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[maxpower]

As far as a rivalry, Fisher football players would agree that it is Alfred

When I was there (not too long ago) there was bigger disdain for UR than AU or any other team...

 

I don't know.... if a rivalry can't stay the same among teammates or generations, I think it hardly qualifies. We really need a word for something that is, like, a temporary rivalry because of certain events, not because of deep-seated hatred (i.e. Sox-Rays in the 2000's, or even SJF-IC now...)

[fishfan]

The only disdain now is Vosberg vs Foster. Not much of a rivalry any more.

[dlippiel]

Q,

Just curious on how you, and the other IC faithful, see the SJF game compared to the Cortaca game?

Is it just a conference rivalry?

Does it have the chance to equal it if SJF keeps up their success as a program and vs IC?

Good question upstate but in dlip's mind he can only relate IC/CS to Union/RPI. Each year when we play Bart it is a huge game, always very important. Yet nothing, ****ing no competition on this earth compares to the Union/RPI rivalry in dlip's mind no matter how many times we play Bart, U of R, and even IC. dlip is a hardcore Yanks fan but always says he would dress like ****ing Yaz and go to Yankee stadium before he ever, ever, put on anything that said RPI on it. Maybe IC and CS fans may feel the same about their rivalry and how nothing can ever touch it. dlip thinks SJF/IC may be similar to Union/Bart in that the games are always important, serious, and have history but just isn't the same as playing that main rival.

dlip, curious about how you see Yanks-Sox.... I've always thrown out there the working belief that it wasn't really a rivalry until '04; for a rivalry, you need one team to not win all the time. Plus, even though Sox fans have always hated Yankees fans, in the past five years the animosity the other way has quadrupled. Is Yanks-Sox pre-2004, the first time the Sox EVER beat the Yankees in postseason play....

On the other hand, there had to have been SOMETHING there.... otherwise '04 just would have been a big feat and not the hate-fest that it was....

Well to begin with Dustin Pedroia is dlip's favorite player. dlip is honestly happy for the sox and there success. Yet the rivalry really heated up for him when he went to UVM and on his first day of classes saw ****in 48 Yankees suck T-shirts. That really pissed dlip off. dlip feels it is a great rivalry and respects both teams tremendously. He gets annoyed with sox fans but always respects their loyalty and fire. Lots of respect.

[theoriginalupstate]

The only disdain now is Vosberg vs Foster. Not much of a rivalry any more.

I was pre-courage bowl and Foster was our OC...

[union89]

Butterfield's widow Lois Butterfield (whose seat at the Stadium is painted with a marker that says "the Big L sits here") wrote a book about Butterfield and his glory days at IC.



I think you can buy it online through the IC Bookstore, or maybe even through Amazon.

www.thebutterfieldbook.com

It is pretty good and probably recaps some games you played in 89.  The only downside is that The Big L doesn't really use a single name in any of her stories so it can be a little hard to keep up with.

Pep bought a copy and read it on one of his Habitat bus trips to Florida. 'Twas a great read for Pep, who was around for IC's glory years and recalls watching IC in the Stagg Bowl on TV. But more importantly, Alfred was on the IC schedule for many of those years and Lois included references to the oddities of Alfred (i.e., both team benches on the same side at Merrill Field, a boring 3-3 defensive stalemate at South Hill Field in 1976, the Saxons beating IC when Coach was late getting to Merrill Field from his induction into the University of Maine Sports Hall of Fame.).

What was most timely, however, was Lois' writing about his last days and his battle with Alzheimer's, as Pep's mom, a secretary at AU for 30 years, at that time was suffering from Alzheimer's.

Pep still has yet to meet The Big L...does she still go to games?

I am looking forward to the read....he was a pretty amazing guy.

[Saxon73]

Butterfield's widow Lois Butterfield (whose seat at the Stadium is painted with a marker that says "the Big L sits here") wrote a book about Butterfield and his glory days at IC.



I think you can buy it online through the IC Bookstore, or maybe even through Amazon.

www.thebutterfieldbook.com

It is pretty good and probably recaps some games you played in 89.  The only downside is that The Big L doesn't really use a single name in any of her stories so it can be a little hard to keep up with.

Pep bought a copy and read it on one of his Habitat bus trips to Florida. 'Twas a great read for Pep, who was around for IC's glory years and recalls watching IC in the Stagg Bowl on TV. But more importantly, Alfred was on the IC schedule for many of those years and Lois included references to the oddities of Alfred (i.e., both team benches on the same side at Merrill Field, a boring 3-3 defensive stalemate at South Hill Field in 1976, the Saxons beating IC when Coach was late getting to Merrill Field from his induction into the University of Maine Sports Hall of Fame.).

What was most timely, however, was Lois' writing about his last days and his battle with Alzheimer's, as Pep's mom, a secretary at AU for 30 years, at that time was suffering from Alzheimer's.

Pep still has yet to meet The Big L...does she still go to games?

I am looking forward to the read....he was a pretty amazing guy.

Truly an amazing story.  One can only wish we had more wisdom from the past.  If we had a history of Alex Yunevich, AU's ~ 40 year coach with an ~70 % win record, all could appreciate a similar amazing story.

Pep can fill in the blanks but, I took a nontechnichal elective class from Coach Yunivech on football coaching.  His philosophy was basically keep things simple - execute.  He did have some tricks up his sleeve as when one year he told Hobart that AU did not get their home uniforms back from the "laundry" so he asked Hobart to wear their "home" uniforms.  The idea being that if Hobart wore their white uniforms then AU could see the ball better when Hobart ran the ball.  Just one anectdote of a possible story.

[maxpower]

Butterfield's widow Lois Butterfield (whose seat at the Stadium is painted with a marker that says "the Big L sits here") wrote a book about Butterfield and his glory days at IC.



I think you can buy it online through the IC Bookstore, or maybe even through Amazon.

www.thebutterfieldbook.com

It is pretty good and probably recaps some games you played in 89.  The only downside is that The Big L doesn't really use a single name in any of her stories so it can be a little hard to keep up with.

Pep bought a copy and read it on one of his Habitat bus trips to Florida. 'Twas a great read for Pep, who was around for IC's glory years and recalls watching IC in the Stagg Bowl on TV. But more importantly, Alfred was on the IC schedule for many of those years and Lois included references to the oddities of Alfred (i.e., both team benches on the same side at Merrill Field, a boring 3-3 defensive stalemate at South Hill Field in 1976, the Saxons beating IC when Coach was late getting to Merrill Field from his induction into the University of Maine Sports Hall of Fame.).

What was most timely, however, was Lois' writing about his last days and his battle with Alzheimer's, as Pep's mom, a secretary at AU for 30 years, at that time was suffering from Alzheimer's.

Pep still has yet to meet The Big L...does she still go to games?

I am looking forward to the read....he was a pretty amazing guy.

Truly an amazing story.  One can only wish we had more wisdom from the past.  If we had a history of Alex Yunevich, AU's ~ 40 year coach with an ~70 % win record, all could appreciate a similar amazing story.

Pep can fill in the blanks but, I took a nontechnichal elective class from Coach Yunivech on football coaching.  His philosophy was basically keep things simple - execute.  He did have some tricks up his sleeve as when one year he told Hobart that AU did not get their home uniforms back from the "laundry" so he asked Hobart to wear their "home" uniforms.  The idea being that if Hobart wore their white uniforms then AU could see the ball better when Hobart ran the ball.  Just one anectdote of a possible story.

Why Hobart? Wouldn't this be true of any game, any time?

[sjfcards]

As far as a rivalry, Fisher football players would agree that it is Alfred

When I was there (not too long ago) there was bigger disdain for UR than AU or any other team...

 

When I was in school I hung around with some football players and they certainly seemed to feel like U of R was the true rival on the schedule. Don't get me wrong, they wanted to beat Ithaca (something they never did when I was in schol) more than they say wanted to beat Kings, but they really got up for the U of R week.

I feel sometimes like IC fans make more of the rivalry with Fisher than I feel it is, but maybe things have changed since I was on campus. I think the U of R game could become a good rivalry, maybe not Cortaca like but a nice little rivalry. It has all the ingredients (Local teams, close proximity, similar recruiting base, a trophy).

[theoriginalupstate]

As far as a rivalry, Fisher football players would agree that it is Alfred

When I was there (not too long ago) there was bigger disdain for UR than AU or any other team...

 

When I was in school I hung around with some football players and they certainly seemed to feel like U of R was the true rival on the schedule. Don't get me wrong, they wanted to beat Ithaca (something they never did when I was in schol) more than they say wanted to beat Kings, but they really got up for the U of R week.

I feel sometimes like IC fans make more of the rivalry with Fisher than I feel it is, but maybe things have changed since I was on campus. I think the U of R game could become a good rivalry, maybe not Cortaca like but a nice little rivalry. It has all the ingredients (Local teams, close proximity, similar recruiting base, a trophy).

Plus they always play in front of a pretty good size and spirited crowd (5-6K)...

U of R was the team we always wanted to beat out of conference.  They (UR) always had this elitist attitude like they were some kind of IVY league school and they were better than us just because they were U of R.  Don't get me wrong they are a great school but they think they are bigger and better than they really are...

[Saxon73]

Butterfield's widow Lois Butterfield (whose seat at the Stadium is painted with a marker that says "the Big L sits here") wrote a book about Butterfield and his glory days at IC.



I think you can buy it online through the IC Bookstore, or maybe even through Amazon.

www.thebutterfieldbook.com

It is pretty good and probably recaps some games you played in 89.  The only downside is that The Big L doesn't really use a single name in any of her stories so it can be a little hard to keep up with.

Pep bought a copy and read it on one of his Habitat bus trips to Florida. 'Twas a great read for Pep, who was around for IC's glory years and recalls watching IC in the Stagg Bowl on TV. But more importantly, Alfred was on the IC schedule for many of those years and Lois included references to the oddities of Alfred (i.e., both team benches on the same side at Merrill Field, a boring 3-3 defensive stalemate at South Hill Field in 1976, the Saxons beating IC when Coach was late getting to Merrill Field from his induction into the University of Maine Sports Hall of Fame.).

What was most timely, however, was Lois' writing about his last days and his battle with Alzheimer's, as Pep's mom, a secretary at AU for 30 years, at that time was suffering from Alzheimer's.

Pep still has yet to meet The Big L...does she still go to games?

I am looking forward to the read....he was a pretty amazing guy.

Truly an amazing story.  One can only wish we had more wisdom from the past.  If we had a history of Alex Yunevich, AU's ~ 40 year coach with an ~70 % win record, all could appreciate a similar amazing story.

Pep can fill in the blanks but, I took a nontechnichal elective class from Coach Yunivech on football coaching.  His philosophy was basically keep things simple - execute.  He did have some tricks up his sleeve as when one year he told Hobart that AU did not get their home uniforms back from the "laundry" so he asked Hobart to wear their "home" uniforms.  The idea being that if Hobart wore their white uniforms then AU could see the ball better when Hobart ran the ball.  Just one anectdote of a possible story.

Why Hobart? Wouldn't this be true of any game, any time?

The color of the "pumpkins" uniform would hide the ball better with their "away" uniforms.  This was not a common occurence to ask the "away" team to wear their "home" uniforms at an away game.

Just trying to convey a wiley approach to the game by a long term successfull coach.

[sjfcards]

I need to know if I am alone in this, but the closer and closer we get into the week, I am more and more concerned about the Utica game. For some reason, this just reminds me of last years game against Hartwick. Coming off a big win, with a tough game the following week, I just feel like Fisher will have their hands full this week. Someone please make me feel better about this.

[Saxon73]

SJFCards,

I think you'll be OK

[sjfcards]

SJFCards,

I think you'll be OK

Thanks that makes me feel better.

[HScoach]

Thanks for the info on SJF's improvement.  Hopefully your freshman RB turns out to be a 4 yr stud.

[Saxon73]

SJFCards,

I think you'll be OK

Thanks that makes me feel better.

SJFCards,

Happy to attempt reality.  No disrespect to UC as I grew up 7 miles from there but it's still early. They will be there.