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[JQV]

Enlighten me on how that has an effect on this years game again?

To trot out the old argument Brockport posters were fond of back when they were good: No one on Alfred's roster has ever won at Butterfield Stadium.  In fact, no one on Alfred's roster has a father or grandfather or great grandfather that has ever won at Butterfield Stadium!

(note, please do not search my past posts to find all the times I said this argument was stupid)

[theoriginalupstate]

Enlighten me on how that has an effect on this years game again?

To trot out the old argument Brockport posters were fond of back when they were good: No one on Alfred's roster has ever won at Butterfield Stadium.  In fact, no one on Alfred's roster has a father or grandfather or great grandfather that has ever won at Butterfield Stadium!

(note, please do not search my past posts to find all the times I said this argument was stupid)

Q, I'm bored at work but not that bored...

[AUPepBand]

Enlighten me on how that has an effect on this years game again?

To trot out the old argument Brockport posters were fond of back when they were good: No one on Alfred's roster has ever won at Butterfield Stadium.  In fact, no one on Alfred's roster has a father or grandfather or great grandfather that has ever won at Butterfield Stadium!

(note, please do not search my past posts to find all the times I said this argument was stupid)

Here's a post that I pulled out from the cobwebs:

Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 16, 2009, 09:17:52 pm

For example, a lot of talk might be made in a few months about how Alfred hasn't won at Butterfield in however long (or is it ever? I always forget). But half of these guys weren't there in 2007 and probably none were there in 2005. So how relevant really is that anecdote? It's quirky, and yes, I am aware that there are, sometimes, teams that just can't seem to win a certain game, in a certain place or at a certain temperature. But in the college game, I feel these matter less. Tom Secky's in charge of that offense at Alfred, and since he wasn't there at any other time, I'm not going to be put at ease by a "Yeah, but they never win here."

Well, since you were wondering, Pep went to the "record books." When Pep hits the record books, you know it's been awhile. All of AU's wins at Ithaca came before it was called Butterfield Stadium. In fact, most probably came before South Hill Field was built....anyone know when the Bombers first called that home? But here are Alfred's wins (and ties) at Ithaca:

1938--Alfred and Ithaca played to a 20-20 tie
1951--Alfred 33, Ithaca 0
1953--Alfred 41, Ithaca 6
1955--Alfred 26, Ithaca 0
1961--Alfred 14, Ithaca 7
1976--Alfred 3, Ithaca 3 (tie)...Pep was there. Pep thinks Lois described it in Wasn't That Fun? as the most boring game ever witnessed. Funny thing about that, a week or so later, the Saxons handed then-powerful St. Lawrence its lone loss that year, a 3-2 Saxon win at Canton! Pep listened to that one on the radio.
1982--Alfred 20, Ithaca 7

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Enlighten me on how that has an effect on this years game again?

To trot out the old argument Brockport posters were fond of back when they were good: No one on Alfred's roster has ever won at Butterfield Stadium.  In fact, no one on Alfred's roster has a father or grandfather or great grandfather that has ever won at Butterfield Stadium!

(note, please do not search my past posts to find all the times I said this argument was stupid)

I'm not sure I understand the point.  Brockport did win at Butterfield when they were good.  Albeit, once. 

[gobombers15]

I said before camp even started that AU was my team to beat in the E8...

I think Secky separates them from the rest of the pack in the E8...

They still have to win at Ithaca, something they've never done in their history, IIRC. I'm not saying it won't happen, but good Alfred teams have lost to pretty good Bombers teams in the past. In both 2005 and 2007, Alfred came into Ithaca with a 7-1 record and walked out with double-digit losses (28-14 in '05, 42-25 in '07).

Enlighten me on how that has an effect on this years game again?

That has no effect on this year's game beyond illustrating the point that several other good Alfred teams have come into Ithaca with a "this is the year we win here" attitude, only to get smacked. It's not like those Alfred teams didn't have a good QB, either, or quality skill players. It will be a tight game, no doubt, but this isn't the first time I've heard how Alfred is going to knock off the Bombers in Ithaca.

[Bombers798891]

Enlighten me on how that has an effect on this years game again?

To trot out the old argument Brockport posters were fond of back when they were good: No one on Alfred's roster has ever won at Butterfield Stadium.  In fact, no one on Alfred's roster has a father or grandfather or great grandfather that has ever won at Butterfield Stadium!

(note, please do not search my past posts to find all the times I said this argument was stupid)

Here's a post that I pulled out from the cobwebs:

Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 16, 2009, 09:17:52 pm

For example, a lot of talk might be made in a few months about how Alfred hasn't won at Butterfield in however long (or is it ever? I always forget). But half of these guys weren't there in 2007 and probably none were there in 2005. So how relevant really is that anecdote? It's quirky, and yes, I am aware that there are, sometimes, teams that just can't seem to win a certain game, in a certain place or at a certain temperature. But in the college game, I feel these matter less. Tom Secky's in charge of that offense at Alfred, and since he wasn't there at any other time, I'm not going to be put at ease by a "Yeah, but they never win here."

Well, since you were wondering, Pep went to the "record books." When Pep hits the record books, you know it's been awhile. All of AU's wins at Ithaca came before it was called Butterfield Stadium. In fact, most probably came before South Hill Field was built....anyone know when the Bombers first called that home? But here are Alfred's wins (and ties) at Ithaca:

1938--Alfred and Ithaca played to a 20-20 tie
1951--Alfred 33, Ithaca 0
1953--Alfred 41, Ithaca 6
1955--Alfred 26, Ithaca 0
1961--Alfred 14, Ithaca 7
1976--Alfred 3, Ithaca 3 (tie)...Pep was there. Pep thinks Lois described it in Wasn't That Fun? as the most boring game ever witnessed. Funny thing about that, a week or so later, the Saxons handed then-powerful St. Lawrence its lone loss that year, a 3-2 Saxon win at Canton! Pep listened to that one on the radio.
1982--Alfred 20, Ithaca 7

I remember when Cortland couldn't win here for something like 30 years, and then they beat us four out of five. I do understand why that stat makes it tougher to embrace the thought of an Alfred victory, but let's not forget, Ithaca was a lot better year-in, year-out in the 70's and 80's then they are now, and Alfred had some pretty down years of their own. Much like Cortaca, the context of these games has shifted. Ithaca's no longer a national title contender and Alfred's improved dramatically.

Honestly, Alfred 2004-2008 reminds me a lot of Ithaca from 1996-2000. A collection of good teams that year in, year out, were always in the mix but just couldn't seem to get over the hump (Special shout-out to the 1998 Bombers, which were screwed by the NCAA Selection committee) In 2001, IC got over the hump. Could year six be magic for the Saxons?  

[theoriginalupstate]

I said before camp even started that AU was my team to beat in the E8...

I think Secky separates them from the rest of the pack in the E8...

They still have to win at Ithaca, something they've never done in their history, IIRC. I'm not saying it won't happen, but good Alfred teams have lost to pretty good Bombers teams in the past. In both 2005 and 2007, Alfred came into Ithaca with a 7-1 record and walked out with double-digit losses (28-14 in '05, 42-25 in '07).

Enlighten me on how that has an effect on this years game again?

That has no effect on this year's game beyond illustrating the point that several other good Alfred teams have come into Ithaca with a "this is the year we win here" attitude, only to get smacked. It's not like those Alfred teams didn't have a good QB, either, or quality skill players. It will be a tight game, no doubt, but this isn't the first time I've heard how Alfred is going to knock off the Bombers in Ithaca.

Can't say I've heard anything of the sorts this year...

Unless you're reading way too much into the notion that people think AU is the team to beat in the E8 this year, which is more than likely the case...

With the way this season is going it's entirely plausible that AU can lose at IC and still win the E8...

[gobombers15]

I said before camp even started that AU was my team to beat in the E8...

I think Secky separates them from the rest of the pack in the E8...

They still have to win at Ithaca, something they've never done in their history, IIRC. I'm not saying it won't happen, but good Alfred teams have lost to pretty good Bombers teams in the past. In both 2005 and 2007, Alfred came into Ithaca with a 7-1 record and walked out with double-digit losses (28-14 in '05, 42-25 in '07).

Enlighten me on how that has an effect on this years game again?

That has no effect on this year's game beyond illustrating the point that several other good Alfred teams have come into Ithaca with a "this is the year we win here" attitude, only to get smacked. It's not like those Alfred teams didn't have a good QB, either, or quality skill players. It will be a tight game, no doubt, but this isn't the first time I've heard how Alfred is going to knock off the Bombers in Ithaca.

Can't say I've heard anything of the sorts this year...

Unless you're reading way too much into the notion that people think AU is the team to beat in the E8 this year, which is more than likely the case...

With the way this season is going it's entirely plausible that AU can lose at IC and still win the E8...

It's plausible, sure. It's also quite unlikely. Such a situation would all but require Alfred to be otherwise perfect in the conference and for Ithaca to lose two of three against Fisher, Hartwick and Springfield. Again, it could happen, but I think the probability of it happening is not high.

[theoriginalupstate]

It's plausible, sure. It's also quite unlikely. Such a situation would all but require Alfred to be otherwise perfect in the conference and for Ithaca to lose two of three against Fisher, Hartwick and Springfield. Again, it could happen, but I think the probability of it happening is not high.

That's right, I totally forgot how awesome and intimidating Ithaca has looked this year...

[gobombers15]

It's plausible, sure. It's also quite unlikely. Such a situation would all but require Alfred to be otherwise perfect in the conference and for Ithaca to lose two of three against Fisher, Hartwick and Springfield. Again, it could happen, but I think the probability of it happening is not high.

That's right, I totally forgot how awesome and intimidating Ithaca has looked this year...

That's cute. I never said they did look awesome. In fact, I'm often one of few Ithaca posters who has always spoke out about how overrated Ithaca often is and how poor of a coach Welch really is.  But you've said nothing to disprove my valid point that it is unlikely that Alfred would get the AQ even with a loss at Ithaca. An IC win is tantamount to a 2-game advantage over Alfred because of tiebreaker implications. Barring some odd three-way or four-way tie, yes, it is unlikely (read: less than 50% chance) that Alfred could lose at Ithaca and still get the AQ. As I said, it's plausible, but also unlikely.

[fisheralum91]

Thought id share a quick story--I was out at my local haunt on Saterday watching some ball before going out to dinner with friends and in walks a guy with JET BLACK dyed hair.
Ppl were snickering at the horrifying home job that was done on this guys hair--then a bunch of guys with IC jackets came in and said--" Coach--we were looking for you-are you ready for dinner?"
Thats when the lightbulb went on and i literally had to contain my laughter until the group left the bar.

[theoriginalupstate]

It's plausible, sure. It's also quite unlikely. Such a situation would all but require Alfred to be otherwise perfect in the conference and for Ithaca to lose two of three against Fisher, Hartwick and Springfield. Again, it could happen, but I think the probability of it happening is not high.

That's right, I totally forgot how awesome and intimidating Ithaca has looked this year...

That's cute. I never said they did look awesome. In fact, I'm often one of few Ithaca posters who has always spoke out about how overrated Ithaca often is and how poor of a coach Welch really is.  But you've said nothing to disprove my valid point that it is unlikely that Alfred would get the AQ even with a loss at Ithaca. An IC win is tantamount to a 2-game advantage over Alfred because of tiebreaker implications. Barring some odd three-way or four-way tie, yes, it is unlikely (read: less than 50% chance) that Alfred could lose at Ithaca and still get the AQ. As I said, it's plausible, but also unlikely.

So you're confident that IC isn't going to lose 2 conference games?

[SJFF82]

I said before camp even started that AU was my team to beat in the E8...

I think Secky separates them from the rest of the pack in the E8...

They still have to win at Ithaca, something they've never done in their history, IIRC. I'm not saying it won't happen, but good Alfred teams have lost to pretty good Bombers teams in the past. In both 2005 and 2007, Alfred came into Ithaca with a 7-1 record and walked out with double-digit losses (28-14 in '05, 42-25 in '07).

I agree GB15  it absolutely does matter, until it doesnt matter anymore....and it wont matter anymore once AU wins at Butterfield....which they havent....so it still matters.....get it? 

[gobombers15]

It's plausible, sure. It's also quite unlikely. Such a situation would all but require Alfred to be otherwise perfect in the conference and for Ithaca to lose two of three against Fisher, Hartwick and Springfield. Again, it could happen, but I think the probability of it happening is not high.

That's right, I totally forgot how awesome and intimidating Ithaca has looked this year...

That's cute. I never said they did look awesome. In fact, I'm often one of few Ithaca posters who has always spoke out about how overrated Ithaca often is and how poor of a coach Welch really is.  But you've said nothing to disprove my valid point that it is unlikely that Alfred would get the AQ even with a loss at Ithaca. An IC win is tantamount to a 2-game advantage over Alfred because of tiebreaker implications. Barring some odd three-way or four-way tie, yes, it is unlikely (read: less than 50% chance) that Alfred could lose at Ithaca and still get the AQ. As I said, it's plausible, but also unlikely.

So you're confident that IC isn't going to lose 2 conference games?

I think it unlikely that they will lose two conference games, IMO. That's not because I think this is a great or even a very good Ithaca team. I think they can win three of four in conference. However, that was not the issue. You stated that Alfred may lose at IC and still take the AQ. My position is that, while plausible, it is unlikely.

[Bombers798891]

It's plausible, sure. It's also quite unlikely. Such a situation would all but require Alfred to be otherwise perfect in the conference and for Ithaca to lose two of three against Fisher, Hartwick and Springfield. Again, it could happen, but I think the probability of it happening is not high.

That's right, I totally forgot how awesome and intimidating Ithaca has looked this year...

That's cute. I never said they did look awesome. In fact, I'm often one of few Ithaca posters who has always spoke out about how overrated Ithaca often is and how poor of a coach Welch really is.  But you've said nothing to disprove my valid point that it is unlikely that Alfred would get the AQ even with a loss at Ithaca. An IC win is tantamount to a 2-game advantage over Alfred because of tiebreaker implications. Barring some odd three-way or four-way tie, yes, it is unlikely (read: less than 50% chance) that Alfred could lose at Ithaca and still get the AQ. As I said, it's plausible, but also unlikely.

So you're confident that IC isn't going to lose 2 conference games?

Upstate,

The hypothetical GB is suggesting isn't whether IC will lose 2 conference games. It's that they'll lose two to teams OTHER than Alfred. I mean, who has Hartwick played this season? Since when does beating Norwich, Becker, Salve Regina and Morrisville State count as an impressive slate of opponents? None of those teams are any good, so why should Hartwick's 4-0 record mean anything?  Everyone in the E8 would be 4-0 if they played the four teams Hartwick did, with the possible exception of Utica, which would probably be 3-1. The only decent team Springfield played lit them up for 49 points. So even if SJF beats IC (and I think they will because they are in IC's head) either Springfield or Hartwick would need to beat Ithaca for Alfred to win it if they lost to the Bombers. Ithaca hasn't looked like world-beaters, but Springfield and Hartwick don't either.