FB: Empire 8

[sjfcards]

Well time to get a good buzz and get ready for the weekend. Go Fisher Beat Utica...GO Irish Beat SC...

[AUPepBand]

Hmmmm, never heard that before, interesting.....I wonder why that is?  

I don't really see the harm in sending a Jr. staff member, the week before to scout an opponent.

Pep found an NCAA regulation governing "Conduct and Employment of Athletics Personnel" (Bylaw 11) that stated:
10.  Limitations on Scouting of Opponent
a. Bylaws 11.6.1, 11.6.2, 11.6.3, 11.6.4
b. Basketball, football and women's volleyball - not permitted....

Also, for purposes of the NCAA Division III Championships, Live scouting is prohibited during all rounds of NCAA championship play.

Interesting...

Might want to tell assistants to lighten up on the AU gear when going there with a pad of paper and writing instrument then...

Pep told them they probably should "dress down" if they were going...but they wouldn't listen.

[Saxon73]

SJFCards,

Can't pick a dog in this fight.  Lived in L.A. and got sick of hearing about S.C. and John McKay (70's).  I gues N. D. is a more "Eastern" team but I am totally Penn St. and Joe Paterno, a truly exemplary program. !

[maxpower]

Saxon-

As a former San Diego resident, i would say that living in SoCal should give you every reason in the world to root AGAINST SC.

[XDragon59]

My point being that new recruits WILL know about Cortland... hell i knew about Cortaca before I applied to Ithaca...

True, but what are we telling players about Cortaca? We gotta get them back for beating the 2006 team which finished 7-3? We need to keep the two-year streak of victory alive? This team stands between us and greatness?

The ironic thing about Cortaca to me is that, once it started being a competitive rivalry around 1996, Ithaca stopped being the Ithaca they once were. It also doesn't help that Cortland's never really been a great program. I think the rivalry is a bit manufactured by proximity and the Jug. Too often recently, it's been a game without playoff implications between two teams not really doing much nationally.

That's why last year's Curry game was so disappointing. Here was a chance to really have Cortaca have something extra riding on it. A game played between the two best teams in the East, winner take all.

How was it winner take all with the NJAC title locked up?  Your revisionist history fails to see how you got beat by Curry who in turn was destroyed by Cortland a week later.  Yes you had a great program but the fact is now both schools play football that is very equal with the higher ceiling being Cortlands's especially with the influence of the Jets on their campus.

[Pat Coleman]

Hmmmm, never heard that before, interesting.....I wonder why that is? 

I don't really see the harm in sending a Jr. staff member, the week before to scout an opponent.

Pep found an NCAA regulation governing "Conduct and Employment of Athletics Personnel" (Bylaw 11) that stated:
10.  Limitations on Scouting of Opponent
a. Bylaws 11.6.1, 11.6.2, 11.6.3, 11.6.4
b. Basketball, football and women's volleyball - not permitted....

Also, for purposes of the NCAA Division III Football Championship Tournament, Live scouting is prohibited during all rounds of NCAA championship play.

Pep found a regulation but didn't actually read it.

Member institutions shall not scout any opponents other than those participating in official games or exhibition contests (not scrimmages) played during the traditional segment of the playing season. (Adopted: 1/10/92, Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)

AKA you can't live-scout a scrimmage. The NCAA does not have any rule against live-scouting regular season games.

Perhaps the Empire 8 has such a rule regarding conference teams, but the NCAA does not regulate this area.

[Jonny Utah]

Hmmmm, never heard that before, interesting.....I wonder why that is? 

I don't really see the harm in sending a Jr. staff member, the week before to scout an opponent.

Pep found an NCAA regulation governing "Conduct and Employment of Athletics Personnel" (Bylaw 11) that stated:
10.  Limitations on Scouting of Opponent
a. Bylaws 11.6.1, 11.6.2, 11.6.3, 11.6.4
b. Basketball, football and women's volleyball - not permitted....

Also, for purposes of the NCAA Division III Football Championship Tournament, Live scouting is prohibited during all rounds of NCAA championship play.

Pep found a regulation but didn't actually read it.

Member institutions shall not scout any opponents other than those participating in official games or exhibition contests (not scrimmages) played during the traditional segment of the playing season. (Adopted: 1/10/92, Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)

AKA you can't live-scout a scrimmage. The NCAA does not have any rule against live-scouting regular season games.

Perhaps the Empire 8 has such a rule regarding conference teams, but the NCAA does not regulate this area.

Im pretty sure the league still allows it too.  Up untill a few years ago I know a few E8 teams that live scouted.  Ithaca would send two scouts (JV coaches usually) to the game of the team they were playing the next week.  They would have an outline of things they would look for to scout.  A lot of it was during the pregame too like how far the kickers can kick it and things like that.  Coach Welch actually taught a football scouting class (.5 credits). 

[pumkinattack]

My point being that new recruits WILL know about Cortland... hell i knew about Cortaca before I applied to Ithaca...

True, but what are we telling players about Cortaca? We gotta get them back for beating the 2006 team which finished 7-3? We need to keep the two-year streak of victory alive? This team stands between us and greatness?

The ironic thing about Cortaca to me is that, once it started being a competitive rivalry around 1996, Ithaca stopped being the Ithaca they once were. It also doesn't help that Cortland's never really been a great program. I think the rivalry is a bit manufactured by proximity and the Jug. Too often recently, it's been a game without playoff implications between two teams not really doing much nationally.

That's why last year's Curry game was so disappointing. Here was a chance to really have Cortaca have something extra riding on it. A game played between the two best teams in the East, winner take all.

How was it winner take all with the NJAC title locked up?  Your revisionist history fails to see how you got beat by Curry who in turn was destroyed by Cortland a week later.  Yes you had a great program but the fact is now both schools play football that is very equal with the higher ceiling being Cortlands's especially with the influence of the Jets on their campus.

I can't believe anyone from IC didn't jump on the reading fundamentals here.  Bombers was saying the Curry loss was disappointing because it meant that IC/Cortland would not be able to play a game between the year's two "best" teams in the east (although given that it was the second round, Hobart might've still been in the discussion since they also would lose to MUC).  As far as the ceiling and the jets, isn't cortland's ceiling dictated more by the piss poor state finances and the fact that you'll always be underfunded relative to the four university's?  Fisher hasn't improved with the Bills, so I think that line of logic is wishful thinking and pretty fallacious.  IC's has no theoretical ceiling because it's not constrained by the rules of a state institution. 

In fact, I think Bombers perspective is interesting. College sports (of any meaning) are basically a century old (and really post WWII), so I wonder, as the next century and our culture evolves, what will happen with rivalries and how past history will change. 

[sjfcards]

Saxon-

As a former San Diego resident, i would say that living in SoCal should give you every reason in the world to root AGAINST SC.

Word...I lived in LA for a few years and SC talk made me want to put my head in an oven. I am a big ND fan, so that made it even worse. It was cool going to the games, but it was a nightmare hearing about them all the time.

[union89]

Hmmmm, never heard that before, interesting.....I wonder why that is?  

I don't really see the harm in sending a Jr. staff member, the week before to scout an opponent.

Pep found an NCAA regulation governing "Conduct and Employment of Athletics Personnel" (Bylaw 11) that stated:
10.  Limitations on Scouting of Opponent
a. Bylaws 11.6.1, 11.6.2, 11.6.3, 11.6.4
b. Basketball, football and women's volleyball - not permitted....

Also, for purposes of the NCAA Division III Football Championship Tournament, Live scouting is prohibited during all rounds of NCAA championship play.

Pep found a regulation but didn't actually read it.

Member institutions shall not scout any opponents other than those participating in official games or exhibition contests (not scrimmages) played during the traditional segment of the playing season. (Adopted: 1/10/92, Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)

AKA you can't live-scout a scrimmage. The NCAA does not have any rule against live-scouting regular season games.

Perhaps the Empire 8 has such a rule regarding conference teams, but the NCAA does not regulate this area.

Pep, must -K for his, misinformation.....sorry pal.

[Saxon73]

Saxon-

As a former San Diego resident, i would say that living in SoCal should give you every reason in the world to root AGAINST SC.

Max,

I guess if I really, really had to choose - you are right  

p.s.  Still,  a big Penn St. fan having lived in that area also for several years and experienced all that surrounds a great univversity.  i.e.  Joe Paterno and his wife have donated a few million dollars to the university library system.

[theoriginalupstate]

Fisher hasn't improved with the Bills, so I think that line of logic is wishful thinking and pretty fallacious.

Please elaborate a bit more with this...

[theoriginalupstate]

Previews for tonight's SJF/UC game...

Utica OD:
http://www.uticaod.com/sports/x1579579354/Utica-College-Dixon-prepare-for-Fisher
-Safety Sean Dixon on facing SJF's Offense:
"We think we match up real well," said Dixon, who has 31 tackles, one for a loss, an interception and a caused fumble this season and 113 tackles in his career. "We have to control the run and make them pass. I feel our D-backs can line up with them."

Rochester D&C:
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20091017/SPORTS09/910170337/1007/SPORTS/St.-John-Fisher-takes-on-upstart-Utica-squad-

QB Tim Bailey on facing Coach Faggiano:
"He knows what we run and what we do on both sides of the ball," Bailey said. "It's going to come down to who runs their plays the best."

[sjfcards]

Fisher hasn't improved with the Bills, so I think that line of logic is wishful thinking and pretty fallacious.

Please elaborate a bit more with this...

I have to question his statement as well. Fisher was a 1 win a year team before the bills came.

[Saxon73]

Out of curiousity, can someone explain how the Bills decided on Fisher ?