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[boobyhasgameyo]

Overrated.

6yds a carry and 12 TDs as a freshman is overrated?

God if IC had anyone that came in and did that they would be the second coming of Christ himself...

You know, I really don't think so.

Stopped taking anything serious after you said that...

You guys were all jizzing your pants with Donovan...

He turned out to have a disappointing career after his much ballyhooed initial campaign as a Bomber...

Besides IC coaches were the ones who were saying he was better than Robby, I just said he could have a Robinson like career...

I'll do you one better Upstate, some of the Ithaca posters were spouting off about Bergerstock when he burst onto the scene last year and had some big games...Also I still have trouble correlating how fans enthusiasm over new talent translates in any way towards future success of an actual football program.  As if what we say or think has any tangible effect. 

Bergerstock was a product of his offensive line last season. Those guys are gone now and the running game has gone in the toilet this season.

That may be so but I specifically remember Tecmo making a reference comparing his running style to Robbie's (which is ironic because now Tecmo is getting on Fisher people for comparing Zemaitis to him) and I am fairly certain you were talking very favorably about him last year as well Bombers...Which is fine because I understand getting excited about new talent coming through.  But when Tecmo somehow sees this as a potential sign that the entire Fisher program will be nothing in a few years and talking about the "glory days" with the likes of Brockport...that's one of the more ridiculous/hypocritical arguments I've heard.  

[Bombers798891]

Bombers, I never said he was a disgrace.  I said he was a disappointment compared to the amount of praise and expectations that followed his initial campaign. 

He was a good back, no question about it.  However the way the Bomber faithful reacted to his first season people would have though he was the second coming of RJ Bowers...

I know, I was being facetious and wasn't specifically calling you out, although I quoted you, it was mostly a general feeling I got from being in Ithaca all these years. The point is, to the same extent that people were going crazy over him as a freshman, they gave him flak for not living up to that expectation, and they acted like he turned into Caleb Greer Carney or Ryan Carpenter. It was an overreaction.

I think the larger lesson here is to just be patient with a guy

[tecmobowler]

Not sure who you think I compared to Robinson of the IC backs... I only saw two games last year, and Bergerstock wasn't impressive in either.  Donovan had a much different running style than Robinson, so I can't imagine I'd make that comparison either.

I was guilty, however, of thinking Donovan would be the second coming of RJ Bowers.  He was a complete man amongst the boys until his body fell apart on him. 

My belief that Fisher will be Brockport 2.0 has nothing to do with the needy Fisher posters on here, but rather the direction I've seen their program go in the past few years.  They are a mere shell of what they were a few years ago.  And while you guys quote anonymous IC coaches who think your RB is a superstar, I've talked to more than one Fisher player who thinks the program is heading for the ranks of mediocrity.

Bedtime! Night boys!

[boobyhasgameyo]

Surprised a lot of the concern and discussion about IC involved running backs last night.  I think we're going to be just fine at that position.  Bergerstock showed the ability to turn the corner, and seems to have the skill our board friend Runnin Robbie was so adept at, falling forward for those extra yards at the point of tackle.  Glad to see Crandall getting a shot too... first team all state as a senior a couple years back, I've been hoping to see him in action.

Goodnight Tecmo

[Bombers798891]

Overrated.

6yds a carry and 12 TDs as a freshman is overrated?

God if IC had anyone that came in and did that they would be the second coming of Christ himself...

You know, I really don't think so.

Stopped taking anything serious after you said that...

You guys were all jizzing your pants with Donovan...

He turned out to have a disappointing career after his much ballyhooed initial campaign as a Bomber...

Besides IC coaches were the ones who were saying he was better than Robby, I just said he could have a Robinson like career...

I'll do you one better Upstate, some of the Ithaca posters were spouting off about Bergerstock when he burst onto the scene last year and had some big games...Also I still have trouble correlating how fans enthusiasm over new talent translates in any way towards future success of an actual football program.  As if what we say or think has any tangible effect. 

Bergerstock was a product of his offensive line last season. Those guys are gone now and the running game has gone in the toilet this season.

That may be so but I specifically remember Tecmo making a reference comparing his running style to Robbie's (which is ironic because now Tecmo is getting on Fisher people for comparing Zemaitis to him) and I am fairly certain you were talking very favorably about him last year as well Bombers...Which is fine because I understand getting excited about new talent coming through.  But when Tecmo somehow sees this as a potential sign that the entire Fisher program will be nothing in a few years and talking about the "glory days" with the likes of Brockport...that's one of the more ridiculous/hypocritical arguments I've heard.  

As far as Bergerstock goes, look, sometimes things have to change to show the impact things had. Last season, Bergerstock looked great. This season he's struggled, and you can just see the holes aren't there. I admit I thought he was great last season, but I've heard enough to realize that was probably a mirage. Things change.

As far as the Fisher "glory days" go, eh. Look, I think Fisher's an excellent team. Are they as good as they were with Robinson? Maybe not, but so what? Ithaca had two seasons in which they had the most prolific QB and RB in school history in the same backfield and they didn't win a single NCAA game, let alone a return to the glory days of Bomber football.

Very few players ever have THAT kind of impact on a team.  I don't think any Fisher fans are acting that way. They're excited, but they've always struck me on here as very grounded and too intelligent for that

[theoriginalupstate]

Not sure who you think I compared to Robinson of the IC backs... I only saw two games last year, and Bergerstock wasn't impressive in either.  Donovan had a much different running style than Robinson, so I can't imagine I'd make that comparison either.

I was guilty, however, of thinking Donovan would be the second coming of RJ Bowers.  He was a complete man amongst the boys until his body fell apart on him. 

My belief that Fisher will be Brockport 2.0 has nothing to do with the needy Fisher posters on here, but rather the direction I've seen their program go in the past few years.  They are a mere shell of what they were a few years ago.  And while you guys quote anonymous IC coaches who think your RB is a superstar, I've talked to more than one Fisher player who thinks the program is heading for the ranks of mediocrity.

Bedtime! Night boys!

I've heard this as well that's why I've been holding off on tooting SJF's horn as the perennial regional power that has surpassed Ithaca...

I've said it before, SJF has to get through another recruiting class and make the NCAA's a few times now that they are in the post Faggiano era...

It just seems like SJF is moving away from what got them there with the type of players they are bringing in...

I will add this, unless they gets over themselves with their recruiting efforts Ithaca isn't even going to be Ithaca...

[Bombers798891]

Not sure who you think I compared to Robinson of the IC backs... I only saw two games last year, and Bergerstock wasn't impressive in either.  Donovan had a much different running style than Robinson, so I can't imagine I'd make that comparison either.

I was guilty, however, of thinking Donovan would be the second coming of RJ Bowers.  He was a complete man amongst the boys until his body fell apart on him. 

My belief that Fisher will be Brockport 2.0 has nothing to do with the needy Fisher posters on here, but rather the direction I've seen their program go in the past few years.  They are a mere shell of what they were a few years ago.  And while you guys quote anonymous IC coaches who think your RB is a superstar, I've talked to more than one Fisher player who thinks the program is heading for the ranks of mediocrity.

Bedtime! Night boys!

I've heard this as well that's why I've been holding off on tooting SJF's horn as the perennial regional power that has surpassed Ithaca...

I've said it before, SJF has to get through another recruiting class and make the NCAA's a few times now that they are in the post Faggiano era...

It just seems like SJF is moving away from what got them there with the type of players they are bringing in...

I will add this, unless they gets over themselves with their recruiting efforts Ithaca isn't even going to be Ithaca...

It's not even a matter of Fisher sliding back to mediocrity. Expecting a team to go 12-2 and to the NCAA semis every year is pretty unrealistic. So it's not like Fisher failing to do that is somehow a disappointment. Since when is there shame in going 8-2/7-3 every season? You know, like Ithaca's done since 1996...

Sure, if they go to 5-5, that'll be a shock, but uh, in case we haven't noticed, Ithaca's staring down the barrel of a 5-5 too. If Ithaca played Fisher's OOC schedule this season, they'd finish no better, and likely worse.

Welch has said this was his best recruiting class ever. Funny how that's turned into what could be his worst team ever. Granted, we won't fully see the results for a couple of years, but are any of those guys making any impact this season?

[SJFF82]

Overrated.

6yds a carry and 12 TDs as a freshman is overrated?

God if IC had anyone that came in and did that they would be the second coming of Christ himself...

You know, I really don't think so.  Perhaps that's where lies the difference between a program who has been threre before, to one who has a quick pop for a few years because they're hoping T.O. will give them his cleats.  

I'm happy your Freshman had two good games against a horrendous tackling IC defense, and mighty Utica.  Getting giddy over the opportunity to give a guy a nickname who has played a few good quarters though, comparing him to Robinson who was a stud for years... it just smells a stench of folks who come and go... the Brockport folks would get all jazzed up after a game or two as well.  Maybe you guys can reminisce together about the good old days in a few years.  

Sounds Like Viper helped you write this.  It has no facts, smacks of hypocracy and isnt even consistent from one paragraph to the next.  Has Fisher come and gone already?  If so, arent you acknowledging that IC isnt even on the map anymore?  Brockport may have beaten IC multiple times, but did they spank them like SJF does?

Fisher has one season since its rise at 7-4 (wherein it spanked IC again) and it is a shooting star.  7-4 is what IC shoots for now in its quest for winning seasons.  

If Fisher has to meet your's and Viper's standards which are a ceiling that rises beyond reach everytime we beat you by 3 tds , to be consisdered a power program, then how long can a team that goes 8-3 at best every year hang onto a championship that occurred in the year that Mark Rypien was superbowl MVP (Viper, let me help you out....you were 11 years old) ?  It's been 3 years now of hearing Viper cry that Fisher is not a power....yet.  Please Q, let us know what year of beating IC every year it will be, so we can leave it alone till then.

[SJFF82]

Not sure who you think I compared to Robinson of the IC backs... I only saw two games last year, and Bergerstock wasn't impressive in either.  Donovan had a much different running style than Robinson, so I can't imagine I'd make that comparison either.

I was guilty, however, of thinking Donovan would be the second coming of RJ Bowers.  He was a complete man amongst the boys until his body fell apart on him. 

My belief that Fisher will be Brockport 2.0 has nothing to do with the needy Fisher posters on here, but rather the direction I've seen their program go in the past few years.  They are a mere shell of what they were a few years ago.  And while you guys quote anonymous IC coaches who think your RB is a superstar, I've talked to more than one Fisher player who thinks the program is heading for the ranks of mediocrity.

Bedtime! Night boys!

I've heard this as well that's why I've been holding off on tooting SJF's horn as the perennial regional power that has surpassed Ithaca...

I've said it before, SJF has to get through another recruiting class and make the NCAA's a few times now that they are in the post Faggiano era...

It just seems like SJF is moving away from what got them there with the type of players they are bringing in...

I will add this, unless they gets over themselves with their recruiting efforts Ithaca isn't even going to be Ithaca...

It's not even a matter of Fisher sliding back to mediocrity. Expecting a team to go 12-2 and to the NCAA semis every year is pretty unrealistic. So it's not like Fisher failing to do that is somehow a disappointment. Since when is there shame in going 8-2/7-3 every season? You know, like Ithaca's done since 1996...

Sure, if they go to 5-5, that'll be a shock, but uh, in case we haven't noticed, Ithaca's staring down the barrel of a 5-5 too. If Ithaca played Fisher's OOC schedule this season, they'd finish no better, and likely worse.

Welch has said this was his best recruiting class ever. Funny how that's turned into what could be his worst team ever. Granted, we won't fully see the results for a couple of years, but are any of those guys making any impact this season?

The only IC poster who is honest....ha this coming from the poster boy of Fisher posters....

[theoriginalupstate]

It's not even a matter of Fisher sliding back to mediocrity. Expecting a team to go 12-2 and to the NCAA semis every year is pretty unrealistic. So it's not like Fisher failing to do that is somehow a disappointment. Since when is there shame in going 8-2/7-3 every season? You know, like Ithaca's done since 1996...

Sure, if they go to 5-5, that'll be a shock, but uh, in case we haven't noticed, Ithaca's staring down the barrel of a 5-5 too. If Ithaca played Fisher's OOC schedule this season, they'd finish no better, and likely worse.

Welch has said this was his best recruiting class ever. Funny how that's turned into what could be his worst team ever. Granted, we won't fully see the results for a couple of years, but are any of those guys making any impact this season?

I never have those crazy high expectations of going to the Regional Finals year in and year out...

However I do expect them to get 7-8 wins regularly and sprinkle in some NCAA appearances with ECAC appearances...

Regarding recruiting, from 2001-2004 SJF had a stud freshman come in and make an impact.   Those kids were the corner stones of the program. Then they went on a drought from 2005-2008 and that's a big reason why the past two season they have haven't been that consistent...

That's part of the reason why SJF fans are so excited about Zemaitis, he has pretty good bloodlines and has been pretty productive when given the chance.  Here is a game by game list of the number of carries, yards and TDs for him: 5-11yds, 7-82-2, 12-37-1, 8-8-1, 18-178-5, 21-120-3...

The kid needs the ball, no more Senior politics and being all nice to make sure you don't hurt people's feelings. There is no reason why any other RB, except a blow out, should even be getting 10 carries with Zemaitis.  If you want to bring in other guys on 3rd down and other passing situations that's fine but hook the wagon up to the kid and see what he's got...

[SJFF82]

Upstate: pm

[Bombers798891]

It's not even a matter of Fisher sliding back to mediocrity. Expecting a team to go 12-2 and to the NCAA semis every year is pretty unrealistic. So it's not like Fisher failing to do that is somehow a disappointment. Since when is there shame in going 8-2/7-3 every season? You know, like Ithaca's done since 1996...

Sure, if they go to 5-5, that'll be a shock, but uh, in case we haven't noticed, Ithaca's staring down the barrel of a 5-5 too. If Ithaca played Fisher's OOC schedule this season, they'd finish no better, and likely worse.

Welch has said this was his best recruiting class ever. Funny how that's turned into what could be his worst team ever. Granted, we won't fully see the results for a couple of years, but are any of those guys making any impact this season?

I never have those crazy high expectations of going to the Regional Finals year in and year out...

However I do expect them to get 7-8 wins regularly and sprinkle in some NCAA appearances with ECAC appearances...

Regarding recruiting, from 2001-2004 SJF had a stud freshman come in and make an impact.   Those kids were the corner stones of the program. Then they went on a drought from 2005-2008 and that's a big reason why the past two season they have haven't been that consistent...

That's part of the reason why SJF fans are so excited about Zemaitis, he has pretty good bloodlines and has been pretty productive when given the chance.  Here is a game by game list of the number of carries, yards and TDs for him: 5-11yds, 7-82-2, 12-37-1, 8-8-1, 18-178-5, 21-120-3...

The kid needs the ball, no more Senior politics and being all nice to make sure you don't hurt people's feelings. There is no reason why any other RB, except a blow out, should even be getting 10 carries with Zemaitis.  If you want to bring in other guys on 3rd down and other passing situations that's fine but hook the wagon up to the kid and see what he's got...

Oh, I know you don't upstate. I was responding to, I guess Tecmo's belief that SJF was sliding back in to mediocrity, which A) I don't think is true, but B) Given their previous heights and what we know about D 3 football as a whole, a backslide is not only understandable, but probably expected. It's not like you'll become Buffalo State or anything.

Your 7-8 wins with some ECAC/NCAA wins is exactly how I feel about IC football now. And, while maybe that's disappointing, I'll take it. Could be worse.

[boobyhasgameyo]

It's not even a matter of Fisher sliding back to mediocrity. Expecting a team to go 12-2 and to the NCAA semis every year is pretty unrealistic. So it's not like Fisher failing to do that is somehow a disappointment. Since when is there shame in going 8-2/7-3 every season? You know, like Ithaca's done since 1996...

Sure, if they go to 5-5, that'll be a shock, but uh, in case we haven't noticed, Ithaca's staring down the barrel of a 5-5 too. If Ithaca played Fisher's OOC schedule this season, they'd finish no better, and likely worse.

Welch has said this was his best recruiting class ever. Funny how that's turned into what could be his worst team ever. Granted, we won't fully see the results for a couple of years, but are any of those guys making any impact this season?

I never have those crazy high expectations of going to the Regional Finals year in and year out...

However I do expect them to get 7-8 wins regularly and sprinkle in some NCAA appearances with ECAC appearances...

Regarding recruiting, from 2001-2004 SJF had a stud freshman come in and make an impact.   Those kids were the corner stones of the program. Then they went on a drought from 2005-2008 and that's a big reason why the past two season they have haven't been that consistent...

That's part of the reason why SJF fans are so excited about Zemaitis, he has pretty good bloodlines and has been pretty productive when given the chance.  Here is a game by game list of the number of carries, yards and TDs for him: 5-11yds, 7-82-2, 12-37-1, 8-8-1, 18-178-5, 21-120-3...

The kid needs the ball, no more Senior politics and being all nice to make sure you don't hurt people's feelings. There is no reason why any other RB, except a blow out, should even be getting 10 carries with Zemaitis.  If you want to bring in other guys on 3rd down and other passing situations that's fine but hook the wagon up to the kid and see what he's got...

Oh, I know you don't upstate. I was responding to, I guess Tecmo's belief that SJF was sliding back in to mediocrity, which A) I don't think is true, but B) Given their previous heights and what we know about D 3 football as a whole, a backslide is not only understandable, but probably expected. It's not like you'll become Buffalo State or anything.

Your 7-8 wins with some ECAC/NCAA wins is exactly how I feel about IC football now. And, while maybe that's disappointing, I'll take it. Could be worse.

The lack of a superiority complex from an Ithaca poster is refreshing...+k

[fisheralum91]

wow tecmo-
didnt see the zemaitis jab coming.
oh well.
i am lookin forward to catching the game this saterday on my couch--looks like rain all day.

tecmo-at least bball starts next month--right?


kidding...sheesh you damn smiters

[SJFF82]

wow tecmo-
didnt see the zemaitis jab coming.
oh well.
i am lookin forward to catching the game this saterday on my couch--looks like rain all day.

tecmo-at least bball starts next month--right?


kidding...sheesh you damn smiters

cmon 91....I got the UC in my trunk.  See ya in the park and ride.