FB: Empire 8

[maxpower]

Hey, I didn't add, I just subtracted. Just saying that Alfred upset your boys last year... calling them "whipping boy" might be a bit jinx-y. Also, if IC doesn't win out they're pretty much screwed, no matter where the loss comes from. And you need to do a little reading about the Cortaca Jug. It doesn't really matter how good either team is...2004 was the first time since 1995 or 6 that the game didn't come down to the last play. And it went to OT last year. Either team can win that game, that's what a rivalry is all about. You guys should try one.

[maxpower]

SPEAKING of rivalries... I'm gonna be visiting a friend in Philly this weekend... thought I might try and hit up Cortland-Rowan. What do you guys think? The big question is..... where do I sit? Who am I rooting for?

[maxpower]

I would guess I am (gulp) rooting for Cortland, because a) it helps IC's QOW, and b) if Rowan gets the AQ, that means IC has to fight with Cortland for a pool C instead of what will be two-loss Rowan, who is ranked lower (meaningless, I know...) ??

[realistic]

yeah - I think you gotta go for Cortland regardless....besides, you can ha ve the added benefit of getting the NJAC board riled up again....which is always fun.

[theoriginalupstate]

i think we showed we are not the same team that gave up 34 second half points to st john fisher 

Im, sorry but beating springfield on your "field", like you always do, in the slop does not prove you're not the same team....

but if they beat alfred and cort.....they wud be the best team in the east at that point....no argument

Im pretty sure a 10-0 Wilkes team or a 9-0 Hobart team would disagree with that, not to mention the NCAA....

..so its hard for me to sit back and think if we finish 9-1 we are not gettin a playoff bid...so im not too concerned about gettin screwed that way....

Well im sure SJF/SC fans are thinking the same thing, if it does come down to QOWI IC is on the short end, unless the NCAA takes 3.  Which I doubt....

Upstate, our boy NorthCountry may have gotten a little carried away but I don't think he is that far off the mark.  I realize, in the three way tie, SC gets the Auto.  However, I think it is not a sure fire thing that Fisher gets the C and IC goes home simply because Fisher beat IC.  I know the committee is supposed to look at the whole resume but, it has been my experience that the "what have you done for me lately" mentality that exists in D1 also affects the committees decision in D3.  I think IC's momentum, should they beat SC then go on the road and beat Alfred and Cortland, carries them in, or at the very least, makes it very close. 

Actually, if there is a 3 way tie SJF would win the C bid according to Frank Rossi....

[maxpower]

Right.... and Springfield gets the auto...

Also, there isn't one C bid... it's possible for two teams from the E8 to get one.... unlikely but possible...

What is going on with SJF posters today?

[JQV]

i think we showed we are not the same team that gave up 34 second half points to st john fisher 

Im, sorry but beating springfield on your "field", like you always do, in the slop does not prove you're not the same team....

but if they beat alfred and cort.....they wud be the best team in the east at that point....no argument

Im pretty sure a 10-0 Wilkes team or a 9-0 Hobart team would disagree with that, not to mention the NCAA....

..so its hard for me to sit back and think if we finish 9-1 we are not gettin a playoff bid...so im not too concerned about gettin screwed that way....

Well im sure SJF/SC fans are thinking the same thing, if it does come down to QOWI IC is on the short end, unless the NCAA takes 3.  Which I doubt....

Upstate, our boy NorthCountry may have gotten a little carried away but I don't think he is that far off the mark.  I realize, in the three way tie, SC gets the Auto.  However, I think it is not a sure fire thing that Fisher gets the C and IC goes home simply because Fisher beat IC.  I know the committee is supposed to look at the whole resume but, it has been my experience that the "what have you done for me lately" mentality that exists in D1 also affects the committees decision in D3.  I think IC's momentum, should they beat SC then go on the road and beat Alfred and Cortland, carries them in, or at the very least, makes it very close. 

Actually, if there is a 3 way tie SJF would win the C bid according to Frank Rossi....

Come on Upstate, you are quoting Rossi?  I thought you were better than that.

[maninorangehat]

SPEAKING of rivalries... I'm gonna be visiting a friend in Philly this weekend... thought I might try and hit up Cortland-Rowan. What do you guys think? The big question is..... where do I sit? Who am I rooting for?

Max,

Root for Rowan!  If we give Cortland their 2nd loss it could be lights out for their season... Esp if Union, Bart, and Fisher all end up w/ one loss.

You have to Root for any chance to KO C State.

[realistic]

MIOH....I hear where you're coming from but, come on.  The year Cortland is having, and the general arrogance of Rowan people...throw Cortland a bone and cheer for them this weekend.  Its gonna be hard enough for them to win in Glassboro.  As hard as it is to say, go dragons.

[gobombers]

I am going to be rooting for Cortland this weekend, since the Bombers look even better as a Pool C team having two wins against two Conference Winners.

Plus, it might give us the opportunity to beat Cortland twice in one year!  Double the fun!

TASTE IT!

[maninorangehat]

MIOH....I hear where you're coming from but, come on.  The year Cortland is having, and the general arrogance of Rowan people...throw Cortland a bone and cheer for them this weekend.  Its gonna be hard enough for them to win in Glassboro.  As hard as it is to say, go dragons.

Good point... I guess it really doesn't matter.  A Bombers win will be sweet either way.  If it's keeping Cortland from an undefeated season... or possibly ending their season.

Go Bombers

Can't Wait til Saterday Part II.  I hope the sequel is as good as the original.

[theoriginalupstate]

Come on Upstate, you are quoting Rossi?  I thought you were better than that.

I know, I know....

I didnt want too, but its the only thing I could come back with....

Sad, isnt it?

[JQV]

Come on Upstate, you are quoting Rossi?  I thought you were better than that.

I know, I know....

I didnt want too, but its the only thing I could come back with....

Sad, isnt it?

Besides I think the head-to-head game is the best argument that Fisher goes before IC.  Especially given the way the game came out.  It is not as if IC lost on some fluke, or a close play.  If that were the case, you could argue we are the better team, just got one bad bounce all season.  But, the way you won has to matter.  I just think it isn't a sure thing that 3 E8s have to go for IC to go (assuming SC gets the AQ).

[John McGraw]

I gotta say if either of those teams has a shot at the upset of SC, it is Hartwick.  At least they have the QB and RB to potentially put up some numbers.  Maybe they can go score for score with the Pride and have the ball last?

I don't think either Hartwick or Norwich has the horses to upset Springfield. It would have to be a once in a lifetime day for either team. I thought Hartwick would be better this year and am a little surprised they've struggled so much with two great invidual players like Jason Boltus and Lindy Crea. But, their defense, like last year, hasn't been good. In theory Jose, sure, Hartwick and Springfield could go score-for-score. But, I think Springfield's defense will show up and hold Hartwick to a modest total. Hartwick won't be able to stop Springfield's ground game and I think Sharpe and/or Jackson will have a big game.

I don't think Norwich at this stage of the season can beat Springfield either. The Pride's running game is too good and Norwich doesn't have the playmakers on offense that can beat the Springfield "d." If this was the Norwich team of a few years ago with Meehan, Garcon and Sutton-El, then it'd be a different story. Crummy conditions in Northfield may slow down the Pride offense, but thats it.

And with the rest of the conference, the IC-Alfred and Alfred-SJF games are basically almost playoff games. In essence, they are playoff games for Alfred since a loss in either knocks them squarely out of the playoffs. If Ithaca and/or St. John Fisher lose, that will knock them out of Pool A contention and the team that wins of that group, will have the upper hand in Pool C with Springfield possibly getting the AQ. If anything, it will be a very exciting final two weeks.

I'll be listening to the Ithaca-Alfred game as I go about unpacking on Saturday. I leave for Virginia first thing in the morning. It'll be a brisk nine-hour drive to southwestern Virginia. Hope everyone has a good next few days. I will miss the upstate New York snow this weekend, but I'm sure it snows in Virginia.

[fan of d3]

It would be a long shot for Hartwick to go score for score with SC...Last year SC put up 59 on them and they have only gotten better this year.

Also, I find it interesting that people rag on SC's "D" so much (granted it has not been that good save for keeping garret lynch to 60 yards) but does that mean that SJF has a good defense? Heck they gave up 55 to SC. And who else on their schedule is really that good besides IC?  I think the two best teams in the E8 this year have to be SC and IC. 

I know comparing scores is asking for trouble but SC and IC held brockport to 6 and 3 respectively while SJF gave up 20.  SJF out of conference games consist of Kings who is a pedestrian 5-3, lowly Mt. Ida, a halfway decent Rochester team who is 6-2 but still has to play Hobart and RPI. 

I think IC has a much better defense than SJF but I do think SJF has a much better offense than IC.  Call me crazy for rambling on but I think where I am headed with this is that SC is not the only one loss team around with a lousy defense.  I can't see how SJF will make the playoffs with that kind of out of conference schedule if and only if IC can beat Alfred and Cstate..

what was my point again?