FB: Empire 8

[HSCTiger74]

If you want to cling to one win and cry about not getting respect from IC, that's fine, but winning more than once every decade or so might help with that problem. So would entering the 4th quarter down by fewer than 25 points.

Good post Bombers.  +k.

Whenever I think of 'Wick football I only remember the 2002 game at IC because their starting Guard doubled as their place kicker...their barefoot placekicker.  

Late in the game, with IC up 19-18, Wick is driving for the winning field goal but has no timeouts left.  They get into range (maybe a 30 or 35 yard attempt) on a completion over the middle with about 10 seconds left and rush their kick team onto the field (because no timeouts and short of the first down so they couldn't spike it).  The game ends with their guard/kicker on one knee desparately wrestling with his shoelace trying to get his shoe and sock off so he could attempt the field goal.  One of the all-time great fat guy moments.

+K That's amazing....Pep doesn't remember ever hearing that. Heck, Pep would have had the back-up PK ready to go! (At least that's what Pep would have claimed at the Monday morning coffee break).

Pep always knows what to do...in hindsight. That's why Pep was "fired" after accumulating a horrible record in his YMCA Biddy Basketball coaching stint.  

you gotta have a PK first before you have a back up...

But I'm thinking they were bound to have a backup guard they could have used for one or two plays while the PK/G got his shoe off.

[AUPepBand]

If you want to cling to one win and cry about not getting respect from IC, that's fine, but winning more than once every decade or so might help with that problem. So would entering the 4th quarter down by fewer than 25 points.

Good post Bombers.  +k.

Whenever I think of 'Wick football I only remember the 2002 game at IC because their starting Guard doubled as their place kicker...their barefoot placekicker.  

Late in the game, with IC up 19-18, Wick is driving for the winning field goal but has no timeouts left.  They get into range (maybe a 30 or 35 yard attempt) on a completion over the middle with about 10 seconds left and rush their kick team onto the field (because no timeouts and short of the first down so they couldn't spike it).  The game ends with their guard/kicker on one knee desparately wrestling with his shoelace trying to get his shoe and sock off so he could attempt the field goal.  One of the all-time great fat guy moments.

+K That's amazing....Pep doesn't remember ever hearing that. Heck, Pep would have had the back-up PK ready to go! (At least that's what Pep would have claimed at the Monday morning coffee break).

Pep always knows what to do...in hindsight. That's why Pep was "fired" after accumulating a horrible record in his YMCA Biddy Basketball coaching stint.  

you gotta have a PK first before you have a back up...

But I'm thinking they were bound to have a backup guard they could have used for one or two plays while the PK/G got his shoe off.

Now there's a progressive thinker...why didn't Pep think of that?  HSCTiger is hereby invited to Pep's virtual Monday Morning Second-Guessers Coffee Club. You take cream and sugar, Tiger?

[BoSox0322]

If you want to cling to one win and cry about not getting respect from IC, that's fine, but winning more than once every decade or so might help with that problem. So would entering the 4th quarter down by fewer than 25 points.

Good post Bombers.  +k.

Whenever I think of 'Wick football I only remember the 2002 game at IC because their starting Guard doubled as their place kicker...their barefoot placekicker.  

Late in the game, with IC up 19-18, Wick is driving for the winning field goal but has no timeouts left.  They get into range (maybe a 30 or 35 yard attempt) on a completion over the middle with about 10 seconds left and rush their kick team onto the field (because no timeouts and short of the first down so they couldn't spike it).  The game ends with their guard/kicker on one knee desparately wrestling with his shoelace trying to get his shoe and sock off so he could attempt the field goal.  One of the all-time great fat guy moments.

+K That's amazing....Pep doesn't remember ever hearing that. Heck, Pep would have had the back-up PK ready to go! (At least that's what Pep would have claimed at the Monday morning coffee break).

Pep always knows what to do...in hindsight. That's why Pep was "fired" after accumulating a horrible record in his YMCA Biddy Basketball coaching stint.  

you gotta have a PK first before you have a back up...

But I'm thinking they were bound to have a backup guard they could have used for one or two plays while the PK/G got his shoe off.

the normal kicker was hurt... it was in two minute offense... it was a sh*t show

[Yanks 99]

I mean, who has Hartwick played this season? Since when does beating Norwich, Becker, Salve Regina and Morrisville State count as an impressive slate of opponents? None of those teams are any good, so why should Hartwick's 4-0 record mean anything? 

Hartwick's record means ****! Hence the reason they get no ERP consideration from most and absolutely no love on a national level. They had christ as a QB for four years and still lost to Brockport ST last year in the ECAC's when Boltus was a senior. Wick's record is meaningless in regards to the region until they beat anyone of remote substance. Now if they go ahead and beat SJF again then they will definitely deserve a look (not saying SJF is all that good either). Now here is a team dlip wished would toughen up their schedule and make a move to take the program to the next level. They almost always have decent QB's and some skill players but that means nothing when your D gives up over 60 points on multiple occasions during a season. dlip has always liked Wick but just feels with that schedule and their past, they should never even be looked at until they completely force one to look at them.

I think thats pretty much how it goes?  Most people complain about a weak schedule and Hartwick wont get any credit until they beat Ithaca or Fisher (recent years Fisher) or both... and even when they do that most people on here act like its a fluke instead of giving them credit... its no secret

I can't speak for Wick/Fisher, but as far as Wick/IC goes...

2004- IC goes up 23-0 in the opening 20 minutes and cruises to a 47-8 win
2005- IC goes up 38-7 after 25 minutes and still leads by 31 heading into the 4th
2006- IC up 21-0 at the half and 34-7 heading into the 4th
2008- IC gets up 27-7 in the first quarter, Hartwick rallies, still manages to trail by 27 heading into the 4th quarter

They beat Ithaca one time, by two points...they're 1-7 against IC since they restarted the program, and 2007 was the only time in the last five years Ithaca hadn't jumped all over them from the get go. If you want to cling to one win and cry about not getting respect from IC, that's fine, but winning more than once every decade or so might help with that problem. So would entering the 4th quarter down by fewer than 25 points.

Am I saying Ithaca's unbeatable against Hartwick? No. I'm simply pointing out that the Wick's recent games against IC haven't exactly shown the Hawks in their best light. I don't think 2007 was a fluke, but it does stand out in the crowd a bit from recent years, no?

I would have the same reaction to an IC fan complaining about a lack of respect from Fisher. IC's gone 1-4 against them in the last five years, so in my mind, Fisher's earned the right to be the favorite in that game. Respect isn't something you get once and then you have a lifetime pass. If the Wick starts beating Ithaca more consistently, they'll get that respect

i dont think anyone said they should be a favorite vs IC?  There was two great games back to back in either 01 and 02 or 03 and 04 19 -18 both years IC over wick

I agree...I don't think anyone said that Wick should be favored.  Not at all...and I don't think they are.  They are winning games they should be winning, plain and simple.  Now comes the meat of their schedule.  They could win this weekend, but there is no doubt that they will have to play very well to do so.  If not...IC could walk away with a route.

I believe the two 19-18 losses were in 02 and 03.  If I remember, the 02 game was Fellicetti's coming out party (taking over for Steenberg). 

[HSCTiger74]

If you want to cling to one win and cry about not getting respect from IC, that's fine, but winning more than once every decade or so might help with that problem. So would entering the 4th quarter down by fewer than 25 points.

Good post Bombers.  +k.

Whenever I think of 'Wick football I only remember the 2002 game at IC because their starting Guard doubled as their place kicker...their barefoot placekicker.  

Late in the game, with IC up 19-18, Wick is driving for the winning field goal but has no timeouts left.  They get into range (maybe a 30 or 35 yard attempt) on a completion over the middle with about 10 seconds left and rush their kick team onto the field (because no timeouts and short of the first down so they couldn't spike it).  The game ends with their guard/kicker on one knee desparately wrestling with his shoelace trying to get his shoe and sock off so he could attempt the field goal.  One of the all-time great fat guy moments.

+K That's amazing....Pep doesn't remember ever hearing that. Heck, Pep would have had the back-up PK ready to go! (At least that's what Pep would have claimed at the Monday morning coffee break).

Pep always knows what to do...in hindsight. That's why Pep was "fired" after accumulating a horrible record in his YMCA Biddy Basketball coaching stint.  

you gotta have a PK first before you have a back up...

But I'm thinking they were bound to have a backup guard they could have used for one or two plays while the PK/G got his shoe off.

Now there's a progressive thinker...why didn't Pep think of that?  HSCTiger is hereby invited to Pep's virtual Monday Morning Second-Guessers Coffee Club. You take cream and sugar, Tiger?

Thanks Pep, very hospitable of you; cream and sugar would be excellent.

[sjfcards]

Wow I took a little vacation and I missed a whole lot in the world of Division III football. I was very disappointed with Fisher last week against Salisbury, but now they have a week off to get healthy and get ready for the big run in conference play.

I was very impressed with Utica even tho they lost, but give IC a lot of credit. They made UC turn the ball over in the second half and get the win. AU looked good as well last week, but I think we learned a lot about Springfield last week.

Another big weekend in the E8. There was a great article in the Ithaca newspaper this week about how a few years ago, the league was a one or two team league, but now all of the teams are real test. No matter who you are playing. Especially with Utica looking like they are about to arrive as a real contender in the conference. The Out of conference record for the E8 is pretty impressive when you look at it. Makes for a lot of entertaining weekends. I just hope Fisher will be able to keep up.

[dlippiel]

Wow I took a little vacation and I missed a whole lot in the world of Division III football. I was very disappointed with Fisher last week against Salisbury, but now they have a week off to get healthy and get ready for the big run in conference play.

I was very impressed with Utica even tho they lost, but give IC a lot of credit. They made UC turn the ball over in the second half and get the win. AU looked good as well last week, but I think we learned a lot about Springfield last week.

Another big weekend in the E8. There was a great article in the Ithaca newspaper this week about how a few years ago, the league was a one or two team league, but now all of the teams are real test. No matter who you are playing. Especially with Utica looking like they are about to arrive as a real contender in the conference. The Out of conference record for the E8 is pretty impressive when you look at it. Makes for a lot of entertaining weekends. I just hope Fisher will be able to keep up.

When Utica learns how to play a second half they will be pretty ****in nasty!

[lewdogg11]

Wow I took a little vacation and I missed a whole lot in the world of Division III football. I was very disappointed with Fisher last week against Salisbury, but now they have a week off to get healthy and get ready for the big run in conference play.

I was very impressed with Utica even tho they lost, but give IC a lot of credit. They made UC turn the ball over in the second half and get the win. AU looked good as well last week, but I think we learned a lot about Springfield last week.

Another big weekend in the E8. There was a great article in the Ithaca newspaper this week about how a few years ago, the league was a one or two team league, but now all of the teams are real test. No matter who you are playing. Especially with Utica looking like they are about to arrive as a real contender in the conference. The Out of conference record for the E8 is pretty impressive when you look at it. Makes for a lot of entertaining weekends. I just hope Fisher will be able to keep up.

When Utica learns how to play a second half they will be pretty ****in nasty!

It's the losing mentality.  I think it takes a few years of success to shed that.

[maxpower]

That poll's gettin' old.... I put it up, anyone know if I can take it down?

[dewcrew88]

That poll's gettin' old.... I put it up, anyone know if I can take it down?

should be able to...

[maxpower]

Can't figure it out.



Also, for anyone that can't listen to the IC-Wick game for whatever reason, IC's live stats are up here:

http://www.sidearmstats.com/ithaca/football/

[Saxon73]

SC spanks UC - The plot thickens.  This is an exciting season.

[maxpower]

Ithaca eeks out yet another win.... at this point it looks like the Bombers either:

1) Can't recover from all their injuries.

2) Play to the level of their opponents.

3) Suck.


None of these bode well for the long term....

Sorry to be so negative after a win, but when it mattered Hartwick drove easily and IC couldn't. If it weren't for the 4 picks this game might have been backwards.

Also, not trying to take anything away from Hartwick, they showed a lot of heart and talent.

[BoSox0322]

Ithaca eeks out yet another win.... at this point it looks like the Bombers either:

1) Can't recover from all their injuries.

2) Play to the level of their opponents.

3) Suck.


None of these bode well for the long term....

Sorry to be so negative after a win, but when it mattered Hartwick drove easily and IC couldn't. If it weren't for the 4 picks this game might have been backwards.

Also, not trying to take anything away from Hartwick, they showed a lot of heart and talent.

maybe ithaca is just not very good?.. I mean if hartwick sucks so bad and they can only win by 4

[Bombers798891]

Ithaca eeks out yet another win.... at this point it looks like the Bombers either:

1) Can't recover from all their injuries.

2) Play to the level of their opponents.

3) Suck.


None of these bode well for the long term....

Sorry to be so negative after a win, but when it mattered Hartwick drove easily and IC couldn't. If it weren't for the 4 picks this game might have been backwards.

Also, not trying to take anything away from Hartwick, they showed a lot of heart and talent.

maybe ithaca is just not very good?.. I mean if hartwick sucks so bad and they can only win by 4

In fairness, teams tend to struggle when they rely on their 3rd string RB. Grastorf continues to look good however. Also, Ithaca's played four of their five games on the road this year, which is never easy.

Who said Hartwick sucks? We simply said that beating a lineup of cruddy teams wasn't the greatest barometer for judging how good they were, and that this week would be a much different game. It was. Hartwick almost pulled it off, but IC made the plays when they had to.

I don't think Ithaca sucks. I think there are major concerns for the Bombers. They don't run the ball well (Bergerstock is only averaging 3.6 YPC), and, despite the 13 INT's, the pass coverage isn't all it should be.

Overall, this is probably a team not unlike a lot of Welch's teams. Good, but with enough flaws to keep them from being a real power. They'll likely go 8-2/7-3 on the season, and depending on where those losses come from, maybe sneak into the playoffs. That's kind of how things go up here now, but that's ok.