated 3 INTs which is pretty solid. They had 0 INTs vs Hobart. 1 sack vs Hartwick, none vs Hobart.
Basically with Brockport, as usual in recent history (going back to Boltus's last college game in the 2008 ECAC game vs Brockport when they broke the NCAA record for most points scored in a loss, 68. Brockport won 70-68) if you can out shoot them you can win. That means usually a high scoring affair, track meet style. The opponent doesn't seem to matter. It was like that vs Hobart and Hartwick this year, versus Fisher in the Courage Bowl last year, etc. Brockport lost this way to Buff St in the I90 Bowl last season. You'll probably score a lot of points, but you'll maybe give up a lot as well. A broken record for Brockport year after year.

[D3viewer]

Just looking at stats since I haven't seen Fisher play..they are about dead even with Brockport offensively. Number 1 and 2 in scoring in the E8. The difference therefore should be Fisher's defense which is ranked higher than Brockport. So basically I figure if SJF can keep Brockport in the 20's in scoring they should be able to score enough to secure the win. If they can't then it gets dicier. Despite Andrews, Brockport is only ranked 6th in the conf in rushing. The biggest negative for Brockport's D is that they are ranked dead last in yards per play given up (6.5). That"s usually death for a defense when you can't stop the big plays.

[D3MAFAN]

Just looking at stats since I haven't seen Fisher play..they are about dead even with Brockport offensively. Number 1 and 2 in scoring in the E8. The difference therefore should be Fisher's defense which is ranked higher than Brockport. So basically I figure if SJF can keep Brockport in the 20's in scoring they should be able to score enough to secure the win. If they can't then it gets dicier. Despite Andrews, Brockport is only ranked 6th in the conf in rushing. The biggest negative for Brockport's D is that they are ranked dead last in yards per play given up (6.5). That"s usually death for a defense when you can't stop the big plays.

I have watch Fisher play and the offense is explosive and the receivers I like a lot. Defensively, they are good enough to be the top representative in the East this year, although if Del Val wins out, they'll get the nod.

[Upstate]

Just looking at stats since I haven't seen Fisher play..they are about dead even with Brockport offensively. Number 1 and 2 in scoring in the E8. The difference therefore should be Fisher's defense which is ranked higher than Brockport. So basically I figure if SJF can keep Brockport in the 20's in scoring they should be able to score enough to secure the win. If they can't then it gets dicier. Despite Andrews, Brockport is only ranked 6th in the conf in rushing. The biggest negative for Brockport's D is that they are ranked dead last in yards per play given up (6.5). That"s usually death for a defense when you can't stop the big plays.

I have watch Fisher play and the offense is explosive and the receivers I like a lot. Defensively, they are good enough to be the top representative in the East this year, although if Del Val wins out, they'll get the nod.

Even if Fisher and DVC win out they'll likely be 2/3 seeds.

Heck they both might be the #2 seeds in the UMU and UMHB brackets!

[ITH radio]

Don't forget Hopkins. If/when they beat Muhlenberg this wkd, they'll be on their way to yet another CC title (and likely 2 seed in some bracket).

[Bartman]

Just looking at stats since I haven't seen Fisher play..they are about dead even with Brockport offensively. Number 1 and 2 in scoring in the E8. The difference therefore should be Fisher's defense which is ranked higher than Brockport. So basically I figure if SJF can keep Brockport in the 20's in scoring they should be able to score enough to secure the win. If they can't then it gets dicier. Despite Andrews, Brockport is only ranked 6th in the conf in rushing. The biggest negative for Brockport's D is that they are ranked dead last in yards per play given up (6.5). That"s usually death for a defense when you can't stop the big plays.

I have watch Fisher play and the offense is explosive and the receivers I like a lot. Defensively, they are good enough to be the top representative in the East this year, although if Del Val wins out, they'll get the nod.

Having seen Brockport live and watched Fisher on the internet and reviewed the stats, I don't think Fisher has shown enough on defense yet to feel confident they can stop Brockport consistently. Also the Brockport QB seems to be getting better each game as this is his first season ..... he played with a lot of poise against the Hobart defense . Also, if you throw out the uncompetitive opponents for each team (Olivet and Alfred St.) the stats are fairly close and Brockport has a +3 advantage in turnovers compared to Fisher in the 2 "competitive" games each has played. The difference will probably be Brockport's weakness in the secondary vs. Fisher's strong passing game which could mean a track meet but if Brockport can force a few turnovers and hold on to the ball, the Brockport offense should respond on most possessions. I will be watching this game with interest and hoping for some E8 cannibalism to keep things interesting.

[sjfcards]

Just looking at stats since I haven't seen Fisher play..they are about dead even with Brockport offensively. Number 1 and 2 in scoring in the E8. The difference therefore should be Fisher's defense which is ranked higher than Brockport. So basically I figure if SJF can keep Brockport in the 20's in scoring they should be able to score enough to secure the win. If they can't then it gets dicier. Despite Andrews, Brockport is only ranked 6th in the conf in rushing. The biggest negative for Brockport's D is that they are ranked dead last in yards per play given up (6.5). That"s usually death for a defense when you can't stop the big plays.

I have watch Fisher play and the offense is explosive and the receivers I like a lot. Defensively, they are good enough to be the top representative in the East this year, although if Del Val wins out, they'll get the nod.

Even if Fisher and DVC win out they'll likely be 2/3 seeds.

Heck they both might be the #2 seeds in the UMU and UMHB brackets!

Is it too early to start the what scenario leads the East to get a #1 seed? We seem to have it every year.

The only way I see it happening is if a couple teams stay unbeaten, and have a win over one or two 1 loss teams. For example if Fisher and Cortland both win out, and AU only loses to Cortland and Fisher all year, I could see that causing some debate anyway. The same could be true if say a Hobart and SLU win out, with one team only losing to the other. Even then I think it is just inevitable that whoever is the East's #1 team will be a #2 seed somewhere.

[AUPepBand]

Just looking at stats since I haven't seen Fisher play..they are about dead even with Brockport offensively. Number 1 and 2 in scoring in the E8. The difference therefore should be Fisher's defense which is ranked higher than Brockport. So basically I figure if SJF can keep Brockport in the 20's in scoring they should be able to score enough to secure the win. If they can't then it gets dicier. Despite Andrews, Brockport is only ranked 6th in the conf in rushing. The biggest negative for Brockport's D is that they are ranked dead last in yards per play given up (6.5). That"s usually death for a defense when you can't stop the big plays.

I have watch Fisher play and the offense is explosive and the receivers I like a lot. Defensively, they are good enough to be the top representative in the East this year, although if Del Val wins out, they'll get the nod.

Even if Fisher and DVC win out they'll likely be 2/3 seeds.

Heck they both might be the #2 seeds in the UMU and UMHB brackets!

Is it too early to start the what scenario leads the East to get a #1 seed? We seem to have it every year.

The only way I see it happening is if a couple teams stay unbeaten, and have a win over one or two 1 loss teams. For example if Fisher and Cortland both win out, and AU only loses to Cortland and Fisher all year, I could see that causing some debate anyway. The same could be true if say a Hobart and SLU win out, with one team only losing to the other. Even then I think it is just inevitable that whoever is the East's #1 team will be a #2 seed somewhere.

Yes.

[Upstate]

Just looking at stats since I haven't seen Fisher play..they are about dead even with Brockport offensively. Number 1 and 2 in scoring in the E8. The difference therefore should be Fisher's defense which is ranked higher than Brockport. So basically I figure if SJF can keep Brockport in the 20's in scoring they should be able to score enough to secure the win. If they can't then it gets dicier. Despite Andrews, Brockport is only ranked 6th in the conf in rushing. The biggest negative for Brockport's D is that they are ranked dead last in yards per play given up (6.5). That"s usually death for a defense when you can't stop the big plays.

I have watch Fisher play and the offense is explosive and the receivers I like a lot. Defensively, they are good enough to be the top representative in the East this year, although if Del Val wins out, they'll get the nod.

Having seen Brockport live and watched Fisher on the internet and reviewed the stats, I don't think Fisher has shown enough on defense yet to feel confident they can stop Brockport consistently. Also the Brockport QB seems to be getting better each game as this is his first season ..... he played with a lot of poise against the Hobart defense . Also, if you throw out the uncompetitive opponents for each team (Olivet and Alfred St.) the stats are fairly close and Brockport has a +3 advantage in turnovers compared to Fisher in the 2 "competitive" games each has played. The difference will probably be Brockport's weakness in the secondary vs. Fisher's strong passing game which could mean a track meet but if Brockport can force a few turnovers and hold on to the ball, the Brockport offense should respond on most possessions. I will be watching this game with interest and hoping for some E8 cannibalism to keep things interesting.

Olivet has won just as many games this season as ASC has won in the past two years. I'm not saying Olivet is a world beater or that they come from a juggernaut conference but they went 9-1 last year and have won two straight games after getting blown out.

I think blowing a team out like that has a lot more merit to it than only scoring 21 points in the first 43 minutes vs a team that's won 3 games (2 of which were against JUCO programs) in the past 3 years.

To lump them in with ASC just because they were blown out doesn't do Fisher or Olivet for that matter justice.

Brockport hasn't won vs Fisher since 2003 (a 38-35 game that Brockport kicked a FG with 3 seconds left). This is a much better offense in Fisher vs a defense that's not very good. I think Fisher wins by 2 scores. Watch, I say this and now Fisher will get their doors blown off as Andrews goes for 300 yards and 6 TDs ala Chris Sharpe 2006.

[sjfcards]

Just looking at stats since I haven't seen Fisher play..they are about dead even with Brockport offensively. Number 1 and 2 in scoring in the E8. The difference therefore should be Fisher's defense which is ranked higher than Brockport. So basically I figure if SJF can keep Brockport in the 20's in scoring they should be able to score enough to secure the win. If they can't then it gets dicier. Despite Andrews, Brockport is only ranked 6th in the conf in rushing. The biggest negative for Brockport's D is that they are ranked dead last in yards per play given up (6.5). That"s usually death for a defense when you can't stop the big plays.

I have watch Fisher play and the offense is explosive and the receivers I like a lot. Defensively, they are good enough to be the top representative in the East this year, although if Del Val wins out, they'll get the nod.

Having seen Brockport live and watched Fisher on the internet and reviewed the stats, I don't think Fisher has shown enough on defense yet to feel confident they can stop Brockport consistently. Also the Brockport QB seems to be getting better each game as this is his first season ..... he played with a lot of poise against the Hobart defense . Also, if you throw out the uncompetitive opponents for each team (Olivet and Alfred St.) the stats are fairly close and Brockport has a +3 advantage in turnovers compared to Fisher in the 2 "competitive" games each has played. The difference will probably be Brockport's weakness in the secondary vs. Fisher's strong passing game which could mean a track meet but if Brockport can force a few turnovers and hold on to the ball, the Brockport offense should respond on most possessions. I will be watching this game with interest and hoping for some E8 cannibalism to keep things interesting.

Olivet has won just as many games this season as ASC has won in the past two years. I'm not saying Olivet is a world beater or that they come from a juggernaut conference but they went 9-1 last year and have won two straight games after getting blown out.

I think blowing a team out like that has a lot more merit to it than only scoring 21 points in the first 43 minutes vs a team that's won 3 games (2 of which were against JUCO programs) in the past 3 years.

To lump them in with ASC just because they were blown out doesn't do Fisher or Olivet for that matter justice.

Brockport hasn't won vs Fisher since 2003 (a 38-35 game that Brockport kicked a FG with 3 seconds left). This is a much better offense in Fisher vs a defense that's not very good. I think Fisher wins by 2 scores. Watch, I say this and now Fisher will get their doors blown off as Andrews goes for 300 yards and 6 TDs ala Chris Sharpe 2006.

I was at that end of the stadium (still a senior at Fisher then), behind the goal post when that one sailed through...that one still stings.

The 2003 Fisher team was so close to being a really good team. They lost to a very good (10-3, lost to RPI in the elite 8 I think) Ithaca team by a point, 20-19 (had a 19-0 halftime lead), lost their second game to Brockport on that field goal (Brockport finished 9-2 and lost to IC in the playoffs), and the third loss, by a touchdown, to an RPI team that finished 11-2 and beat Ithaca in the playoffs before bowing out to St. Johns in the final 4 I believe.

[Upstate]

Good news for Fisher is that it looks like Fusco is starting this weekend.

Hopefully it's not something that lingers like last year.

[D3viewer]

Saturday, September 24
TIME


1:00 PM
Morrisville State @ Buffalo State
1:00 PM
SUNY Cortland @ Utica
1:00 PM
Ithaca @ Alfred
4:00 PM
St. John Fisher @ Brockport State (NY)

[D3viewer]

If you get Time Warner Cable they will be having an E8 double header on TV Sat.
1PM Cortland at Utica followed by the Courage Bowl at 4.

[ITH radio]

Saturday, September 24
TIME


1:00 PM
Morrisville State @ Buffalo State
1:00 PM
SUNY Cortland @ Utica
1:00 PM
Ithaca @ Alfred
4:00 PM
St. John Fisher @ Brockport State (NY)

I thought all these games were on Saterday.....