FB: Empire 8

[Jonny Utah]

Right, but I dont think most people think the other way around either.   That was my point.

The IC loss being more embarrassing was the only point I was trying to make.  Generally though, it isn't perceived that way.

It seemed like your point was that other people thought the loss was worse.  Which I still disagree with.  I think people were more shocked at the Ithaca score, even with the backup quarterback in the game.

[Yanks 99]

Right, but I dont think most people think the other way around either.   That was my point.

The IC loss being more embarrassing was the only point I was trying to make.  Generally though, it isn't perceived that way.

It seemed like your point was that other people thought the loss was worse.  Which I still disagree with.  I think people were more shocked at the Ithaca score, even with the backup quarterback in the game.

Injuries are part of the game...that QB had pretty much been playing for the last 6 games before then...including Cortaca.  You can't make excuses on that.  Wick gets ripped for giving up big points to Brockport...but no one mentions that Tomaino, the starting ILB, and the starting FS were out by the end of the first series...and they shouldn't.

I think people were shocked at the IC score...but no one really rubbed it in or gave them too much grief.  Wick got hammered.  There is absolutely no disputing that.  Personally, because of all the reasons that you gave, the IC loss to Curry, at home, is way more embarrassing.

[JQV]

Generally though, it isn't perceived that way.

By who?  Everyone keeps agreeing with you.  This argument is so confusing that I'd suspect 82/Ty was onto a third name if you hadn't been around before...

[Yanks 99]

Generally though, it isn't perceived that way.

By who?  Everyone keeps agreeing with you.  This argument is so confusing that I'd suspect 82/Ty was onto a third name if you hadn't been around before...

You are out of your mind if you think that most people feel the IC loss was worse.  Maybe they think that way, but that is not the way it is treated.

End of the day...who cares.  That's life.

[SJFF82]

Generally though, it isn't perceived that way.

By who?  Everyone keeps agreeing with you.  This argument is so confusing that I'd suspect 82/Ty was onto a third name if you hadn't been around before...

Ha...was just about to post..."The only thing this contorted conversation is missing is SJFF82"...then your post popped up...

[Jonny Utah]

Right, but I dont think most people think the other way around either.   That was my point.

The IC loss being more embarrassing was the only point I was trying to make.  Generally though, it isn't perceived that way.

It seemed like your point was that other people thought the loss was worse.  Which I still disagree with.  I think people were more shocked at the Ithaca score, even with the backup quarterback in the game.

Injuries are part of the game...that QB had pretty much been playing for the last 6 games before then...including Cortaca.  You can't make excuses on that.  Wick gets ripped for giving up big points to Brockport...but no one mentions that Tomaino, the starting ILB, and the starting FS were out by the end of the first series...and they shouldn't.

I think people were shocked at the IC score...but no one really rubbed it in or gave them too much grief.  Wick got hammered.  There is absolutely no disputing that.  Personally, because of all the reasons that you gave, the IC loss to Curry, at home, is way more embarrassing.

I dont care what games the qb played in.  Juvan was an all-american caliber quarterback, and he didnt play in the Curry game.  Im not going to sit here and tell you they would have won the game if Juvan played, and Im not going to sit here and tell you the Patriots would have been better last year with Brady instead of Matt Cassell.  But dont tell me it doesnt matter and its a part of the game.  Im not asking for a "what if" trophy, or a pat in the ass either, but injuries do effect teams and what they can do.

Rubbing it in or giving grief doesn't mean people are or are not shocked by something.  That may have something to do with the attitude of certain posters on post patterns.  I think you are getting the two confused.  There was some ball busting going on though, you can be sure of that.  I actually had to live with it!

[JQV]

You are out of your mind if you think that most people feel the IC loss was worse.  Maybe they think that way, but that is not the way it is treated.

End of the day...who cares.  That's life.

Are you on glue?  You are the only person that seems to treat it that way.  Stop debating yourself.  Are you Herschel Walker?*

*Gets in dig during Cocktail Party week.

[AUPepBand]

This has nothing to do with football, but anyone who's ever been to Mayberry will be interested to know that the Alfred Sports Center building, which included three small storefronts on Main Street and the liquor store on West University Street, burned to the ground this morning, the fire having been called in at about 6:30 a.m. Firefighters were successful in preventing the fire from spreading to the adjacent building that houses the Collegiate Restaurant.

The c. 1820s wood frame construction building included upstairs apartments where nine Alfred University students and two Alfred State College students resided. No one was hurt. All escaped the blaze but lost all their possessions.

Devastating loss for the Curran Family of Alfred, who at one time operated Happy Valley Ski Center and continues its "Skimeister" shop at the Swain Ski Center, the Currans only recently having moved all their ski merchandise to their shop at Swain. The business sold sporting goods but created a real niche with its t-shirt silk screen printing and printing of vinyl banners...where AU Pep Band had its banner made.

Anyone traveling near Alfred will be halted from proceeding up Main Street. The entire block is shut down at least for today.

[Yanks 99]

I actually think we are all agreeing on the same thing.

Personally though, I didn't see Juvan as an All-American caliber QB.  I thought he was very, very good...but not AA.  I don't think Fellicetti was named an AA...probably a fringe AA...and in my opinion he was light years better then Juvan.  I would have taken BY over Juvan as well.

[Yanks 99]

You are out of your mind if you think that most people feel the IC loss was worse.  Maybe they think that way, but that is not the way it is treated.

End of the day...who cares.  That's life.

Are you on glue?  You are the only person that seems to treat it that way.  Stop debating yourself.  Are you Herschel Walker?*

*Gets in dig during Cocktail Party week.

Yup totally glue sniffing here...

[SJFF82]

...will say this...Yanks99 is entirely correct and so is JU...


There is a double standard with IC.  Their history always trumps everyone's successes. So Wick gets beat up for losing to Curry and IC gets "shocked"  

JU is correct in that the IC loss was more "shocking", but his point is like someone argiung to him that "the Yankees have a good offense"  and his response being, "Yeh, but the Red Sox have better pitching"

He would be 100% correct in his assertions, but he changed the argument just to be correct.

Yanks' point has been consistently that IC got "embarrassed" not "shocked".  They got embarrassed and shocked, but in order to agree with Yanks, you must admit they got ashamed by Curry.

[Jonny Utah]

I actually think we are all agreeing on the same thing.

Personally though, I didn't see Juvan as an All-American caliber QB.  I thought he was very, very good...but not AA.  I don't think Fellicetti was named an AA...probably a fringe AA...and in my opinion he was light years better then Juvan.  I would have taken BY over Juvan as well.

Well I'll tell you this about Juvan.  He had some of the worst games Ive ever seen an Ithaca qb have, but he also had some of the best.  He improved 1000 percent from his first few games to his last few.  Fellicetti and Young were not as bad earlier on.  It took Juvan some time to get better, but I think his best was better than Fellicettis or Youngs best.  (I have to confess I saw a lot less of Young)

[Jonny Utah]

...will say this...Yanks99 is entirely correct and so is JU...


There is a double standard with IC.  Their history always trumps everyone's successes. So Wick gets beat up for losing to Curry and IC gets "shocked"  

JU is correct in that the IC loss was more "shocking", but his point is like someone argiung to him that "the Yankees have a good offense"  and his response being, "Yeh, but the Red Sox have better pitching"

He would be 100% correct in his assertions, but he changed the argument just to be correct.

Yanks' point has been consistently that IC got "embarrassed" not "shocked".  They got embarrassed and shocked, but in order to agree with Yanks, you must admit they got ashamed by Curry.

See I dont think this is a case where there is a double standard.  Ithaca being ranked in the top 25 preseason this year might be where there is a double standard, but losing to Curry wasnt.  And I dont base that on the history of the programs, I base that on what Ithaca did in 2008 and what Hartwick did in 2007.  Ithaca losing to anyone in the first round might have been a suprise, and thats only because they had such a great season.  Hartwick was not as impressive in 2007, so their loss was not as suprising...

Havent I just said that a few times?  Im not trying to erect some sort of strawman argument here, but it seems that yanks is making his own strawman and then yelling at everone else for knocking it down!

[dewcrew88]

Wouldn't the addition of Frostburg St and Salisbury St hurt the conference? It is almost as if a cupcake in Norwich leaves and two cupcakes arrive. Won't this allow for one less OOC game each year for the E8 as well?

Salisbury is not a cupcake.

[Yanks 99]

I think we both are then...I have been agreeing that we are agreeing for about the last 10 posts!!!

It's too bad you didn't see BY play as much as the others.  He was a hell of a player.